Posted on 09/20/2013 4:29:03 AM PDT by spirited irish
That doesn’t fit any definition of “conservative” I’ve ever seen. Are you wanting to create a new definition?
That doesn’t fit any definition of “conservative” I’ve ever seen. Are you wanting to create a new definition?
Words mean things.. “conservative” ALWAYS means not radical..
which is the point..
NOT sometimes or most of time or by and large.. BUT ALWAYS..
LIKE; liberalism is always radical.. and never progressive..
A major tactical victory converting a radical ideology(liberalism) to be seen as “progressive”..
A major “DELUSION”... as I mentioned in an earlier post..
To be a republican “IS TO BE” deluded..
Thats why liberals are so successful.. republicans are bewitched by words..
Liberals lie and could care less about words thats why conservative logic is wasted on them..
They are indeed “the BORG”... mechanical in the collective..
Anarchists in degrees.. its simple for them, protect the HIVE...
not a lot of thinking going on...with the drones...
It always means opposed to change, preserving traditional systems and values.
In order to take down and overthrow an oppressive established political system, our nations founders forged a political coalition that it was agreed to by all should not and could not be allowed to be divided by religious differences. That is our tradition.
Nice except.... except its not about religion its about tribes.. religious or not..
You know tribes, mobs, minorities and majorities, smart and dumb, rich and poor....
Which is WHY they wrote the Constitution down so it could be followed..
The words democratic and democracy not mentioned one time in it.. ON PURPOSE.. anywhere...
They knew something almost all republicans DO NOT know.. and ALL democrats...
Democracy sucks.. it's nasty... not a scintilla of value anywhere in it..
Not only that it's a lie... no democracy has even been democratic.. it's bait and switch.. a scam..
Decent people spit when they hear the word democracy.. indecent people DON'T..
What dictionary are you using that makes heresy about tribes and not religion?
What dictionary are you using that makes heresy about tribes and not religion?
Heresy does not exist.. except in the minds of a self appointed elite..
Its a bully word.. used by bullies..
Has no effect on the courageous and those with a pure heart..
Tribes are usually controlled by bullies..
Nice thing that “God” can be you’re invisible friend..
and you can have a religion with one member..
God is a groovey,,, ugh... guy!..
Like Linda Kimball?
Like Linda Kimball?
No... Linda has her own 2nd reality others have theirs..
No need to agree on everything.. nobody is perfect..
What 2nd reality do you live?...
Gonna try out some Standpoint Theory on us? Good luck with that.
Gonna try out some Standpoint Theory on us? Good luck with that.
I have no need to penetrate your 2nd reality...
mine is quite good enough..
Weapons grade drivel.
Weapons grade drivel.
Glad you liked it..
“ONCE property was allowed to be taxed.. the government owned everything..”
Spirited: Preceding government take-over of temporal property is negation of spiritual property via natural science (empiricism, reductionism-—all that exists is nature) and philosophically materialist Darwinism (all that exists is matter, thus man is nothing more than an aggregate of matter in human form):
“The irony is devastating. The main purpose of Darwinism was to drive every last trace of an incredible God from
biology. But the theory replaces God with an even more incredible deity – omnipotent chance....” (T. Rosazak, Unfinished Animal, pp. 101-102, 1975)
If God does not exist, then man is less than nothing, and this is the main thrust of Isaiah’s warning to both ancient and modern rebels against God Almighty Creator of Heaven and earth and all who adhere to their destructive teachings:
“Behold, you are of nothing, and your work of that which hath no being: he that hath chosen you is an abomination.” Isaiah 41:24
I have not refused to answer any question that BroJoeK has put to me. I LOVE it when people ask me questions! I wish more people would do it!!!
If I might have missed a question, or inadvertently overlooked one, I heartily invite BroJoeK to ask me the question again.
FWIW, I am not anti-science. I am not anti-evolution. (I do believe in evolution. I just think that evolution of the Darwinian type is pretty lame. In fact, I have some doubt that it is science at all.)
