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Asiana says pilot of crashed plane was in training
Reuters ^
| July 7, 2013
| by Hyunjoo Jin
Posted on 07/07/2013 8:19:47 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Polynikes
There’s also a question from Uwe on page 3 that Eleua responds to, that speaks to some of the cultural issues that may have been contributory. Worthwhile.
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posted on
07/08/2013 2:30:08 AM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
(Islam delenda est)
To: Oldeconomybuyer
Lee, who started his career at Asiana as an intern in 1994, has 9,793 hours of flying experience, but only 43 hours with the Boeing 777 jet. Well, he's hardly a rookie, and I still want to know what happened to the left engine.
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posted on
07/08/2013 3:26:56 AM PDT
by
Timber Rattler
(Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
To: dragnet2
“Too slow, too low, and way too short.”
That was at the end.
Earlier in the approach they were way too high (over 600 ft over where they should have been).
The flightaware data shows this was a very bad approach from the start.
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posted on
07/08/2013 4:14:27 AM PDT
by
bluecat6
("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
To: Oldeconomybuyer
Why are so many blaming the pilot before a full investigation is done? Every single pilot flying on every airline today was “in training” at one time.
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posted on
07/08/2013 6:31:47 AM PDT
by
toldyou
(Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
To: Oldeconomybuyer
Epic fail.
Look for Obama to name Lee Kang-kook the next head of The FAA.
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posted on
07/08/2013 7:42:11 AM PDT
by
Texas Eagle
(If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
To: Oldeconomybuyer
"He has a lot of experience and previously flown to San Francisco on different planes including the B747... and he was assisted by another pilot who has more experience with the 777," the spokeswoman said
That is why we still have two in the cockpit.
Airliner Cockpit Concepts Mulled: Solo And Unmanned
Aviation Week & Space Technology Jun 24, 2013 , p. 20 Pierre Sparaco
Move to one-person cockpits could be quietly taking its first steps
Printed headline: The End of Redundancy
Do you remember Michael O'Leary's ironic remark about the envisioned one-pilot flight crew? Ryanair 's chief executive last year claimed direct operating costs could be significantly reduced by eliminating the first officer on commercial flights
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posted on
07/08/2013 7:56:27 AM PDT
by
Cheerio
(Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
To: tpmintx
I’m not sure if it was in “The Checklist Manifesto” or one of the Malcolm Gladwell books, but there was a Korean jumbo jet that crashed and killed all on board some decades ago because a problem seen by the copilot was not effectively communicated to the Captain due an excess of cultural deference to authority.
The book said that this problem had been addressed, but perhaps it hasn’t.
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posted on
07/08/2013 8:34:26 AM PDT
by
Atlas Sneezed
(Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
To: xjcsa
Isn’t it possible that captain was senior overall, but just new on the 777?
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posted on
07/08/2013 8:38:47 AM PDT
by
Atlas Sneezed
(Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
To: bunkerhill7
More than once, I have had to provide directions to CTA (Chicago) bus drivers to the location of next stop. In fairness, Chicago tears up streets annually to keep the wrinkles out of the union bosses’ bellies. Yet, a little pre-shift prep should be mandatory.
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posted on
07/08/2013 8:41:39 AM PDT
by
CreviceTool
( Bill Clinton: "Ted, this guy should have been getting our baggage, fetching our coffee,")
To: CreviceTool
Conditions sunny, 10 mile visibility, with 8 mph winds It was SF Airport ground systems fault, PLEASE!!!
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posted on
07/08/2013 8:49:32 AM PDT
by
mason-dixon
(As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
To: Oldeconomybuyer
If this was an American company I doubt they would be this forth coming to the public. Hey if this was the U.S. govt they would outright lie to the public.
To: Atlas Sneezed
Maybe, but the captains doing the training tend to be pretty senior. Either way, there should have been plenty of total experience on that flight deck for a safe flight. I’m sure one area that will get a close look in the investigation is the crew’s use or non-use of crew resource management methods.
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posted on
07/08/2013 8:54:37 AM PDT
by
xjcsa
(Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
To: Gay State Conservative
Then shouldn’t the fault lie more with the check pilot not monitoring the situation closely enough and not correcting the trainee pilot’s error before it caused the crash?
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posted on
07/08/2013 8:54:55 AM PDT
by
0.E.O
To: 0.E.O
Then shouldnt the fault lie more with the check pilot not monitoring the situation closely enough and not correcting the trainee pilots error before it caused the crash? Having never *flown* an aircraft and never having flown anything but coach (except on two occasions) I couldn't answer that.I don't have the first clue who's responsible for what in the cockpit of a 777.
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posted on
07/08/2013 9:03:48 AM PDT
by
Gay State Conservative
(The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
To: AlexW
Every pilot has a first time for landing at ANY airport. If it's his first time, or he has low hours in that particular plane, then he should be "co pilot" until he DOES have experience, regardless of whether, organizationally, he's the higher-ranked pilot.
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posted on
07/08/2013 9:06:26 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
(You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
To: Lmo56
They may not know which pilot until the day of the flight.
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posted on
07/08/2013 9:57:04 AM PDT
by
reg45
(Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
To: Oldeconomybuyer
Had the pilot been Japanese, he might have to be put on suicide watch. Two dead, lots hurting, his fault; point of honor.
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posted on
07/08/2013 10:01:33 AM PDT
by
JimRed
(Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
To: 9YearLurker
If they were both Captain Lee perhaps they confused themselves. They needed to turn starboard but could only turn leeward.
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posted on
07/08/2013 10:05:19 AM PDT
by
palmer
(Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
To: palmer
To: ltc8k6
From the looks of it, that plane performed spectacularly. Cracked off the tail, belly-flopped on the runway and still intact? That is pretty amazing and testament to the fortitude of American-made Boeing aircraft.
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posted on
07/08/2013 10:48:06 AM PDT
by
ponygirl
(Be Breitbart.)
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