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Candidate For Nevada Governor Goes Birther: (Says) Obama Imposter With Phony Birth Certificate
Obama Release Your Records ^ | 8-15-13

Posted on 08/16/2013 8:30:03 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter

Meet David Lory VanDerBeek, He is a candidate for governor of the state of Nevada. He was interviewed yesterday on a radio program and leveled devastating accusations against President Barack Obama. Mr. VanDerBeek leveled that Barack Obama is a imposter with no confirmed origins of birth. He stated "it's apparent he's lied about who he is". VanDerBeek didn't stop there. He went on and stated that his forged birth certificate is a felony documentation piece and a issue that deserves attention because "it's not a hoax and not a silly game". Mr. VanDerBeek elaborated that "Barack Obama sealed his school records, sealed other things about him and there's so many problem and there is no excuse for that". He went on to add that to be a leader, this is the price you have to pay when you enter public office.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benghazi; birthcerticate; certifigate; congress; davidlorivanderbeek; education; electionfraud; eligibility; fraud; govtabuse; illegalimmigration; immigration; irs; media; mediabias; mikezullo; military; naturalborncitizen; nevada; obama; sheriffjoearpaio; teaparty; tyranny; voterfraud
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Obama’s birth certificates that Obama had posted on the internet are fakes. His SS# is fraudulent. His draft card was most likely fraudulent. His Columbia records are highly suspect, and Obama is nothing but a fraud. Nothing will ever be done about it. The American people can no longer distinguish between fact and fiction, lies and truth, and they don’t care if Obama is made up.


51 posted on 08/16/2013 10:16:59 AM PDT by pallis
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To: USS Johnston
Not my guy, but whose vote and voice in the US Senate would you rather have: McCain OR VanDerBeek?

Wrong state and office, but to be completely honest I'd just as soon not have either one. Just because this guy happens to agree with you on one thing doesn't make him a great candidate for elected office. Even a blind pig finds a truffle from time to time.

52 posted on 08/16/2013 10:21:47 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
"Barack Obama sealed his school records, sealed other things about him and there's so many problem and there is no excuse for that".

Only a Court can seal records. In Obama's case, the Court ordered his original long form BC sealed and archived when the Soetoro adoption was finalized. Later, when the Soetoro adoption was annulled, Barry Soetoro's HI COLB was sealed and archived by order of the Court. Furthermore, the Court ordered the registrar of vital records to create a COLB with Barack Hussein Obama II on it with Barack's father listed as Barack Hussein Obama and his race identified as "African." Following the Court order, the registrar created and filed the COLB, as ordered.

Adoptions and annulments result in the sealing of records.


53 posted on 08/16/2013 10:22:11 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: 0.E.O

I don’t have to tell you anything. If you cared you’d pay more attention. Some people think their country is worth that much.


54 posted on 08/16/2013 10:24:54 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: 0.E.O
He's got a platform. Have you even read it? I especially like his plank pledging full disclosure on what's going on at Area 51.

Yeah. MOST of his positions that YOU oppose happen to make perfect sense AND happen to be supported by the USCON (you know -- that a piece of %$#! paper that you GOPe Statist-Groupies must obviously be wiping with.)

That YOU oppose VanDerBeek's demands to investigate "International organized crime syndicates" like the Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission (Plank #56) tells me you are an especially compliant, bleating Statist whose kneepads are worn out on a weekly basis (or is that daily?)

Btw, have YOU any idea what the purpose of "Area 51" is, or do you deem it "Essential for 'Secret' ET Research"?

55 posted on 08/16/2013 10:25:18 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
And why not?

Because I haven't looked at it, and I admit that I have always wondered how someone can look at a digital copy of a copy converted to .pdf and scanned in and decide that it's a forgery. Wouldn't you need need to see an original to determine that?

Now, how about that fluoride question?

56 posted on 08/16/2013 10:28:26 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
And why not?

Because I haven't looked at it, and I admit that I have always wondered how someone can look at a digital copy of a copy converted to .pdf and scanned in and decide that it's a forgery. Wouldn't you need need to see an original to determine that?

Now, how about that fluoride question?

57 posted on 08/16/2013 10:28:31 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O
Do you think the government adds fluoride to water to keep us docile?

It's OBVIOUSLY because they care about our health. And when the NSA's camera is jammed up our azz, it's obviously for "security" reasons, right?

*snicker*

Good grief -- do you actually believe the Government is "here to help you"?? Keep it up and I'll be forced to tell you the truth about Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, AND Unicorns. Oh...and the GOP (THAT one is a real doozy.)