Like you, dear YHAOS, "my main objection is to Scientists of an Atheist persuasion, primarily if not entirely, who misrepresent themselves as speaking authoritatively, not personally, that Science proves God does not exist...."
Thank you so much for writing, dear brother in Christ!
BroJoeK: Despite your gaggle of sycophants here, it's pretty obvious to me that yours is the polluted and depraved conscience of a committed sophist, intent on destroying all philosophical connections between your personal theology and any other discipline — i.e., science.
Dear BroJoeK, I gather you hold in contempt spirited irish's concerns, that she is a religious wing-nut who has worked to gather about herself a crowd of like-minded "sycophants." I find it funny how incensed some of our correspondents on this thread are that Linda Kimball's "Falling Stars, Damnable Heresy, and the Spirit of Evolution" article has not been removed to the Religion Forum. (It continues to sit here on News/Activism, as far as I can tell.)
But if I understand it correctly, this article is not "about religion." It's about the degradation of human culture and civilization ever since the Enlightenment, and its impact on the American order of liberty and equal justice.
Thomas Sowell opened his NY Post op-ed this past Saturday (November 30, p. 21) with these lines:
Many people take pride in defying the conventions of society. Those conventions of society are also known as civilization. Defying them wholesale means going back to barbarism. Barbarians with electronic devices are still barbarians.That's sort of how I see things. I suspect that spirited irish sees it that way, too.
Having read your profile page and noted your expressed sympathy for the values and principles of the Framers, and your statement that you are "here to defend an original constitutionalist interpretation of history," it is a real puzzle to me that you seem at the same time to want to undermine the very cultural foundation of American order: Which is that we are a people under God, from whom we have received fundamental, unalienable rights that no State of whatever form may infringe or deny. The people do not exist for the State; the State exists for the people; and its mandate is very narrow.
Power really is a zero-sum game. The State can aggrandize itself only by taking away the liberties of the people. If people don't defend their liberty against State encroachment, then very soon they will lose it altogether.
All in hopes of installing an "ideal State," a/k/a a humanly-ordained progressive utopia entirely run by "experts" (usually for their own benefit and the benefit of their friends), that will signal the "End of History" — as Hegel put it.
Possibly you will deny having done this. You would argue, "I'm only here to defend science against the "anti-science crowd" out there. (Who you classify mainly as religious fanatics.)
You allege you have never seen anyone around FR beat up on a Christian. Jeepers, guy — you've been here about 9 years now, and you can say that with a straight face?
In any case, I do hope you and yours had a wonderful Thanksgiving! Sorry my reply to your last is so tardy, but I've been away the past several days.
Thank you for writing, dear BroJoeK!
Kind of breath taking, isn't it?
I continue to be amazed what people will say with a straight face.
Oh, it's amazing alright. And yet, if our BroJoeK needed proof of what I claim, he could start by reading his own posts.
Thanks so much for writing, dear sister in Christ!
It really is about religion, and apparently it's become necessary to try to obfuscate that fact.
betty: But if I understand it correctly, this article is not “about religion.” It’s about the degradation of human culture and civilization ever since the Enlightenment, and its impact on the American order of liberty and equal justice.
Spirited: Thank-you betty.
With respect to our Constitutional Republic, belief in the Biblical Creator, Jesus Christ, His crucifixion and resurrection, Original Sin, the creator-creature distinction, man as the Triune God’s spiritual image-bearer endowed with spiritual property, Moral Law, and other Biblical institutions and principles are the “glue” that has held America together — religiously, morally, authoritatively, nationally, culturally, and economically — since this nation’s founding.
From the dawn of history, when a people have lost faith in or otherwise willfully rejected their deity, the fate of that society has been dissolution and death, generally at the hands of invading barbarians. In America’s case, the invading barbarians are the product of our own corrupt education establishment.
