CRUZ releases birth certificate

Dallas Morning News ^ | 8-18-13 | Todd Gillman

[praytell]

WASHINGTON — Born in Canada to an American mother, Ted Cruz became an instant U.S. citizen. But under Canadian law, he also became a citizen of that country the moment he was born.

Unless the Texas Republican senator formally renounces that citizenship, he will remain a citizen of both countries, legal experts say.

That means he could assert the right to vote in Canada or even run for Parliament. On a lunch break from the U.S. Senate, he could head to the nearby embassy — the one flying a bright red maple leaf flag — pull out his Calgary, Alberta, birth certificate and obtain a passport.

[frog in a pot]

"I am sure that you know..."

Well, you got that part correct. However, since you want to make shame a part of this dialog, lets look at the rest of your defective argument.

Article II: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution...

My query expressly referred to a child sired by an Englishman at a point in time after adoption of the Constitution, for the sole purpose of avoiding the issue you try to raise (I was tempted to refer to the War of 1812 to underscore my point).

[rxsid]

From the article:

"Unless the Texas Republican senator formally renounces that citizenship, he will remain a citizen of both countries, legal experts say.

That means he could assert the right to vote in Canada or even run for Parliament. On a lunch break from the U.S. Senate, he could head to the nearby embassy — the one flying a bright red maple leaf flag — pull out his Calgary, Alberta, birth certificate and obtain a passport.

“He’s a Canadian,” said Toronto lawyer Stephen Green, past chairman of the Canadian Bar Association’s Citizenship and Immigration Section.

The circumstances of Cruz’s birth have fueled a simmering debate over his eligibility to run for president. Knowingly or not, dual citizenship is an apparent if inconvenient truth for the tea party firebrand, who shows every sign he’s angling for the White House.

He was born with dual citizenship, and therefore dual allegiance. He owed allegience to a foreign power until such time as he lost or renounced his born with foreign citizenship.

It could very well be, that Sen. Cruz is trying to take this issue to the national stage by getting the drive by media to talk about dual citizenship.

If he is sucessfully in doing that, he will be doing this country a great favor.

Because then, Obama's born with dual citizenship and therefore dual allegience owed comes in to question.

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?

To which can now be added...

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY CANADA?

[rxsid]

"Since the Constitution states in Article 1 Section 8 as one of the powers of congress is to establish the rules of naturalization."

Think about what you just wrote. Which is correct.

Naturalization.

Do you think "naturalized" citizen = "natural born" citizen?

[Nero Germanicus]

I’m supporting the eligibility of Senator Ted Cruz to be on the ballot in either the presidential or vice-presidential slot against Hillary Clinton or any other Democrat. In case you hadn’t noticed, Obama is ineligible to run in 2016.

[Mr. Jeeves]

He should have described it as a “Presidential Candidate Standard Disclosure Package.” :)

[NELSON111]

And I've said this before:

I really doubt that what the framers had in mind was to make the children of soldiers serving in Germany ineligible.

There are a lot of kids born on US military bases to US citizen parents...and born in hospitals of foreign countries...and I really doubt the intentions of the framers was to say they couldn't one day be president.

[taxcontrol]

Rules of naturalization means ALL RULES - including those who do need to be naturalized and those that don’t (natural born citizens). The first expression of that authority was the Naturalization Act of 1790 in which you will find the exact term “natural born citizen”.

[Ray76]

Cruz acquired citizenship derivatively through his US citizen parent by operation of law Pub. L. 82-414 § 301(a)(7), the citizenship was temporary and conditional, for citizenship to be retained actions must be taken per Pub. L. 82-414 § 301(b).

By operation of these statutes Cruz is in law “citizen”.

See 66 Stat. 163, 236

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/citation2.result.STATUTE.action?statute.volume=66&statute.pageNumber=163&publication=STATUTE

[rxsid]

"Rules of naturalization means ALL RULES - including those who do need to be naturalized and those that don’t (natural born citizens). The first expression of that authority was the Naturalization Act of 1790 in which you will find the exact term “natural born citizen”."

Naturalization rules apply to natural born Citizens?

You've got some twisted logic there.

Is the Nat Act of 1790 still in force?

Why did they repeal it 5 years later with that languange removed, if they had the authority?