58 posted on 08/16/2013 10:32:04 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: 0.E.O; USS Johnston
" I especially like his plank pledging full disclosure on what's going on at Area 51."

Really? Pray tell.

George Knapp, Glen Campbell and Bob Lazar heroes of yours?

"Area 51" kooks who believe in the UFO stories are just that, kooks.

59 posted on 08/16/2013 10:34:36 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: 0.E.O; Norm Lenhart
("So I ask again. Is Arpaio a liar?")

No idea. But the day he actually indicts Obama then you can say that you told me so.

"NO idea." LMAO. BUSTED again. What a goobermint-shill.

60 posted on 08/16/2013 10:34:39 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: 0.E.O

” I admit that I have always wondered how someone can look at a digital copy of a copy converted to .pdf and scanned in and decide that it’s a forgery. Wouldn’t you need need to see an original to determine that?”

Well if you’ve wondered about it then why have you not read what the Cold Case Posse’s evidence is?

Here is a start. This Mike Zullo affidavit lays out the evidence proving a forged document.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1O4bkLxw5M6TE1UdlNpTTdQVDg/edit?usp=sharing


61 posted on 08/16/2013 10:37:14 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: SZonian

“”Area 51” kooks who believe in the UFO stories are just that, kooks.”

Based on what?


62 posted on 08/16/2013 10:39:12 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: SZonian; 0.E.O
"Area 51" kooks who believe in the UFO stories are just that, kooks.

But....but...Area 51 is "holy ground" for Statists who kneel before fedgoob "authoritah" and all "TOP SECRET" bullsh*t projects and constitutional violations.

We know who THE "k00k" is here.

63 posted on 08/16/2013 10:39:35 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
This Mike Zullo affidavit lays out the evidence proving a forged document.

Then why hasn't he indicted anyone for forgery yet?

64 posted on 08/16/2013 10:39:42 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: USS Johnston
We know who THE "k00k" is here.

My mind is made up on that subject.

65 posted on 08/16/2013 10:44:18 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

They are taking the case to congressmen to get a congressional committee to have a investigation with subpoena power to get individuals in the White House and Hawaii Dept. Of Health to testify under oath. That is the best route to take as Sheriff Arpaio has always stated.


66 posted on 08/16/2013 10:44:34 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: 0.E.O
My mind is made up on that subject.

Lobotomy OR Stockholm Syndrome?

67 posted on 08/16/2013 10:52:54 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
They are taking the case to congressmen to get a congressional committee to have a investigation with subpoena power to get individuals in the White House and Hawaii Dept. Of Health to testify under oath. That is the best route to take as Sheriff Arpaio has always stated.

Why is that the best route to take and not indict, try, convict, and jail? Zullo has been running around for a year now. Every couple of weeks he makes another announcement about how he's almost ready to blow the lid right off the Obama case. And nothing. If he has solid evidence then use it. Indict Obama. You have got to admit that even the liberal media wouldn't be able to ignore that. Indict him and impeachment has to follow. If the Senate removes him from office then you could have him in a Maricopa County court room facing a jury. So why isn't that the better path?

68 posted on 08/16/2013 10:52:56 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

He is a recent newbie, my guess is he is here to cause problems within the ranks


69 posted on 08/16/2013 10:55:49 AM PDT by stockpirate (American taxpayer's are: The New World Order slaves for the collective.)
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To: USS Johnston
Lobotomy OR Stockholm Syndrome?

I'm not sure what the cause of your condition is. Could be lobotomy. Could be you're just nuts to begin with.

70 posted on 08/16/2013 10:56:29 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O
Why hasn't he indicted anyone for forgery yet?

Uh, because YOUR President and YOUR government are coercive, obstructionist thugs who are burying THE source(s) OF the forgery??

71 posted on 08/16/2013 10:59:02 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: 0.E.O

“Zullo has been running around for a year now. Every couple of weeks he makes another announcement about how he’s almost ready to blow the lid right off the Obama case. “

I thought you didn’t know anything about this case pertaining to the forgery? Were you lying? Never the less, Sheriff Arpaio doesn’t have the jurisdiction. Use logic here. Congress has the power to form a investigative congressional committee with subpoena powers. They have already got congressional members on board who are wanting to get this done.


72 posted on 08/16/2013 11:03:40 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Norm Lenhart
People can believe Obama or Arpaio.
I see the side they choose.

Kind of sums it up for me.
An old iron a$$, no nonsense, law and order sheriff or a fruity Kenyan usurper wrecking the country.

