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Paul Ryan Leading House for 'Amnesty' Deal
NewsMax ^ | June 29, 2013

Posted on 06/29/2013 1:41:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Paul Ryan, the Republican congressman and former vice-presidential candidate best known for his war on spending, is emerging as his party's leading champion of immigration reform in the U.S. House of Representatives.

With Senate passage of a sweeping immigration bill imminent, Ryan has been meeting with House conservatives to persuade them that reform of the immigration system, including a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, is an economic necessity and critical to fixing the nation's fiscal problems.

Ryan, a potential 2016 presidential contender, sees himself as a "bridge builder" between immigration advocacy groups and reluctant Republicans, he said in an interview with Reuters.

He argues that the immigration system is broken and must be overhauled. "It doesn't work for national security. It doesn't work for economic security," Ryan said.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; enforcecurrentlaws; globalist; gopestablishment; loadurgunsboys; nobill; northamericanunion; paulrino; paulryan; rino; ryan; stealingjobscitizens; traitor; un; wisconsin
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To: Jim Robinson

I am embarrassed that I stood outside in the cold, listening to Paul Ryan. I made phone calls from call centers for him and (gulp) Romney.

My Romney/Ryan shirt is now my painting shirt.

I didn’t leave the Republican party-it left me.


101 posted on 06/29/2013 6:18:43 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady (AMNESTY BY ANY OTHER NAME IS STILL A PIG WITH LIPSTICK)
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To: Jim Robinson
RINO RYAN - DTM®

[Dead To Me®]

102 posted on 06/29/2013 6:23:06 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
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To: Jim Robinson

Death wish 2016.


103 posted on 06/29/2013 6:23:55 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Gilbo_3; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RE “Wimpy” ryan just cant get enuff of the bs 10 yr plans can he ???
“I'll gladly save your SS tuesday, for 10 million WETBACKS TODAY”...

But the the budget wizard boy wonder's plan balances the budget in 10 years with NO taxes, so we have to believe him, right?

104 posted on 06/29/2013 7:28:50 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Jim Robinson

We elected you.

You screw us.

Typical behavior in 2013. :(


105 posted on 06/29/2013 7:31:29 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Jim Robinson

all they need are D’s and RINO’s to pass it

it’ll pass


106 posted on 06/29/2013 8:17:27 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Jim Robinson

Here is my issue with the whole thing and why I’m conflicted. If we don’t do this then we are left with the current system. The current system allows illegals access to federal and state benefits, a border that is not at all protected and many other issues. On the other hand I believe that we should enforce current law, go after business’ that hire illegals, and close the border.

In light of the Supreme Court and their verdicts on gay marriage I feel like there is no better option, I realize that’s surrendering but I just don’t see any other hope.


107 posted on 06/29/2013 8:17:30 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Jim Robinson

Who next? They’re all showing themselves as RINOs and fools. I sincerely hope the voters make all these a$$*&^#@ pay with the loss of their seats in the next election.


108 posted on 06/29/2013 8:57:44 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Jim Robinson

What I fail to hear is enforcing the current Laws on the books. Hey, Paul, what’s MORE unenforced crap going to give us??


109 posted on 06/29/2013 9:13:11 PM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: i_robot73

Funny how the bills in the senate and the house have been championed almost 100% by republicans. Once they become law and the general public realizes that its a total sham, the democrats will just blame it on the republicans.

Its brilliant! Lucy with the football yet again...


110 posted on 06/29/2013 9:21:01 PM PDT by bigtoona
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To: bigtoona

You’re prob. still ref: low-info. voters....on BOTH sides.

Unfortunately, the DEM camp votes in lock step. The GOP, for the most part, do the same.

It’s those of us that (can) see past the party affiliation that make the difference.

I was, one of few, who didn’t vote for the (D) or (R) presidential ticket, as I saw not a dimes worth of difference between the two Liberals (but, OH, listen to the howls of the (R) plantation, even here)

If there is one thing the DEMs are good for, is keep their plantation still on the plantation. I have YET to hear of anything BUT lip-service from the opposition party


111 posted on 06/29/2013 9:35:50 PM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Not only did this scumbag Ryan use the term “undocumented immigrants”....

Long before Romney picked him for VP, Ryan voted for TARP, expressed a desire for “means testing” for social security (in other words, changing the rules many years after you were forced to pay into that giant Ponzi scheme), and he expressed support for adoption of children by homosexual couples.
To hell with this guy.


I did hear him advocate means testing and eliminating certain deductions during the election and it sounded like tax increase on the wealthy....no wonder Romney lost!


112 posted on 06/29/2013 9:43:14 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: bigtoona

Contemplating things further, it’s not ‘funny’ in the least.

Congress passes ‘law’ upon ‘law’ that is never enforced, but expects, every 2 years, for the suckers to pony up $$ to re-elect the same son-of-bitches that allowed SOME (Animal Farm reference: Pigs) to get away with ‘murder’ (violate our intimation laws, reduce our wages (unskilled), document fraud for SS, W-2, etc.).