[Nero Germanicus]

Purpura & Moran v. Obama: New Jersey Administrative Law Judge Jeff S. Masin: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.” April 10, 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/88936737/2012-04-10-NJ-Purpura-Moran-v-Obama-Initial-Decision-of-ALJ-Masin-Apuzzo

[Ray76]

Don’t forget the part about “being a free white person” - that must still be in force too, right?

[tacticalogic]

Naturalization rules apply to natural born Citizens?

Technically, the Founders and their contemporaries were not natural born citizens. The United States did not exist when they were born.

[Cold Case Posse Supporter]

I think Ted Cruz has secretly met with Mike Zullo of Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse to discuss strategy on getting this issue to the forefront and the media is falling for it.

[DiogenesLamp]

This was later clarified (by Congress) to require only one US citizen parent who has lived in the US for the required number of years.

Clarified? Next thing we know they are gonna "clarify" 11 million illegals into "natural born citizens."

The Constitution specifically grants in Article 1 section 8 the power to Congress to make the rules of naturalization.

And once more, you are going to cite the power to "Naturalize" in an effort to prove that someone is a "natural citizen." ?

You are advocating a theory that leaves the meaning permanently open ended. In other words, it means whatever congress says it means. That is nonsense. It has a fixed meaning that was understood in 1787 and cannot be changed by Congress by passing a law.

[rxsid]

What’s the point of posting that New Jersey Administrative Law Judge’s opinion?

[rxsid]

"Technically, the Founders and their contemporaries were not natural born citizens. The United States did not exist when they were born. "

Of course. Which is why they grandfathered themselves in. Right? Otherwise, there would be no eligible citizens until 1811.

[rxsid]

"Technically, the Founders and their contemporaries were not natural born citizens. The United States did not exist when they were born. "

Of course. Which is why they grandfathered themselves in. Right? Otherwise, there would be no eligible citizens until 1811.

[Jeff Winston]

The author lied to the readers. Ted Cruz DID NOT immediately become a U.S. citizen at birth. His parents or he had to APPLY to the U.S. Secretary of State for approval of a request to claim U.S. citizenship. Consequently, Ted Cruz is a U.S. citizen upon approval of the U.S. State Department, and he is not a “naural born citizen” of the United States.

Sorry, but you are ABSOLUTELY AND CATEGORICALLY WRONG.

Persons born to US citizens abroad are United States citizens AT BIRTH, and before any documentation of the fact is ever issued. Just like persons born in the United States are citizens AT BIRTH and before they receive official documentation in the form of a birth certificate.

[Jeff Winston]

Two citizen parents who is born in the USA was the law until all the abstractions of McCain and Obama.

No, it wasn't.

It was never, ever, EVER the law in the United States, and to say it was is simply a lie.

There is not one single significant authority in the entire history of the United States who EVER said it required birth on US soil PLUS two citizen parents for a person to be a natural born citizen or eligible to be President. NOT ONE.

The claim was made up out of whole cloth by birthers who didn't like Obama. Now the FALSE CLAIM is being turned against Ted Cruz.

[bluecat6]

If you have to point to a positive (man-made) law or man-made regulation then that nullifies the ‘natural’ part of ‘natural born Citizen’ it would seem.

Puerto Ricans are actually US citizens ‘at birth’. But they are naturalized ‘at birth’ under collective naturalization. Since naturalized citizens are not natural born citizens it is obvious that just being a citizen AT birth is no a criteria for meeting Article II, Section 1 requirements.

Even some websites that specialize in visas and citizenship issues indicate that to be a citizen AT birth BOTH your parents must be US citizens.

See here:

http://www.visalawyergroup.com/frequently-asked-questions/naturalization

From above link:

“2. Who is born a United States citizen?

Generally, people are born U.S. citizens if they are born in the United States or if they are born to U.S. citizens:

By being born in the United States

If you were born in the United States (including, in most cases, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands), you are an American citizen at birth (unless you were born to a foreign diplomat). Your birth certificate is proof of your citizenship.

Through birth abroad to TWO United States citizens

In most cases, you are a U.S. citizen if ALL of the following are true:

Both your parents were U.S. citizens when you were born; and
At least one of your parents lived in the United States at some point in their life.”

Notice the strong requirement that BOTH parents must be US citizens.

Such is not the case for Mr. Cruz.