73 posted on 08/16/2013 11:04:29 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
I thought you didn’t know anything about this case pertaining to the forgery? Were you lying?

Never said that. I said I had questions on the forgery claims.

Never the less, Sheriff Arpaio doesn’t have the jurisdiction. Use logic here.

Then I am confused. Isn't it his duty to enforce the law in Maricopa County? If he doesn't have the jurisdiction then that must mean no crime was committed in Maricopa County. If no crime was committed in Maricopa County then under what authority is he sending Zullo all around the place?

74 posted on 08/16/2013 11:09:53 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: USS Johnston
Uh, because YOUR President and YOUR government are coercive, obstructionist thugs who are burying THE source(s) OF the forgery??

How does that stop him from indicting someone if he has evidence a crime has been committed?

75 posted on 08/16/2013 11:10:59 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

“If he doesn’t have the jurisdiction then that must mean no crime was committed in Maricopa County”

No it does not mean that. Think!


76 posted on 08/16/2013 11:15:25 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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77 posted on 08/16/2013 11:15:38 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
No it does not mean that. Think!

It has to mean that. As sheriff of Maricopa County any crime committed there falls under his jurisdiction.

78 posted on 08/16/2013 11:17:40 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O
How does that stop him from indicting someone if he has evidence a crime has been committed?

Judges who refuse to accept said indictment? Courts who also won't? "i"s not dotted and "t"s not crossed and thus rejected? Death threats to families?

Or is this all impossible to you?

79 posted on 08/16/2013 11:26:59 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: USS Johnston
Judges who refuse to accept said indictment? Courts who also won't? "i"s not dotted and "t"s not crossed and thus rejected? Death threats to families?

Has he even tried?

80 posted on 08/16/2013 11:38:48 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: stockpirate
He is a recent newbie, my guess is he is here to cause problems within the ranks

21 posts in an 80 post thread? Looks like a troll to me.

81 posted on 08/16/2013 12:57:25 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: 0.E.O

Sheriffs and other law enforcement officials can’t issue indictments. That is the job of a prosecutor. In most jurisdictions in America, law enforcement turns over evidence of alleged criminal activity to the City Attorney, the County Attorney, the District Attorney, the state Attorney General, the U.S. Attorney or the Attorney General of the United States depending on the appropriate jurisdiction for the crime that is alleged.
If a prosecutor feels that there is probable cause to convene a grand jury in the hope of issuing an indictment, then the prosecutor will convene a grand jury of citizens. In modern day criminal law practice, if a prosecutor wants an indictment, the grand jury will indict.
There has never been a grand jury investigation in any jurisdiction in the nation looking into any of the alleged crimes concerning Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president.
It does amaze me that no grand jury has been convened over Obama eligibility with so many different crimes being alleged (forgery, document tampering, Social Security fraud, election fraud, identity theft, etc). Those who have challenged Obama’s eligibility have used the civil side of the legal system nearly exclusively, filing more than 200 lawsuits.
Obama could have been running for reelection with a grand jury investigation hanging over his head. That might have changed the outcome of the 2012 election.


82 posted on 08/16/2013 1:17:07 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

I forgot to mention that a controversial but often used type of grand jury investigation is called a “fishing expedition.” Sometimes a prosecutor has limited evidence but convenes a grand jury anyway because when you put people on a witness stand, under oath, with the threat of jail time for perjury staring them in the face, all kinds of new information might be revealed.
The prosecutor casts his line into the murky waters to see what kind of fish he just might catch.


83 posted on 08/16/2013 1:29:42 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
Sheriffs and other law enforcement officials can’t issue indictments. That is the job of a prosecutor. In most jurisdictions in America, law enforcement turns over evidence of alleged criminal activity to the City Attorney, the County Attorney, the District Attorney, the state Attorney General, the U.S. Attorney or the Attorney General of the United States depending on the appropriate jurisdiction for the crime that is alleged.

I know that. But the sheriff would have to go to the prosecutor to get the indictment. Why haven't they done that if their evidence is so strong?

It does amaze me that no grand jury has been convened over Obama eligibility with so many different crimes being alleged (forgery, document tampering, Social Security fraud, election fraud, identity theft, etc). Those who have challenged Obama’s eligibility have used the civil side of the legal system nearly exclusively, filing more than 200 lawsuits.

Especially since the requirements for an indictment tend to be very low. Just sufficient evidence to show that a crime may have been committed, and to hear Zullo they should have more than enough evidence to accomplish that. Why haven't they?

