Skip to comments.Bloomberg’s Public Housing Fingerprinting Idea Stuns, Infuriates Residents
Posted on 08/16/2013 6:58:14 PM PDT by SkyPilot
Mayor Michael Bloombergs latest crime-fighting idea had a lot of people riled up on Friday.
The mayor wants to fingerprint more than 600,000 people who live in public housing. He said it would be done to make the projects safer.
Bloomberg was responding to questions about Federal Judge Shira Schendlins ruling on the stop-and-frisk program when the topic shifted to security and the New York City Housing Authority. Bloomberg said there has to be a way to make the projects safer.
Five percent of our population lives in NYCHA housing, 20 percent of the crime is in NYCHA housing numbers like that. And weve just got to find some way to keep bringing crime down there. And we have a whole group of police officers assigned to NYCHA housing, Bloomberg said. The people that live there, most of them, want more police protection. They want more people. If you have strangers walking in the halls of your apartment building, dont you want somebody to stop and say, Who are you, why are you here?
But residents who live within the confines of NYCHA buildings said the mayors fingerprinting idea goes too far.
Thats like invading someones privacy or something. Why you want to fingerprint somebody? It is bad enough you get arrested, you get finger printed, so why you want to fingerprint us? Now Bloomberg needs to get a job. Get out of here already. Hes done. Bloomberg is done, Chelsea Houses resident Nino Alayon said.
Why? For what? We live here all these years, I mean, what seems to be the problem? This is not jail, added Deborah Gatling of the Chelsea Houses.
I dont feel that thats right. Fingerprinted for what? resident Alberta Hale added.
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How a person spends his SS money isn’t really your or anyone else’s business, now is it? People are just getting a crappy return on monies paid into this ponzi scheme.
To get a military ID card or dependent card, you have to be fingerprinted.
To work as a nurse at a hospital or assisted care facility, you have to be fingerprinted.
To be in the military, you have to be fingerprinted (and submit a DNA sample as well).
To work as a teacher or a teacher's aid at a school (in most states), you have to be fingerprinted.
I hate the whole thing, as we are marching at warp speed to the Mark of the Beast. But that WILL happen, it isn't fiction. God's Word tells us that we all will be under control of a worldwide system, where we cannot even buy, sell, or do any financial transaction without the mark.
If you stick your finger in a hole in the dike - it will just spew forth from another. There will always be ways for those who are prone to fraud to find the loopholes.
Moochelle isn’t a nutritionist and doesn’t need to stick her big nose in what kids eat. Sure some buy junk foods with food stamps, but I’ve seen people with carts of nutritious food as well. Seems like some on here just focus on the negatives. And, like I’ve said - when you point a finger at someone else, you have 3 pointing back at you. Jesus in essence said - why do you try to remove a toothpick from someone else’s eye when you have a telephone pole in your own? There might come a day when you’ll need food stamps. I wouldn’t be so quick if I were you, to judge others and dictate what they can and can’t do.
Some of you Freepers who claim to be for small government sure want to get into the dictatorship side of things. This borders on hypocritical to me.
The problem is, they already do it to "everybody." If you are a nurse, a teacher, or in the military (all honorable professions), you most likely have already had to submit to a fingerprinting session like a criminal.
If you are a gun owner in some states, you have to submit to a fingerprinting like a criminal.
It is the law abiding that they have already gone after.
The takers seem to be skating - they can commit vote fraud in huge numbers because they argue against showing a simple ID to vote (whereas you have to show one to get on an airplane, purchase alcohol, drive, etc).
Nanny Bloomberg is disgusting to me: soft drinks, guns, etc, are none of his business.
Nanny Bloomberg has too much free time on his hands. Let’s not forget that the “wonderful” people of NY elected him for 3 terms? (I think it was). So, they voted for the dictator and now they complain. Libs are libs - NY is a lost cause anyway. There are pockets of conservatism, but just like any other state - the large urban, liberal areas control the politics of the entire state.
