Posted on 07/07/2013 8:19:47 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
Asiana Airlines Inc said the pilot in charge of landing the Boeing 777 that crash-landed at San Francisco's airport on Saturday was training for the long-range plane and that it was his first flight to the airport with the jet.
"It was Lee Kang-kook's maiden flight to the airport with the jet... He was in training. Even a veteran gets training (for a new jet)," a spokeswoman for Asiana Airlines said on Monday.
"He has a lot of experience and previously flown to San Francisco on different planes including the B747... and he was assisted by another pilot who has more experience with the 777," the spokeswoman said.
Lee, who started his career at Asiana as an intern in 1994, has 9,793 hours of flying experience, but only 43 hours with the Boeing 777 jet.
Co-pilot Lee Jeong-min, who has 3,220 hours of flying experience with the Boeing 777 and a total of 12,387 hours of flying experience, was helping Lee Kang-kook in the landing, the spokeswoman said.
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Cultural issues. He probably was hesitant to challenge the captain.
There was another South Korean airline accident due to this issue.
In fact, there is now questions on whether the pilot enabled an RNAV approach, which uses GPS data to guide the aircraft to within 20 feet accuracy in latitude, longitude and altitude (20 feet because of the much bigger GPS receiving antennas on commercial airliners compared to the receiving antennas on portable GPS receivers or your cellphone). Some have speculated that if the pilot had enabled an RNAV approach, the plane would have flown on the proper final glide path within 20 feet accuracy for a proper landing.
OK... Why would a pilot in training be landing a plane with passengers aboard???? Should not passenger aboard landings be reserved for when he was fully certified for the left seat.
The rocks at the end of the runway seawall were too high.
That is the explaination you would get from the Obama Admin.
C'mon now. You really think that's the only option to fly empty 777s as a dry run? If so, there would be many more crashes.
I think his flying career with Asiana is over. He will be lucky to get a crop dusting job.
I thot we got rid of that cultural krap in cockpits, ordnance disposal facilities, heavy machinery operations, surgical operating rooms, bomb fusing rooms and all the rest of places where a wrong move can be fatal about a half century ago? Do you actually suppose all four of these geniuses in the cockpit ( OK, I’m changing it to cocklesspit) flying a half billion dollars worth of hardware were so freaking hung up on the fine points of oriental etiquet that they couldn’t bring themselves to say something as simple as “get it up”? Hitting a San Fran Bay breakwater clearly is going to save a lot of FACE!
The Boeing 777 is one of the most technically advanced aircraft in service. Unless I have misread the published manuals this aircraft has more than one system monitoring each and every facet required in maintaining a safe environment. If this is the case, then why no audio/visual alarms notifying the pilots their approach was flawed? Any audio communications between this crew and the tower is void of any traditional alarms, until 7 or so seconds from a heroic touchdown that saved all but 2 souls. Am I to believe that this marvel of modern flying machines will not calculate current data, project out future points in time, and alarm those in control adjustments must be made before the point of no return is breached? At 7 seconds from demise, it seems the plane has failed to notify and bypassed any fail safe, installed systems to ensure no critical event occurs. I thought such aircraft would take over flying if a critical event is imminent. If this ability to take control has been disabled, then many alarms would be rings loud. But if this advanced machine is displaying safe information to the pilots, I would assume this would be the same information the safety measures are using to decide if auto measures are needed. This is troublesome to me. The only safety measure that kicked in is the shaking that occurs (stick shaker) that is directly associated to engine stall...but why didn’t other alarms sound, suggesting a stall was imminent?
This is information contained within the manual posted via the link:
‘‘Fault Tolerance” is a term that is used to define the ability of any system to withstand single or multiple failures which results in either no loss of functionality or a known loss of functionality or reduced level of redundancy while maintaining the required level of safety. It does not, however, define any particular method that is used for this purpose. There are two major classes of faults that any system design must deal with. These are
• A failure which results in some particular component becoming totally inoperative. An example of this would be a loss of power to some electronic component, such that it no longer performs its intended function.
• A failure which results in some particular component remaining active, but the functionality it provides is in error. An example of this failure would be a Low Range Radio Altimeter whose output is indicating the airplane is at an altitude 500 ft above the ground when the airplane is actually 200 ft above the ground.
http://www.davi.ws/avionics/TheAvionicsHandbook_Cap_11.pdf
I fail to understand how a pilot can be hung out to dry without first showing how all safety systems and measures could be disabled, and all alarms keep at bay during all communications during approach. Help me understand what I’m missing.
“Well, hopefully he doesn’t return to the cockpit. He failed.”
Let’s hope he didn’t say something like “God is great” (as Big Media likes to use the expression).
The Fraud tried to get Timothy W. Dorsey promoted to ADMIRAL, who shot down a US F-4 ~25 years ago.
See post 37
OJT is really a no/no when landing a full load of passengers at an airport with the landing strip on the water on one side and with hard pavement on the other side.
He had 10,000 hours of flight time on the 747. He’s not a rookie.
It looks like they set up a bad approach and then tried to salvage the landing instead of instituting a missed approach procedure. It appears they got low and slow which is ALWAYS a bad combination.
“Thank You for Flying with Harbor Freight, we hope you enjoyed your flight”
You always hope that neither our doctor or your pilot are novices.
NOR!
As far as I’m aware, having pilots in training fly passenger planes is standard operating procedure. That’s one of the reasons for having co-pilots, so in this regard, the airline did nothing wrong as far as policy is concerned. If the trainee was failing to execute his tasks, the copilot should have stepped in.
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