84 posted on 08/16/2013 1:32:36 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O
he's running for the Independent American Party nomination

And at first I thought they were talking about an actual candidate for governor.

85 posted on 08/16/2013 1:36:11 PM PDT by Drew68 (Cruz '16)
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To: Drew68
And at first I thought they were talking about an actual candidate for governor.

He's the closest thing they've got.

86 posted on 08/16/2013 1:44:07 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

From a former member of the Maricopa County Cold Case Posse:
An Open Letter to Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery

On March 1, 2012, the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office held a formal press conference regarding their investigation into the identification documents of President Barack Hussein Obama II. At the press conference it was announced that the MCSO had developed sufficient evidence to indicate that Mr. Obama’s Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth and his Selective Service System registration form were criminal forgeries. To say the least, the findings were shocking.
Many citizens contacted Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett’s office to request that Mr. Obama be kept off the November 6, 2012 ballot as the authenticity of his identification papers were now in question. At Mr. Bennett’s request the State of Hawaii sent a “Verification of Birth” notice in May of 2012. Surprisingly, the one most critical piece of information that was conveniently missing was Mr. Obama’s date of birth. Secretary Bennett, apparently satisfied, even with the lack of this critical information, notified the public that Mr. Obama would be on the November ballot assuming the Democratic National Committee provided the proper nomination form.
On September 10, 2012, the Arizona Secretary of State received the D.N.C. nomination paper for Barack Hussein Obama. On the document, Mr. Obama swore or affirmed that he is “a natural born citizen of the United States and [he] is at least thirty-five years of age…..and meet[s] all other constitutional requirements to hold the office of President of the United States.”
The people of Arizona deserve truthful answers to the predicament that we currently find ourselves. Is Barack Obama eligible to be president? Are his identification documents forgeries? Has a crime been committed in Arizona? And if a crime of fraud and forgery and possible conspiracy have been committed, who would be the one who most likely benefit from such crimes? The answer is obvious.
I think it is now time for you, the Maricopa County Attorney to come to the aid of Sheriff Arpaio and take the MCSO findings to the Maricopa County Grand Jury for review. Let’s turn Sheriff Arpaio’s findings over to the people who have been assigned the task of determining whether a crime has been committed and ultimately who is the beneficiary of such criminal behavior. Lets take the evidence out of the hands of the politicians and let the citizens in the Maricopa County Grand Jury decide the validity of the MCSO findings, prior to the November elections.
Arizona Revised Statute, Chapter 23, Sec. 13-2311 states in part, “…any person who, pursuant to a scheme or artifice to defraud or deceive, knowingly falsifies, conceals or covers up a material fact by trick, scheme or device or makes or uses any false writing or document knowing such writing or document contains any false fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry is guilty of a class 5 felony.”
In the words of former President Richard Nixon of Watergate fame, “people have got to know whether their President is a crook.”
Mr. Montgomery, please request Sheriff Arpaio’s findings about President Obama’s identification documents and submit them to the Maricopa County Grand Jury and let the jurors decide if Mr. Obama benefits from a criminal scheme and should be kept off the November Arizona 2012 ballot. We have the right to know.
Respectfully,

Brian Reilly
Sun City West, AZ


87 posted on 08/16/2013 1:46:31 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

Reply to Brian Reilly from Maricopa County Attorney Montgomery

Dear Mr. Reilly,

Thank you for taking the time to write and for the concerns you have expressed. There are a couple of points of analysis, though, in determining whether a criminal charge can be filed, regardless of the charge or who the suspect might be. The first is whether I have jurisdiction over the case. That requires that some conduct had to have occurred in Maricopa County for me to have jurisdiction. From the Sheriff’s Office investigation into suspect documents produced by the White House to date, that investigation has not revealed any evidence that conduct occurred in Maricopa County. I have discussed this with the Sheriff. As for any issues regarding qualifications or information provided regarding the Presidential Election itself, that is a statewide election. Under Arizona law, the Secretary of State and the Attorney General have jurisdiction over statewide elections. I do not.

I will share with you, as well, that the criminal statute you cited in your message requires additional evidence that the MCSO investigation to date has not uncovered. Specifically, we would need evidence to affirmatively prove that Mr. Obama is not a US citizen. To date, there has been evidence presented leading to speculation that documents have been forged and other documents do not exist. That alone, though, is not sufficient evidence to present to a grand jury and actually have a reasonable likelihood of conviction. I cannot speak for other prosecutors at the state level around the rest of the country or for prosecutors at the federal level but Arizona’s ethics rules do not permit prosecutors to file a charge they can only hope to be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt at a later stage.