What I resent are the generations of wasted lives who do nothing for a living and who I ‘get’ to help take care of because the government has taught them it is easier to do nothing than it is to work. Food stamps are a huge area of fraud and waste. What I suggested was random drug testing for food stamp recipients. I have had to do such for places where I was gainfully employed. Those who are ungainfully receiving public dollars should have no problem with it. And now that you mention it, why should I ‘have to’ take care of someone else’s children? The Lord loves a cheerful giver, not someone coerced at the end of an IRS audit. I prefer to help people I know, not strangers who may or may not be doing anything decent with the money they receive.
lol...Thanks for the correction.
Good idea, but ACLU will jump on this issue in favor of the criminal elements that inhabit public housing projects.
Knew someone would step forward in support of more of a dictatorship/ police state than we already have.
Some of you Freepers who claim to be for small government sure want to get into the dictatorship side of things.
Got that right. There are more than a couple FReepers that want the Constitution burned and a full scale dictatorship/police state established.
“Take the King’s Coin, Do the King’s Bidding.”
It has always been thus.
My only criticism — ordering residents to go get jobs will only work when the job market has need for employees, and that is when the economy begins to expand. Right now the markets are tanking and there are no jobs available. So how can you order someone to get something that doesn’t readily exist?
Providing depression era-style make work will only go so far, as someone must provide the money to pay for the make-work. Socialism is the problem here, and we shouldn’t acerbate this problem further.
Granted, there are things that can be done immediately to relieve stresses on the system: send illegal aliens home, like President Eisenhower did in the 1950s, freeing up jobs and opportunities for our citizens, for one.
In the small city in which I live, the EBT users make up 50% of the city population. FIFTY PERCENT! When the economy does collapse, this place will be in chaos. Even now there are thefts from community garden plots.
The top rated comment from the CBS site:
Put me in charge of food stamps. Food Stamp ATM cards could only be used for food without the ability to get cash. No money for junk food, alcohol, tobacco, or sodas - just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away.
Hows this sound? Not only should they get only bags of rice and beans and be fingerprinted, but they should have bio-chips implanted on them so they can be tracked. And undergo sterilization so they can’t have kids? And put in internment camps surrounded by barbed wire and guarded by troops like FDR did with Japanese-Americans? No tv, radio, or newspapers, and no electricity or candles. If it gets dark out, they have to go to sleep. And in order to pay for their food and shelter, all the men, women, AND children must work on chain gangs 20 hours a day. And NO medical care.
Do not presume that by posting the top comment on that site that I advocate bio chipping and other aspects that will lead to the mark of the beast. I hate those. I hate the coming Antichrist, but it is coming, and there is no stopping it.
All the Wall Street people paying taxes are finger printed, why not them?
Personally, I’m not against drug testing for food stamps. My main and only concern is that there are probably a host of parents who are users and to shut them off inadvertently affects their children. So, its a no win situation for all concerned.
I find it difficult at times to separate the libs from the so-called conservatives on this site.
“Ultimately, he’s clamping down on black and Hispanic criminals in NYC while couching it in ethnically neutral terms.”
He is trying to create a playground for the 1%-ers. He is one of the most socially liberal people in the world, and thinks of other people as nothing more than cattle. His societal curbs are based on nothing more than his own views (pot-smoking and sodomy are OK, but large soft drinks aren’t); he is the epitome of the commissars who intend to rule us (worse than Obama in regard to personal freedoms, in my opinion).
“If you receive SS and Medicare, then the government is paying for your retirement.”
Really? I’ve been contributing from my paychecks for over 25 years for these, and will have to contribute for another 25 to collect. I’ve been paying for my SS/Medicare (and that of many others that haven’t paid anything for generations, if ever).
I like rules attached to hand outs of our tax dollars.The LIBS here will tell you that taxpayers do not pay for anything like SNAP, Section 8 housing vouchers, etc. You could have bet that one would question your math. There are always 1-2 smart alecs who look for one mistake or spelling error. WHY? TOO MUCH FREE TIME?
Unreal. A man with a Jewish name playing Muslim for a day.Weiner must be a pal.
Bloomberg is more of a Helmut Kohl Social Democrat (without the labor background). The sooner he and pig Kelly are gone from our Constituional Republic, the better.
Sorry, I meant Helmut SCHMIDT.
This site has become gang up on old members.
When someone goes on the dole, there should be some accountability.
If they don’t want to give up their *rights*, then go out and get a job like the rest of us.
You will not evade finger printing in your lifetime unless DNA is used.
