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Should We Live Shorter to Save the Planet?
The National Review's Human Exceptionalism ^ | October 10, 2013 | Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 10/11/2013 7:45:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Humans are the enemy! A new study published in Ecology and Society claims that longer life expectancy for us is bad news for the planet. From the study by Aaron Lotz and Craig R. Allen:

We found a positive relationship between life expectancy and the percentage of endangered and invasive species in a country…The overall trend in high-income countries with improvements to the Human Development Index, which includes human life expectancy as one of its variables, is toward a disproportionately larger negative impact on a country’s ecological footprint. However, some lower-income countries have a high level of development without a high impact on ecosystem services (Moran et al. 2008).

Increased life expectancy means that people live longer and affect the planet longer; each year is another year of carbon footprint, ecological footprint, use of natural resources, etc. The magnitude of this impact is increased as more people live longer.

Bad humans! Bad, bad humans.

The answer is supposedly–it’s becoming a cliché–that we see ourselves as just part of nature:

Fischer et al. (2012) propose a “transformation strategy” that assumes that direct links between people and nature are better than indirect links. This paradigm shift would recouple the social-ecological system.

Wrong. We are the exceptional species. The environment benefits most when we see that it is our duty to manage the environment responsibly because we are human. If we redefine ourselves as just another animal in the forest, that’s just how we will act.

The authors don’t say whether we should try and live shorter lives. But that certainly seems an implication.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: climatechange; environmentalism; gates; genocide; gmo; humans; nwo; obamacare
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That's their endgame.
1 posted on 10/11/2013 7:45:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m only 5’-8’.

Let the true believers ‘live shorter.’


2 posted on 10/11/2013 7:47:49 PM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well... as long as we keep aborting babies and having wars, then those of us still alive deserve to have long life spans.

If we could have some large scale disaster or event (comet strike) , then the survivors could live forever and not harm the planet.


On a more serious note... the planet doesn’t need saving. It’s been here billions of years and ‘life’ has been wiped out many times in the past. It’s US we need to save, not the planet.


3 posted on 10/11/2013 7:50:56 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dear Wesley J. Smith:

You go first.

4 posted on 10/11/2013 7:51:52 PM PDT by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT! : $70 TRILLION unfunded...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not voluntarily


5 posted on 10/11/2013 7:51:57 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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6 posted on 10/11/2013 7:52:07 PM PDT by xp38
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s good advice for Liberals.


7 posted on 10/11/2013 7:53:29 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Assuming the planet needs and could be “saved”, living shorter won’t make much difference. Low populations tend to lead to population explosions like after the black death wiping out much of the world.


8 posted on 10/11/2013 7:54:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Logan’s run https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=947&q=logans+run&oq=logans+run&gs_l=img.3..0l3j0i10l2j0j0i10l2j0j0i10.580.3271.0.3550.10.9.0.1.1.0.83.631.9.9.0....0...1ac.1.28.img..0.10.638.9DY_Cm6a0Sg#facrc=0%3Blogans%20run%20hand&imgdii=_&imgrc=_


9 posted on 10/11/2013 7:56:36 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This should be an argument for the greenies to oppose immigration, but of course, like the feminists, their first allegiance is to the liberal plantation.


10 posted on 10/11/2013 7:57:37 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: citizen

I’m only 5’2”, but I drive a big sport ute to make up the difference in my carbon footprint.


11 posted on 10/11/2013 7:58:31 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ha...we all going sooner anyway....the next ice age is due to start in 2016 with the absence of sunspots.


12 posted on 10/11/2013 7:59:42 PM PDT by spokeshave (While Zero plays silly card games like Spades - Putin plays for keeps.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m all for any Libtard that wants to exit NOW to save the planet...


13 posted on 10/11/2013 7:59:57 PM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Liz; ...
RE : “Should We Live Shorter to Save the Planet?”

That is the one thing that would save SS and medicare.

Back in the 1990s on this Week ABC George Will debated Sam Donaldson on the new smoking laws.

Clinton was claiming that smoking cost billions of $$$ in medical tax $$$, \
George Will counters with “Where will all the $$$ come from to pay them SS and medicare all those extra years they will live if they give up smoking?”

Sam replies “WE will find it someplace” (taxpayers)

I know, I am blowing the theme of this , bad SOL LOL.

14 posted on 10/11/2013 8:00:02 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Logan’s run?

“All 30 yr olds please report to carousel”


15 posted on 10/11/2013 8:00:31 PM PDT by Bullish (The only real solution is to abolish liberal democrats forever)
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To: sportutegrl

hehe Drive on!


16 posted on 10/11/2013 8:01:05 PM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: citizen
I'm 6-3, 275 lbs. I dare anyone to try to make me "live shorter".

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

17 posted on 10/11/2013 8:04:21 PM PDT by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just tell the Left-wingers who believe this stuff that the trick isn’t to shorten everyone’s life, but to extinguish the lives of those peoples who contribute nothing to society.


18 posted on 10/11/2013 8:04:28 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All liberals may now jump off the cliff to save the planet!..thank you libs!


19 posted on 10/11/2013 8:06:38 PM PDT by Route395
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My answer is always the same to these loons.