I stand ready and willing, however, to review any case submitted for charges and, if the evidence is there, I will prosecute regardless of who the suspect/defendant may be.

Sincerely,
Bill Montgomery
Maricopa County Attorney


88 posted on 08/16/2013 1:49:38 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
On March 1, 2012, the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office held a formal press conference regarding their investigation into the identification documents of President Barack Hussein Obama II. At the press conference it was announced that the MCSO had developed sufficient evidence to indicate that Mr. Obama’s Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth and his Selective Service System registration form were criminal forgeries. To say the least, the findings were shocking.

If they have sufficient evidence to indicate then why don't they have sufficient evidence to indict? And if they have sufficient evidence to indict then why haven't they resquested the prosecuing attorney to issue an indictment? And if they've requested the prosecuting attorney issue an indictment then why hasn't that office done so?

89 posted on 08/16/2013 1:49:46 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Nero Germanicus

When was that letter dated Nero Germanicus?

By the way, it is best for Arpaio to take it to Congress to investigate since they can remove a president. Don’t you agree?


90 posted on 08/16/2013 4:07:15 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Menehune56

Something about his handle prevents me from looking at his posts in the search engine


91 posted on 08/16/2013 7:18:08 PM PDT by stockpirate (American taxpayer's are: The New World Order slaves for the collective.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Placemark


92 posted on 08/16/2013 9:00:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

I agree, if (and it’s a HUGE “if”) anybody can name the 22 Democrat Senators who might conceivably vote to remove Obama via an impeachment trial. It takes 67 Senators to remove a president from office and there are 45 Republicans in the Senate including the RINOs.

My personal opinion is that a criminal indictment by a Grand Jury is the best way to remove Obama from office. I don’t believe that there are even ten Democrats in the Senate who would vote to convict him under a Bill of Impeachment. An indictment for a crime like forgery or election fraud would force Obama to resign from office like Nixon did and accept a pardon from new President Biden in order to avoid a trial.
But it doesn’t have to be “either/or.” Congressional, criminal and civil actions can work hand in hand.

The letter from Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery to former Maricopa County Cold Case Posse member Brian Reilly was dated September 26, 2012.


93 posted on 08/17/2013 12:35:31 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: stockpirate; Menehune56

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:0eo/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

This may work.


94 posted on 08/17/2013 5:24:30 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: q_an_a

Running on principals ...

Will likely win him tons of support.


95 posted on 08/17/2013 7:21:58 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Let’s just put it this way, with all of the thousands of workers who have gone through “Area 51” in the intervening decades, you don’t find it the least bit curious that only one or two who “claimed” to have worked there have come forward with stories of UFO’s?

And of those that did, they received absolutely no punitive measures for violating any non-disclosure agreements they would have signed? If they were released from this agreement, why weren’t the thousands of others who could corroborate their stories? This draws their credibility into serious question.

Keeping in mind that those who could possibly refute their stories aren’t going to for various reasons, but namely, they swore they wouldn’t talk about their work unless permitted to do so.

No physical evidence, no documentation, nothing but hand drawn and verbal “evidence” that matches up pretty damn close with sci-fi movies.

What we have seen out of “Area 51” are folks talking about the SR71 and U2 in their early days, when interest in Sci-Fi was probably at its peak. Seeing “weird” looking aircraft fly 3x the speed of sound sure would have been easy to compare to the movies of the time.

So if “Area 51” is used to test new technology, why isn’t it plausible that UFO kooks want to make new aircraft into UFOs? It gets them attention, which draws in more kooks, which draws in the $$$.

Laughable...


96 posted on 08/17/2013 11:05:43 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: 0.E.O

“# 49 - Oversized Government.
Several federal agencies can be abolished including the Federal Reserve, the IRS, NSA, DHS, FDA, ATF, and the Department of Education.”

There are a few planks that I really wonder about, but certainly not #49. I would also say that there are more really beneficial positions than there are “fringe” positions.

Are you really in favor of oversized government?


97 posted on 08/17/2013 12:30:08 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple
Are you really in favor of oversized government?

I'm not sure I'm in favor of abolishing the National Security Agency or the Food and Drug Administration.

98 posted on 08/17/2013 1:09:21 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Triple

geez...support is not winning. There are loads of guys/gals I like and would vote for, but they make stupid decisions to stir up a hornets nest when walking away could allow them to win and then nuke the nest, but they spout off and lose. It’s a trait of many in politics...both sides. /rant off


99 posted on 08/17/2013 7:27:12 PM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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