Hey, GOP, since you’re ‘posed to represent ME, and those that put you into office...What do *I* get in this deal? Greater unemployment? Reduced wages? A Rule of Law that is pandered? Disenfranchisement of those that PAY taxes?


113 posted on 06/29/2013 9:54:31 PM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree!


114 posted on 06/29/2013 10:12:25 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Wonder to what extent this reflects interest of the really big Republican money, which largely favors heavy immigration out of thirst for cheap labor. At any rate, I doubt he’d have ever had much of a chance at winning the nomination in 2016. He lacks charisma and there’s something vaguely creepy about him. Seems frivolous, I suppose, but a good number of voters base their decision heavily on charisma and personality.


115 posted on 06/29/2013 10:59:10 PM PDT by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Almondjoy
Here is my issue with the whole thing and why I’m conflicted. If we don’t do this then we are left with the current system.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the current system. If they enforced current law, there would be a fence and deportations would be rapid and sure. They would be defending States from the invasion, deny anchor baby status. They would arrest people using stolen SSN# and jail then deport them.

But if you are naive enough to believe they will enforce new laws better than they do the old ones, then God help us all.

116 posted on 06/29/2013 11:47:58 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Screw Paul Ryan and the horse he rode in on! What a TOOL for the RATS!


117 posted on 06/29/2013 11:50:19 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: frnewsjunkie

Watching Cruz very closely after being stabbed in the back to many times.


118 posted on 06/30/2013 12:02:24 AM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: Jim Robinson
I almost hate to say this, but, this is smelling like a single party rule
being set up to take over our political system. These jackboots
need to be stopped at all costs. Just damn!
119 posted on 06/30/2013 12:05:25 AM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: Jim Robinson

It would seem that the mental defect found in all Democrats is actually resident in nearly all who enter politics. For some, it isn’t fully developed so the brains allow them to lean conservative for a short while. Then, it is possible that close proximity to others with the defect causes it to “bloom”.


120 posted on 06/30/2013 4:16:01 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Jim Robinson; Syncro

For crying out loud.
What the HE// is the matter with this IDIOT?
TRAITOR!!!!
He’s no different from McCain!!!


121 posted on 06/30/2013 4:18:24 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Olog-hai

Perfect analogy. And what do our political elites know that we don’t? Nothing. They’ve gone native.


122 posted on 06/30/2013 4:25:32 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Jim Robinson
Paul Ryan, the Republican congressman and former vice-presidential candidate best known for his war on spending, is emerging as his party's leading champion of immigration reform in the U.S. House of Representatives.

I typically don't consider Newsmax a reputable source of information, so I'm couching my words carefully here.

If this is true, and we'll find out very quickly if it is, then Paul Ryan ought to be primaried right out of the House of Representatives. No if's and's or but's about that.

IIRC, he and Romney lost his own district in the last election, so eliminating him via Primary Challenge shouldn't be that hard. I cannot imagine the people of Wisconsin (of either party btw..) being very happy with Ryan advocating for making millions of criminal illegal aliens - legal. Wisconsin has its own unemployment issues - pockets of that state are still in pretty bad shape - even in Ryan's own district, so I can't imagine this is going to sit very well with them.

123 posted on 06/30/2013 4:45:12 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Jim Robinson

We need help on our side from one of the conservative legal foundations/outlets. On our side we simply say, “it’s in there, just believe us that the immigration bill is amnesty and it does these nasty things that lead to unforeseen consequences”, but we don’t point to those in the bill. There is no thread on Freep which points to those. I am trying to convince people that the $5k penalty is in there, that it will do this and that, but no where does our side point to these things so we can copy and paste and send them to people we’re trying to convince. Does anyone know where we can find the “bad areas in the bill”?

1. Please don’t link me to the whole bill; most browser search engines won’t work; I’ve tried it, even in Adobe.
2. Don’t point me to other Freep threads where people assure me it is as bad as advertised; I already know that and the source for these sections of the bill are outside Freep and I am hoping to find them. The problem is the left, low info voters, simply believe the lying CBO even though they were off on 0blummercare by 300% or so and it is guilty until proven innocent on our side and opposite for the left.


124 posted on 06/30/2013 5:36:31 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (“To learn who rules over you, simply find out whom you are not allowed to criticize.” ~ Voltaire)
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To: Theoria

"Ya can never trust a TARPer."

Yep.

Paul Ryan in 2008: ‘Heaven help us’ if TARP bailout package not approved

125 posted on 06/30/2013 7:56:53 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yet another one who sounded great on the campaign trail but proves himself to be another party hack when it comes to governing. That seems to be the rule today: campaign hard-right, govern left, especially when it comes to immigration.


126 posted on 06/30/2013 8:17:44 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: itsahoot

No I’m not naive enough to believe that. But you are wrong that there is nothing wrong with the current system. The current system includes the piece that none of it is enforced.