I offer them a knife and remind them that it is "Down the street not across the road."

Have yet to have one take me up on my offer. How odd.

20 posted on 10/11/2013 8:06:42 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We should live longer and leave the planet....

Let the Commies stay on earth, we will conquer the stars


21 posted on 10/11/2013 8:09:57 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Leftists should go first.


22 posted on 10/11/2013 8:10:12 PM PDT by Rocky (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwell)
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23 posted on 10/11/2013 8:12:52 PM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t this what AHA is for?


24 posted on 10/11/2013 8:13:10 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I recall an episode of Star Trek where residents of a planet fought a war with another planet by computer simulated attacks. "Casualties" were selected by the computer and were required to report to disintegration modules to be terminated. I suppose that technology could be adopted by the environmental wackos.
25 posted on 10/11/2013 8:13:25 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: spokeshave; 2ndDivisionVet
the next ice age is due to start in 2016 with the absence of sunspots.

Sunspots are actually areas where the temperature is lower than normal. So... absence of sunspots means that the overall surface of the Sun is brighter(and hotter).

That being said, it's not the sunspots that cause the changes in Earth's 'climate'.

26 posted on 10/11/2013 8:13:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s right. Their endgame is the extinction of mankind.


27 posted on 10/11/2013 8:16:44 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: spokeshave

I wonder how many folks have any idea of what that graph means. If we have a cool or cold period like the Maunder Minimum, we will lose plenty of population. If it goes further into a nice age, which we are overdue for, the earth will have no human population problem to speak of.


28 posted on 10/11/2013 8:16:51 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1
If it goes further into a nice age, which we are overdue for, the earth will have no human population problem to speak of.

We'll do fine. Neanderthals and Cro Magnons managed it with bone, stone, and stick technology. I suspect we could even find a way to melt glaciers if it became a matter of survival.
29 posted on 10/11/2013 8:27:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: UCANSEE2

“So... absence of sunspots means that the overall surface of the Sun is brighter(and hotter).”

Sunspots are an indicator of increased solar activity. Yes, the inside of a sunspot is cooler, but the cause of them is intense magnetic storms. The more sunspots the more bright flares and increased particle output, also average brightness goes up.

During the Maunder Minimum, there were practically no sunspots and here we called it “the little ice age”. The Dalton Minimum also had cooler earth temperatures.

Sunspots peak with increased solar output. We live near a variable star!


30 posted on 10/11/2013 8:28:44 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

wow.

These people are anti-human


31 posted on 10/11/2013 8:30:00 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: The Great RJ

More likely, something like “The Family”, where people are terminated around age 62 or 65. It makes room for the younger ones, eliminates those with memories of a different world and can be held up as saving the environment and health care costs.


32 posted on 10/11/2013 8:34:00 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: citizen

Roger that. In fact, it’s their duty to remove themselves from the equation and cancel their carbon footprint. for the sake of the planet. See ya. Buh bye. Adios. (Or whatever you believe in, say gaia.)


33 posted on 10/11/2013 8:34:04 PM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Living Shorter-

We are here to save your planet.


34 posted on 10/11/2013 8:36:48 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We should help environmentalists make compost to protect the planet.


35 posted on 10/11/2013 8:39:31 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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36 posted on 10/11/2013 8:40:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DBrow

Bottom line, we agree that it’s not the sunspot, but the flares and MCE’s that arise around and between them.


37 posted on 10/11/2013 8:41:18 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

liberals first!


38 posted on 10/11/2013 8:45:49 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

> Just tell the Left-wingers who believe this stuff that the trick isn’t to shorten everyone’s life, but to extinguish the lives of those peoples who contribute nothing to society.

I like the way you think...: )


39 posted on 10/11/2013 8:46:51 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; a fool in paradise

40 posted on 10/11/2013 8:48:03 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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41 posted on 10/11/2013 8:49:31 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I used to ask my leftist sister if she agree with the Voluntary Himan Extinction Program. She didn’t know what I was talking about.


42 posted on 10/11/2013 8:50:22 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Death-cult lefties should practice what they preach.


43 posted on 10/11/2013 8:52:31 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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Yes, but they never do


44 posted on 10/11/2013 8:56:03 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: citizen

I guess I care about the planet more than you, since I am shorter.


45 posted on 10/11/2013 8:56:59 PM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (Tea Party Anarchists? Freedom = Anarchy to communists.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If that’s what they want, how about we start with them? They go first.


46 posted on 10/11/2013 8:57:31 PM PDT by lu shissler (ecause)
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To: citizen

oops! I guess I mistook your comment. Oh well!


47 posted on 10/11/2013 8:59:48 PM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (Tea Party Anarchists? Freedom = Anarchy to communists.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Humans are only the enemy if you are satan; he was livid that God gave us souls.


48 posted on 10/11/2013 9:03:57 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Bullish

Whew! Missed it by 5 years.


49 posted on 10/11/2013 9:08:43 PM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (Tea Party Anarchists? Freedom = Anarchy to communists.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hell NO!!!


50 posted on 10/11/2013 9:10:14 PM PDT by dalereed
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