Posted on 09/25/2013 7:18:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Edited on 09/25/2013 7:31:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Neither health care or insurance are enumerated powers for the central government to be involved in or control. Period. They are clearly reserved to the states and the people by the constitution. Doesn't matter how poor people are or how sick. The federal government has no constitutional power to intervene.
The democrats can rant and rave and present millions of sob stories about sick people, but that does not change the constitution. We're now going to have millions of sob stories from closed businesses, from people who lose their jobs, from people who have their hours and pay reduced and lose access to healthcare altogether. Obamacare will cause more damage to the free economy and cause more people to lose their healthcare than who gain. All while increasing the costs and reducing quality and eventually bankrupting the insurance companies. It's impossible for free enterprise to succeed in a socialist environment with government subsidies. You're going to have one or the other. Socialism or freedom.
Obamacare is spread-the-wealth-around Marxism (socialism). We're going to take from those who have and give to those who don't. And many of those you take it from will lose all. If self-employed, many will lose their business or can't grow their business. Many of the currently employed will lose pay, lose jobs, lose their homes, lose their families and lose their healthcare.
Most of those who receive healthcare under this socialist program will remain poor. They won't get a job. They won't build a business. They won't get an education. They will remain on the government dole. They and their children will remain dependent on the government plantation, many times generation after generation. Socialism promotes long-term poverty and dependence.
Socialist healthcare will destroy the healthcare industry. Sorry, democrats, but profit makes the world go 'round. Remove the profit motive by controlling payments for services, you cut the quality of service. Just a given. Dump a flood of millions of additional patients into a declining industry, you get scarcity, delay, reduced quality, rationing, and eventually death panels. It happens in every country that tries it. Just a fact of life.
The socialist Obamacare does not improve any problem. It makes it worse. Would be far better to abide by the constitution and keep the feds out. The constitution leaves healthcare to the states and the people. If there are any federal laws restricting free trade in healthcare, they should be stricken from the books. Let the states and insurance companies compete nationwide. Get a handle on the ambulance chasers and the lawsuit shakedown industry. Offer some sort of incentive for personal healthcare accounts. Work with states and local governments to build charity hospitals and walk-in clinics for the poor. The poor and or uninsurable should not be turned away, but we shouldn't shred our constitution or turn our entire society upside down to insure them either. Healthcare for the poor or sick who cannot possibly pay has always been funded by charity or local governments and that's the way it should be. If the feds would keep its nose out of affairs where it has no constitutional authority, there might be more room for state and local governments and charities to pick up the slack.
Furthermore, Obamacare destroys the constitutional limits on government. It sets the SCOTUS approved precedent that there are no limits whatsoever on what the government can force on the people, nor any individual right that cannot be violated, nor any states right that cannot be violated. The central government is all powerful. That's totally upside down and inside out.
And it also eliminates the separation of powers. It allows the president and the SCOTUS to rewrite legislation without congressional input or approval.
It in fact, nullifies our constitution and bill of rights and turns America into a benevolent dictatorship.
With Obamacare’s impact on the family budget, we will see families defaulting on their mortgages, thrown out of their homes and children deserted by their parents. It will put parents in a corner and they will do things they would never think of doing to survive. It’s going to get scary.
The main purpose of obamacare is to bankrupt the lower and middle classes and make them beholden to the government for food, housing, clothing, etc.
Whatever it was that got Judge Roberts to change his mind at the last minute must have been something that would destroy him — maybe about his adopted children?
Because of THAT we get obamacare?!
>>>It in fact, nullifies our constitution and bill of rights and turns America into a benevolent dictatorship.<<<
I love you like a brother, my friend, but believing in the benevolence of the incipient dictatorship is misplaced optimism. God help us, Jim.
Thanks. And, yes, this single SCOTUS ruling for obamacare, if allowed to proceed and is not overturned, basically ends all of our God-given. constitutionally protected individual rights. We no longer have religious freedom or privacy rights or economic freedom. The government can now force its way on us at will. And snoop into our most intimate private records and private medical care. And it can allow the federal government to overturn state law and ORDER the states to do its bidding.
The “benevolence” is make believe. He’s doing it for our own good. For the betterment of society, etc.
> I don’t have your faith in the power of sweet reason. I think the only thing that will work is what Jim described: We’re now going to have millions of sob stories from closed businesses, from people who lose their jobs, from people who have their hours and pay reduced and lose access to healthcare altogether.
I predict some changes to address the worst cases. Then the cases that used to be second-worst are now the worst, and they get addressed. Eventually someone wins an election on a platform of “end Obamacare as we know it” and, after much time, repeal-and-replace becomes a reality.
that’s assuming that all that follow the One are unreasonable people. Many are; we all have seen episodes that have proved that but there are segments of the population that are starting to feel the heat because of his horrible economic policies. While I agree with most of what you say but I think prople begin to get a lot more “reasonable” and open to discussion when their world starts crumbling (which for many is, right now). Anything that assists people in understanding the ramifications of Obamacare and helps them come to the conclusion that they’ve been conned is a good thing IMHO.
Blah blah blah. More worthless preaching to the choir.
Preaching to the choir won’t change anything. Zerocare will go forward, you’ll all knuckle under and buy your zerocare insurance, pay those premiums, and put up with it. You’ll whine about it, but you won’t do anything about it.
Exposing the truth and preaching to the choir is not fighting for freedom. Whining on boards like this is not fighting for freedom. It’s just talk, and talk accomplishes nothing.
Nobody in power cares about the constitution anymore because nobody in power will hold them to it. It’s SCOTUS’s job, and they’ve abdicated that job. Half the justices are flaming liberals and the other half are gutless conservatives. Zerocare could easily have been ruled unconstitutional in several ways, but what did SCOTUS do? They figured out how to make it seem constitutional. Not one single state supreme court has ruled zerocare unconstitutional, and none will.
The constitutional battle is lost. It’s been lost a long time. Viewing things against the constitution is a waste of time. It’s an argument nobody in power listens to nor cares about. It really is “beating a dead horse”.
A physical bullets flying revolution is the only thing that would “take the government back” now, and it won’t happen.
So suck it up and get used to living in the new communism overtaking America.
WHAT YOU SAID!
dude, I don’t get, nor do I care what your major malfunction is, but I’ll tell you this, you damned surrender monkey, I’m not going to knuckle under as you suggest, so GFY.
Oh yeah,
IBTZ
well, bye.
Thanks, Mr. Soros, but no thanks.
(cue the happy dance lady)
Agree with you JR, but govt already controls 46% of healthcare in the US (medicare, medicaid, veterans, fed employees).
The horse has left the barn on this one.
We have had his number since he was a state senator voting “present.”
I just wish that I knew how most of “our” guys, Pubbies, got turned. Or perhaps, the
GOP got infiltrated just like every other important, influential institution in our country.
The propaganda force is strong with these congressmen, with notable exceptions.
He certainly didn’t pledge his life, his fortune, or his “sacred” honor, now *did* he...
One man, John Roberts, sacrificed his entire country for the sake of himself, his career, and his family.
He is beneath contempt.
Can you tell that I’m no longer a fan?
Freedom is not free bump.
That’s what Jim is saying. It has to go back to the states, per the Constitution.
There is nothing in the Constitution allowing the FedGov monster to meddle in our healthcare.
Hi Sarge! Nice to see you.
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