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George Zimmerman trial raises questions of race and racial language (White guilt warning)
The Oregonian ^ | June 29, 2013 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 06/30/2013 1:19:03 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The trial of George Zimmerman, accused of fatally shooting Trayvon Martin, inevitably and quickly devolved into a contest of who is more racist -- the victim or the accused?

The question was inevitable because the prosecution is basing its case largely on the suggestion that Zimmerman profiled the 17-year-old African-American, allegedly deciding he was a potential threat by virtue of his race.

This assumption was somewhat complicated Thursday during testimony by 19-year-old Rachel Jeantel, a friend of Martin's who was talking to him by cellphone shortly before he was shot. Sidebar: Poor Jeantel. Whether she is a credible witness will be determined by the jury, but the rest of us really ought to cut the girl some slack. She is young, obviously playing on alien turf and having a tough-enough time on the witness stand without further commentary. She may, indeed, be the best argument yet for keeping cameras out of the courtroom, but that is another discussion. Jeantel's contribution to the race discussion included a quote she attributed to Martin when he told her a "creepy-ass cracker" was watching him. No doubt Zimmerman did seem creepy. He was following Martin after all, who, as far as anyone knows with certainty, was merely walking home from a convenience store. Does Martin's use of "cracker" mean he was a racist and, therefore, may have instigated the struggle that, according to the defense, compelled Zimmerman to shoot Martin in self-defense?

Jeantel told defense attorney Don "Knock-Knock" West that, no, she doesn't consider "cracker" a racist term. Apparently, most whites don't either. In street interviews aired Thursday, CNN found that whites are not as offended by the term "cracker" as they are by the N-word......

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: trayvon; trayvonstroops; zimmerman
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To: jiggyboy

Trademark made it perfectly clear he was talking about the Sorry ass white boy.


51 posted on 06/30/2013 7:21:26 AM PDT by DeWalt
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To: SC_Pete

I do Peggy Noonan impressions to make my mom laugh. She tries harder than anyone I have ever seen to make people think she is a WASP. She certainly seems like a wanna be WASP! She IS the worst!


52 posted on 06/30/2013 7:34:17 AM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the cracker’s head got split you must acquit.


53 posted on 06/30/2013 9:02:04 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: yldstrk

Actually thought she said ray sis s at first


54 posted on 06/30/2013 9:03:07 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: Verginius Rufus
"... a reasonable person might not given that his injuries were not severe enough"

Perhaps if that "reasonable person" had their nose broken and their head repeatedly bounced off the concrete they might have a little more...um...perspective.

I saw another female former prosecutor on FOX make a similar statement. I had no idea a person had to suffer a certain amount of physical damage before he could defend himself.

55 posted on 06/30/2013 9:15:11 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s because blacks and latino’s have a huge chip on their shoulders.


56 posted on 06/30/2013 9:25:21 AM PDT by 38special (For real, y'all.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Marcia Clark of O.J. trial infamy was on Judge Jeanine last night and was claiming that GZ’s “self defense” claim would only be valid if a reasonable person thought he was in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm, that he may subjectively have thought he was in danger but that a reasonable person might not given that his injuries were not severe enough...sounded like she was hoping for a “manslaughter” verdict.

Zimmerman has two points in his favor here:

First, a reasonable person could think he was in danger of being beaten to death at the point when the back of that person's head was bleeding from being pounded against concrete. We know from physical evidence that George Zimmerman was in that condition when he fired the shot, unless he injured himself and Trayvon Martin's knuckles after shooting. It's implausible that he could have faked that well enough to fool professionals.

Second, Zimmerman specifically reported that Trayvon Martin said, “You’re gonna die tonight” as he reached for George Zimmerman’s gun. At the point when you are beaten to death and your attacker says he's going to kill you and reaches for a gun, it's completely and totally reasonable to think that you are in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm. George Zimmerman had just lost a physical struggle against Trayvon Martin and could not reasonably have been expected to bet his life on winning a struggle for the gun without firing a shot.

Reasonable doubt is a slam dunk. Even if the prosecution could prove that Zimmerman provoked the attack (impossible to prove without a witness), at the time when the shot was fired it would have been lawful even for the aggressor to shoot.

57 posted on 06/30/2013 9:46:07 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Her liberal racism is showing.

She perceives the occasional white racists as dangerous and ignorant people. They are worthy of a response and rejection because whites are better than that.

However, it’s not surprising to her when blacks are ignorant and dangerous racists. Blacks just are that way so it’s nothing new, shocking and no big deal. It’s just blacks being inferior blacks.

Thanks for straightening us crackers out, you racist idiot.
Racists are dangerous, ignorant animals, no matter the color of their skin.


58 posted on 06/30/2013 11:08:14 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is dumb article.


59 posted on 06/30/2013 11:54:59 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Verginius Rufus

Marcia Clark is an either an idiot who should know better or she’s pimping an agenda. At least in Florida, you don’t have to wait to suffer injuries to justify deploying deadly force in self defense.

If anything, Zimmerman showed amazing restraint and reluctance to deploy his weapon, and waited until the last possible moment to do so despite the danger he was so obviously in.

Martin had proximity, ability and intent to kill or seriously harm Zimmerman, and was trying to do so for quite some time. Zimmerman narrowly missed becoming one of the 800 or so poor souls who are murdered every year in this country with what the FBI calls “personal weapons”, mostly hands, feet and fists.

That’s discounting the very real possibility that Martin could have gained control of the firearm involved either before or after he beat Zimmerman senseless.

The more I think about it, I’d file Marcia in the large category of talking heads willing to lie and omit facts in order to prolong the controversy. If they had an honest panel on a news show, they’d only be talking about why on earth would a prosecutor might file charges with such an anemic case.

If and when somebody has the guts to go there and tell the truth, watch the ratings of this pioneer of honesty skyrocket.


60 posted on 06/30/2013 11:56:35 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Earthdweller; 101stAirborneVet

George Zimmerman’s Black Ancestry is Revealed
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2876811/posts

George Zimmerman: the black, Hispanic, Peruvian, kind-hearted non-white, not-racist poster boy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2876692/posts

George Zimmerman Has ‘Black Roots’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2876518/posts


61 posted on 06/30/2013 1:00:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Pollster1

The problem with an all-female jury and a female judge is that, chances are, none of those ladies have ever been in a serious physical altercation of any kind, much less had their head beaten against concrete. Their only reference to that kind of violence is movies, television and video games. In those, a person gets back up and bashes their opponent, instead of dying from a concussion.


62 posted on 06/30/2013 1:08:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I refuse to accept the left’s claim that “19 is young” in this kind of situation.


63 posted on 06/30/2013 1:10:28 PM PDT by bannie
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To: Pollster1
It's very nice to speculate from a place of perfect safety how someone should react when they are being severely beaten and their attacker is telling him that he will die tonight--and is trying to grab control of a deadly weapon. Like all those limousine liberals in gated communities who want everyone except the cops to be disarmed.

There was a Democrat on FNC the other night who was opining that GZ should have just hit Trayvon on the side of his head with the gun. What a maroon.

64 posted on 06/30/2013 1:20:57 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: hoosiermama

well maybe she did


65 posted on 06/30/2013 1:42:28 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: leaning conservative

When Reagan provided her with content, she was good. When she relies on her own analysis, she sounds like a sorority girl descending from Mt. Sinai with a box of Chicklets.


66 posted on 07/01/2013 5:00:21 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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