Speaking through his character the Madman, the dark prophet Nietzsche announced the “death of God.” Dubbing himself the Antichrist, Nietzsche proclaimed:
“The greatest recent event — that ‘God is dead,’ that the belief in the Christian God has ceased to be believable — is even now beginning to cast its first shadows over Europe; however, few really understood “ what has really happened here, “and what must collapse now that this belief has been undermined — all that was built upon it, leaned on it, grew into it; for example, our whole European morality.” (False Dawn, Lee Penn, p. 433)
Like a vast ebon wing, the “death of God” overshadows America with an impenetrable shroud of practical atheism, moral imbecility and sophistry, increasing lawlessness and barbarism.
The death of the Christian God demands erasure of the Creator-creature distinction; rejection of the miraculous, literal and historical elements of Scripture with a priori rejection of the Genesis account ex nihilo together with hostility toward and outright hatred of orthodox (non-liberal) Christians, Christian symbols, traditions, and holidays, as well as the America of the Founders, for in the words of Nietzsche, all of this “must collapse now that this belief has been undermined.”
The rejection of the Christian God means that increasing numbers of Americans have themselves become in essence little gods. In practical terms, this means America is no longer a monotheistic society but a polytheistic one in much the same way that India is with its’ millions of gods and goddesses. Each little god and his cult followers (special rights groups) demand their “rights” according to what they most covet. Will-to-power, or might-makes-right has become the way of life here.
America will eventually collapse, and out of its ashes will arise a Caesar more terrible than any of his predecessors and a global occult pantheist Moloch state; Hunger Games writ large:
“While relatively little is known of Moloch, much more is known of the concept of divine kingship, the king as god, and the god as king, as the divine-human link between heaven and earth. The god-king represented man on a higher (evolved) scale, man ascended, and the worship of such a god, i.e., of such a Baal, was the assertion of the continuity of heaven and earth. It was the belief that all being was one being (pantheist monism), and the god therefore was an ascended man on that scale of being. The power manifested in the political order was thus a manifestation or apprehension and seizure of divine power. It represented the triumph of a man (i.e., Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Obama) and of his people (i.e., Marxist Communists, National Socialists, progressive liberals). Moloch worship was thus a political religion (i.e., Marxism, Progressivism, Fascism, occult New Age)....Moloch worship was thus state worship. The state was the true and ultimate order, and religion was a department of the state. The state claimed total jurisdiction over man (necessitating mind-control, propaganda, re-education, sex education, concentration camps); it was therefore entitled to total sacrifice.” (Rousas Rushdoony cited in “The Antichrist,” by Vincent P. Miceli, S.J., pp. 246, 247; emphasis added)
The pagan theocratic state freely took the lives of its children — and adults for that matter — as necessary sacrifices to the god of the state. The Soviet Union was a secularized-pantheist Moloch state. Its so-called “scientific socialism” was a Gnostic pagan religion of state worship grounded in evolutionary dialectical materialism—revamped and revised animism updated for modern Western tastes. The Soviet Moloch State brutally murdered over 60,000,000 men, women, and children in pursuit of an ideal society.
When the true God is banished from man’s society, into the resulting vacuum rush new gods, madness, the dehumanization of mankind, staggering cruelty and occultism.
Even now, contemporary Americans are rushing headlong into the occult: Wicca, Satanism, goddess worship, shamanism, pyramid building, UFO obsession and interaction, necromancy, channeling, spirit guides, Transcended Masters and ghost-hunting for example.
These spiritist activities bring about a revival of the politics of ancient paganism resulting in the development of a divine state based on a Hermetic-theology of “as above, so below,” that is, on the denial of the Creator-creature distinction:
“The Moloch state simply represents the supreme effort of man to command the future, to predestine the world, and to be as God (by way of) divination, spirit-questing, magic and witchcraft (all of these spiritist efforts) represent efforts to have the future on other than God’s terms, to have a future apart from and in defiance of God. They are assertions that the world is not of God but of brute factuality, and that man can somehow master the world and the future by going directly to the raw materials thereof.” (ibid, The Antichrist)
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