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Implementing ObamaCare: Price tag higher than earlier estimates (CGI Alone 290 million)
Washington Post ^ | 24 Oct 13, 1159 am | Juliet Epstein

Posted on 10/24/2013 10:05:34 AM PDT by xzins

Edited on 10/24/2013 10:06:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

But under questioning Thursday, Campbell said her company, CGI

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KEYWORDS: fiasco; healthgov; obamacare; website
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To: Mad Dawgg

Reports are that they did a stress test: It failed at a few hundred users and they turned it live anyways.


41 posted on 10/24/2013 3:14:08 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
"Reports are that they did a stress test: It failed at a few hundred users and they turned it live anyways."

In the real world the guy that made "THAT" particular decision would be fired.

But sense we are talking about the Gub'ment and Gub'ment contractors he will probably get a bonus.

42 posted on 10/24/2013 3:18:03 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: tacticalogic

I think the only good test is a true “trial run” by a portion of the real end users, using real data. That’s how they test a movie. They screen it before a real audience of potential viewers. They should’ve paid 100 actual citizens to log in at the same time and try to complete the Barrycare process. Of course, load-testing with really high numbers is harder to do and has to be simulated. But, they also should’ve done the testing a year ago, not the last week before the roll-out. That part should’ve been obvious...


43 posted on 10/24/2013 3:24:45 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: xzins

Why aren’t we pushing a constitutional amendment to ban single payer? We need amendments so that it’s not easy for the Dems to do this stuff if they happen to have one good election cycle. We could’ve had a pro-marriage amendment years ago to stop the judicial tyranny legalizing same-sex marriage everywhere, but we didn’t do that either.


44 posted on 10/24/2013 3:27:27 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones

Why don’t we have a constitutional amendment requiring a budget?

We used to argue over a “balanced budget” amendment. The truth is that there is NO constitutional requirement to have any kind of budget.

That should be fixed.

The government should not be permitted to operate and spend money on whim. Approve a trillion and then go spend it however. That should be a crime.


45 posted on 10/24/2013 3:42:33 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

True, but Travelocity doesn’t allow you to input your tax return data so that the gubmint can calculate if you “deserve” a subsidy on your tickets.


46 posted on 10/24/2013 3:59:08 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones

Not precisely so, but you can input credits, and that would be the basis of a similar kind of feedback loop.


47 posted on 10/24/2013 4:05:00 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

I do this kind of thing for a living.

That they tested this thing for a sum total of TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO LAUNCH is unfathomable.

An enterprise site like this should have been on code freeze in mid-spring, and they should’ve been running test cases on it and writing up bugs and fixes for it ever since.

The incompetence demonstrated here is truly mind-boggling.


48 posted on 10/24/2013 4:09:59 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: tacticalogic

I design online trading interactions for a living. Our business initiatives come to life via defined projects with budgets for each project. Approximately 30-40% of our total cost per project goes to QA. Our QA guys go bananas on our code for 2-3-4 months prior to launch, using tens of thousands of test cases and scripts; they write thousands of bugs, and right before release, for months, all we’re doing is bug fixes. If we get lucky, sometimes it’s only a month/six weeks.

They tested this ACA site for TWO WEEKS.

Holy Moses.


49 posted on 10/24/2013 4:17:43 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

If your company were writing this software what would they charge for it for a normal customer (let’s assume they didn’t know it was the federal government)?


50 posted on 10/24/2013 4:30:36 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
And it shouldn’t get past a Senate in which we have 46 Senators supposedly opposed to it.

Agree. It shouldn't.

But just how much do you trust McCain, Graham, Collins, Murkowski, McConnell, et al?

51 posted on 10/24/2013 4:55:47 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01

McConnell & Graham are the most controllable of the batch since Kentucky & S. Carolina are conservative states for the most part.

With something on the order of single-payer, I think they’d vote against direct communism/socialism.


52 posted on 10/24/2013 5:18:30 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Honestly, I’d have to see the specs before I figured out a price. And I’ve never worked for the government before, and I would assume doing so would have its own inherent costs.

