Posted on 08/14/2013 5:45:12 AM PDT by Perdogg
The Constitution says that only "natural born citizens" are eligible to be president. Is Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas eligible, given that he was born in Canada of a U.S. citizen mother and a Cuban immigrant father?
If Cruz runs, 2016 will be the third consecutive election in which there were questions about the right of a major party candidate to serve. Unfortunately, the Framers left few clues about exactly what a "natural born citizen" is; Congress has not used the phrase in citizenship statutes since 1790.
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Once again, you are a Kook, and an intellectually DISHONEST Kook at that.
You have been *PROVEN* Wrong about Thomas Jefferson being a Dual Citizen. You have been proven wrong to the point that not even Tau Food or Nero Germanicus will comment in support of your position.
I predicted that very likely not even your allies would support you on this, and so far my prediction has proven to be correct.
Now what do you do? You keep trying to act like you haven’t been bitchslapped by history, by clinging on to this pretense that you are still somehow, in some way, possibly correct.
It’s over Jake. You lost this one, and you lost it hard. Take your lumps like a man and quit acting like a little petulant child who can’t admit he’s wrong.
You couldn’t possibly deny reality any more if you were standing on the street corner screaming that the earth is flat.
One day you must tell me how that feels.
THAT, dear Jeffery, is your problem. You read words with a preconceived notion of what they already say, not for what they actually say.
Dane never said Jefferson would BE a French citizen, he said he could live AS A French citizen.
A person could live AS A monkey, Jeff. That person could swing from a tree AS A monkey does, eat fruit, berries and bugs AS A monkey does and sleep in a crook of a tree AS A monkey does………
but that does not MAKE that person a monkey!
No, Jeff, Dane’s saying Jefferson could live AS A French citizen no more MAKES Jefferson a French citizen than the Wong Kim Ark court saying he was ‘just as much a citizen AS A natural-born citizen’ MADE HIM a natural-born citizen, because words mean things, Jeff.
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THAT'S WHAT A DUAL CITIZEN IS.
No, Jeff, a DUAL CITIZEN, by the definition of the word, means a 50/50 split, such as a child would receive equally, BY BIRTH from each of his NATURAL parents……. not a little bit more of one kind of citizen than the other.
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And I read the entire rest of the chapter in Dane's book. I'll summarize it.
ROFLMAO! You'll 'summarize it? Are you freakin' kidding me? Mister, I wouldn't trust you read the ingredients from a package label!
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Dual citizens have more than one country claiming them as citizens.
Like I said words mean things. Show me, ONE INSTANCE Jeff, EXACTLY WHERE Dane used the phrase 'dual citizen' in his work.
I'll be waiting.
I think with your last post you have elevated sheer, absolute, black-is-white-and-white-is-black birther denialism to a brand new art form.
You said:
Dane never said Jefferson would BE a French citizen, he said he could live AS A French citizen.
A person could live AS A monkey, Jeff. That person could swing from a tree AS A monkey does, eat fruit, berries and bugs AS A monkey does and sleep in a crook of a tree AS A monkey does………
but that does not MAKE that person a monkey!
Except that Nathan Dane said, quite explicitly, IN THE EXACT SAME SENTENCE THAT YOU TWIST AND MISQUOTE, that Thomas Jefferson had already BEEN MADE A FRENCH CITIZEN:
"So Mr. Jefferson was naturalized in France and there made a French citizen, and had he gone there would have been entitled to all the rights there of an adopted citizen..."
You have indeed raised birther denialism to a new level.
Oh... PS... Words (like “was naturalized in France and there made a French citizen”) mean things.
Blah! Blah, blah, blah ba blah, blah, blah!
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Answer the question, Jeff:
Where, EXACTLY, in Nathan Dane's work is found the phrase "dual citizen"?
Ah. And now you’re engaging in the time-honored birther tradition of MOVING THE GOAL POSTS.
You’re the one who made the stupid and false assertion that Dane never said Thomas Jefferson was really a citizen of France. I showed clearly and absolutely that he did.
Okay, so having been caught in a delusion the scale of Mount Everest, you now try to squirm out of it by claiming that if Dane didn’t use the words “dual citizen,” that somehow justifies your idiocy.
Afraid not. Dane clearly stated that Jefferson had been naturalized by the French and thereby made a citizen of France. He further emphasized the real nature of that citizenship by noting that if Jefferson went to France, he would enjoy all the privileges there of an adopted (that is, naturalized citizen. Why? Because he WAS a naturalized citizen.)
Well, as far as dual citizenship goes, if Jefferson was a citizen of the United States, and simultaneously a naturalized citizen of France, what does that make him? It makes him a dual citizen, whether Dane used those specific words or not.
No, Jeff, by not using the words “dual citizen,” Dane fails to justify your idiocy.
There are other references to Jefferson gaining French Citizenship, but researches done in French historical records have not confirmed it. Some argued against Jefferson’s candidacy for President saying he was “too French” to be President of the United States.
The case for James Madison is clear; however. Writing in 1793 to French interior minister Jean-Marie Roland, Madison enthusiastically accepting French citizenship, said: The “artifical boundaries of nations,” he wrote, could not divide the “great family” of mankind.
This is detailed in Richard Brookner’s book, “James Madison” starting on page 112.
The foreign-born Hamilton also received French citizenship. While Hamilton was never President, it was this possibility that prompted the Constitution’s exception for “citizens at the time of adoption” in Article II.
Trouble with false rumors is that they can get widely spread, and thereafter widely quoted. This is exactly the trap Jeff fell into with his quote of Nathan Dane.
That there is no confirmation in French Historical records ought to demonstrate conclusively the falsity of the claim.
Some argued against Jefferson’s candidacy for President saying he was “too French” to be President of the United States.
Political enemies often seize upon anything which they believe might have some traction with the public.
The case for James Madison is clear; however. Writing in 1793 to French interior minister Jean-Marie Roland, Madison enthusiastically accepting French citizenship, said: The “artifical boundaries of nations,” he wrote, could not divide the “great family” of mankind.
Yes, i'm aware of that letter from Madison accepting honorary French Citizenship and expressing his "citizen of the world" wishful thinking. But the fact remains, Madison did not swear allegiance to the French Government, and was regarded by no-one as a French or even a Dual citizen.
The assertion that he was, is a deliberate attempt to blur the fact that "dual citizen" is a 20th creation that has no valid counterpart in the early 19th century.
The foreign-born Hamilton also received French citizenship. While Hamilton was never President, it was this possibility that prompted the Constitution’s exception for “citizens at the time of adoption” in Article II.
Honorary French citizenship. It has the same legal force as proclaiming everyone "Irish" on St. Patrick's day. It is a celebratory gesture of no legal weight or consequence.
And it is deceitful to portray it as anything else.
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