Get a life. I lived in a welfare town for 18 LONG years and saw it all. The program is rife with fraud and corruption.
Welfare needs to be canned completely, plain and simple.
If they want to eat, let them get a job, just like the rest of us.
And as far as the poor little kiddies, well, they don't feed those kids anyway. They go hungry and I've seen it myself, for 18 long years.
If you want to be a government, nanny stater, bleeding heart liberal, hop on over to DU. You'll find the sympathy there that you're looking for.
The problem is actually that the babies are little money makers. They are allowed x number of extra dollars for every kid they pop out
THAT'S why they have the babies.
Cut out subsidizing each child and you'll see the birth rates drop like a rock.
The mayor wants to fingerprint more than 600,000 people who live in public housing. He said it would be done to make the projects safer.Another thing that would make them safer would be to get rid of public housing altogether.
Great comment. I think we have all had a time or two that things in life became really hard. I know I was down to nothing,not even a car, and; I was used to over 1k plus a week from working my fanny off back in 1980. It was my fault -that I fell on my ass.I felt sorry for me, etc. I had two parents die in 10 months, and; a few other problems. I moved some 100 miles plus away, lived on my insurance renewals, and; I spent $225 for rent. I ate at Wendy’s superbar every damn day for under $4. I walked everywhere or caught a damn bus.It was me who was wrong-not this country or GOV.I believe a person who wants to do something-FINDS A WAY.A person who does not-FINDS AN EXCUSE.
You nailed it. They get X bucks per kid.
It’s a great idea bloomy. Why stop there? DNA and Retina ID should be required for any and all public assistance. You are a fascist BTW.
Me or Bloomberg?
Great post. Many of us have been there. I believe it is God who picks us up, for those who want His help. there are literally millions of Americans (and some of them are not even Americans but they squat here, who choose to stay in the dump.
When you accept goodies from the gubmint, this is what will happen. I have no sympathy for these people.
Go Doomberg go!
Best comment of the thread.
BTW, is anyone else having trouble with their account?
I cannot access my ping list. My mail works, I'm logged in, can post comments, etc, but whenever I click on *New Posts to You* it takes me to the forum comments and does not turn off red.
Thanks. It’s been an adventure the last few months.
Just Bloomy.. It was a title response. :^)
I can understand the outrage of these folks, but I still had to chuckle.
Not because I am mean, but because Bloomberg is different than most lefties. He doesn’t even bother to hide the endgame.
The people who are so upset really do not get that there are, and always have been, invisible meat hooks in them the minute they take what is given to them by the government that was made possible by confiscation from those who do work.
They probably are unable to believe that those freebies they love so much do not give them respect. They are owned and totally dependent.
They day is coming quickly where the meat hooks will be very visible. They will do as they are told or lose the goodies from Uncle Sugar.
The government can take away as easily as they hand it out.
Bloomberg just cuts to the chase. I guess that is good in a way, at least people know what to expect! LOL
Someone who is unsympathetic to the plight of others and wraps it in a conservative blanket deserves to be on DU - that means you! I’ve seen it all too, and apparently, we have both seen the good and the bad. Yes, there is fraud, but what program doesn’t have some fraud connected to it? Even corporations have fraud.
I suggest you adopt oh say about 4 families and buy their groceries for them for a year, if you are so charitable. Which I know that you aren’t.
Government is the least effective and least efficient means of helping the poor, I would reckon that at least HALF of all welfare dollars go to the bureaucracy instead of the poor.
Stick an RFID tag in them and start a tracking program.
Really? Ive been contributing from my paychecks for over 25 years for these, and will have to contribute for another 25 to collect.
I will never understand those that say those are “entitlements” after you have paid into them, and that you don’t deserve and shouldn’t get so much as a penny of that money back.
Such judgmental people on here - there might come a time when some of you who sit in your ivory towers and throw stones will find yourself in the same boat. No wonder people who are having a hard time dont vote for conservatives. They are scared and from the posts Ive read on this forum - they should be.
Yup. If they were suddenly out of money and their bellies were empty, they would be filing for those programs as fast as they could. More than a few FReepers match any DUer when it comes to hatred and cruelty. Only difference is those FReepers brag about what great followers of Jesus they are.