That said, I’d estimate the front end work to be the easy part of the job. The UI itself is pretty simple. Most of the work would be on the back end, getting a middle layer to work between the DBs and the front end. But that’s the kind of thing we’re asked to do all the time - develop the proper data model, get good APIs, etc.

PMing, QA, testing, sandbox environments - all that happy horse shi’ite - this feels like a $10-50 million job for me, gut. In the $100 million range, I’d start to feel a bit like I was taking the government on a major ride. Over $650 million? You gotta be essing me. I wish I could convey to everyone here just how big of a sh*tbox the US taxpayer got for that kind of money: describing it as paying for a brand-new Ferrari and getting a Pontiac Aztec on blocks isn’t being outlandish enough.

I checked out some of the front end subcontractors. To an org, 100% left-wing advocacy online companies.


53 posted on 10/24/2013 5:31:19 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Thank you, HG. Extremely revealing post, imho, that should be it’s own thread. You might want to expand on it and turn it into a freeper editorial. If you do, ping me to it.

A few of us have been batting back and forth on this thread the idea that something like the Travelocity software could be adapted to the government and insurance company choices and prices. What do you think?


54 posted on 10/24/2013 5:43:07 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
something on the order of single-payer, I think they’d vote against direct communism/socialism.

I suspect you're right.

Actually, I'd suspect that McConnell can hold the GOP Senators together on a single-payer vote (with the possible exception of McCain -- who simply can't be counted upon).

55 posted on 10/24/2013 5:46:48 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01
I respect Senator McCain's time in service and the pain of his imprisonment. I don't mean this in the sense of questioning his loyalty, but I do think that prison is where he learned his beliefs about compromise.

I visited Hanoi about 3 years ago as part of a mission team, and I saw his prison cell. Terrible place. Also, exactly the wrong place to learn about cooperating to see the next sunrise. Innocent compromise really can be innocent in a setting like that, because you're just trying to stay alive. We were taught in the military that you will be broken and spill your guts, but we were told to do or say something that gives the slightest hint that it's under duress.

However, you cannot apply that lesson to your beliefs in a political setting. You are NOT under duress, no matter what you might be told by the media. The very worst they can do is talk about you. Because of that, real duress is only imaginary.

56 posted on 10/24/2013 5:58:06 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
Thanks for your insights. They lend understanding regarding McCain's make-up.

I share your respect for McCain's service. We all should.

However, he has given us no reason to respect his service in the Senate.

And, when the history of the current era is written, I would expect that Barack Obama's greatest accomplishment might be listed as "He kept John McCain from becoming President".

57 posted on 10/24/2013 6:32:43 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: MeshugeMikey

The calculation can be made but the only person who can do it is busy figuring out how many grains of sand are between the mean high and low tide lines on the Atlantic shores of North America.


58 posted on 10/26/2013 6:20:03 AM PDT by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: RipSawyer
my first.....Illustration of Obamacare

the Hope and Change Sideshow years before it went online






59 posted on 10/26/2013 6:27:15 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: JediJones

“Why aren’t we pushing a constitutional amendment to ban single payer?”
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Amendment X
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are
reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

There is nothing in the constitution that authorizes the federal government to have anything to do with health care or prohibits the states from regulating health care. This is being TOTALLY ignored, the problem is one of malice and no amendment will fix that. Additional amendments would simply give the corrupt courts additional waters in which to fish for exotic creatures like penumbras.

The tyrants in DC and even some on FR will say that it is all covered by the “commerce clause” or the “general welfare” clause but the founders did not spend months pondering the exact wording of a document and then throw in two clauses that essentially say “Go then and do whatever you wish” as some claim to believe. If you believe that is the case then obviously there was no point in any of the existing amendments, why labor to pass more amendments?

The worst suggestion heard recently is the call made by some people for a constitutional convention or “Con-Con” which would make the “Can-Can” look like a prayer meeting by comparison. No amendment should be considered in an era when the existing constitution is trampled in the dirt by the same people who would trample the new amendment in the dirt. Most Americans simply have no actual idea of what is contained in the existing constitution, they may think they do but much of what they believe is mistaken and that applies to the majority of judges who rule on the constitution. .


60 posted on 10/26/2013 6:54:26 AM PDT by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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