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To: kinsman redeemer

Well, if you are Christian and believe that they are (however mistaken in some particulars) Christians too, they should be loved as brothers and sisters despite disagreeing with some of their ideas. Personally I couldn’t grok the saint hailing stuff the way they do it... seems to me the big attention in the practice goes to the saint and not to the Lord, which is a trouble flag to serious evangelicals... and I couldn’t pledge myself to that kind of worship. Even if I could speak to saints in the hereafter I’d be doing so as brothers and sisters and praising the Lord in the process. Not just begging favors then goodbye.


10 posted on 07/05/2013 6:22:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Not just begging favors then goodbye.

That's a valid criticism. But some people treat God the same way.

We should ask the saints to pray for us, just as we ask other Christians to pray for us. It's an important part of our prayer life.

Christians represent the Body of Christ. So prayer should be "horizontal," through the Body of Christ, and "vertical," aimed directly at God.

16 posted on 07/05/2013 6:37:16 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Personally I couldn’t grok the saint hailing stuff the way they do it... seems to me the big attention in the practice goes to the saint and not to the Lord, which is a trouble flag to serious evangelicals... and I couldn’t pledge myself to that kind of worship.

The key point is whether you believe that those departed are still "alive". The CC believes and teaches that ALL souls will live forever, and that those not currently "embodied" on Earth are as much (actually much more) alive than those of us here, either in purgatory, Heaven, or Hell (and yes, purgatory makes perfect sense as understood by the CC). Those in Heaven are already (and all...not just those recognized as) saints, those in purgatory are "saints-in-waiting", and those in Hell have chosen their destination by their own free will.

"Even if I could speak to saints in the hereafter I’d be doing so as brothers and sisters and praising the Lord in the process.

Which is precisely what CC's do. Let's just say that what you are "standing against" is a faulty image rather than what the RCC is.

"Not just begging favors then goodbye."

According to Catholic doctrine, there is no such thing as "goodbye".......just "not currently here in the flesh".

Note...I joined the RCC about six years ago after forty years as an "unchurched" Episcopalian, after MUCH study.

21 posted on 07/05/2013 6:50:45 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What you don’t know about the Church is a lot


24 posted on 07/05/2013 7:13:15 AM PDT by stanne
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