127 posted on 06/30/2013 9:03:40 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: elhombrelibre

Don’t give him credit for naivte. He’s bought and paid for.


128 posted on 06/30/2013 9:48:51 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Jim Robinson

Wisconsin does have a recall process - ReCall Ryan- Sorry I live in MI so I can not do it.


129 posted on 06/30/2013 10:27:06 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Almondjoy
The current system includes the piece that none of it is enforced.

Exactly, and they won't enforce new laws either, since the President seems to have the authority to ignore laws passed by congress, and make up laws on his own.

130 posted on 06/30/2013 11:20:49 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: shalom aleichem

Thank you for explaining the process to me. I understand now why it is necessary for the Speaker to bring the Senate bill to the floor for a vote and vote it down.


131 posted on 06/30/2013 11:23:29 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: Olog-hai

-— Bridges to the liberals will be burned by the liberals once the usefulness of the bridge builder is deemed to be used up. -—

Someone as smart as Ryan can’t be this dumb. Whatever else is going on, it ain’t good.

If this is passed, I’m done with the Dem-Lite Party.


132 posted on 06/30/2013 11:27:09 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Oh, it’s definitely not about being dumb. It’s far more nefarious than that.


133 posted on 06/30/2013 11:27:51 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: usconservative

FYI...Lyin’ Ryan was recently on Mark Levin’s show touting this Amnesty bill. He and Mark got into a good back and forth on it. I don’t have all of the details of that discussion, but I do know Ryan’s voice went up about 3 octaves and his words were coming out pretty fast. Mark had no part of it.


134 posted on 06/30/2013 11:28:38 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Those "republicans" (John McCain, Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan...etc) who are out there claiming that the GOP needs to vote for Amnesty to get on the good side of Latinos are implying that the GOP is bigoted against the Hispanic people. Shame on them for conceding such a fable to the democrats! Their speeches will be used in future democrat ads.

They are NOT on our side.

Let's not wait until 2014 or 2016 for 3rd party candidates...

We need a gang in both houses, a gang that includes Senator Cruz and whoever else is on our side in the Senate. This gang needs to draw a line in the sand and threaten to switch parties RIGHT NOW and become independent if this BS continues from the GOPe. I know the dems already control the Senate but let them control it even more without OUR participation and give them the House.

With enemies like the DNC who needs the GOPe?

135 posted on 06/30/2013 11:37:46 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: headstamp 2
The Open Borders Lobby has found its “Rubio” in the House. Prepare to hear his voice on talk radio commercials for months.

Wonder what he'll be saying on Telemundo vs. the English language stations.

136 posted on 06/30/2013 11:41:08 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Bombard Ryan with phone calls, e-mails, typed letters, hand-written letters, marches, and rallies. He is blind and thinks he is fighting for some just cause; beware of a true believer like Ryan when it comes to this amnesty.


137 posted on 06/30/2013 11:46:26 AM PDT by Windy City Conservative
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To: Jim Robinson

Does Wisconsin have a recall mechanism.

What’s funny about this, is that as he tries to sell this debacle, I wonder how many of his constituents know what will happen to them? Correct me if I’m wrong, but how long will it take for the business owners up there in Wisconsin to realize that with all the cheap labor coming across the border and not having to worry about obamacare penalties, will they continue to employ the born and bred locals? Gonna be lots of folks out of work there and all over the place if he’s successful.

He really is quite arrogant, though. It’s like he thinks he’s better than anyone else because he ran with Romney. What a sellout.


138 posted on 06/30/2013 12:33:09 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Almondjoy

But, Almondjoy, if our immigration system and its laws were actually enforced they way they were designed we wouldn’t be in this position. If they were given access to our state and federal bennie’s, they’d have no reason to come here. Also, if we had an immigration policy similar to say, Mexico’s or anywhere else, we wouldn’t be in this position. Its not your fault or my fault that they live in a 3rd world hell hole. They have industry, auto plants, factories and piles and pile of US dollars pouring in every day. And they still can’t get it right.

An old college friend went to Australia after graduating. He and I played lacrosse together. At the time there was a program for guys that wanted to go down there and play. They would get a short term visa, 3 months I think. After that, they had to leave. Anywho, he was having the time of his life so he called to get it extended. Aussie’s told him no, that if he wasn’t on a plane by the time he needed to be, they would come after him and deport him. He came back. That’s the way it is in most places, why can’t it be the same way here.


139 posted on 06/30/2013 12:42:04 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: publius911
"Or it may be simply a special sensitivity to closet skeletons. Or maybe some of their family members have been threatened"

For the love of everything that is holy, can we please stop with this meme that conservative traitors really want to vote like conservatives but Obama has a file on them. Or worse that their family is being held hostage to buy their votes. It's cartoonish immature thinking like that which leads to branding Free Republic a kook site. We can do better than this.

140 posted on 06/30/2013 1:01:21 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Jane Long

Thanks, that’s all I needed to hear. Time to primary Ryan’s ass out of Congress.


141 posted on 06/30/2013 1:43:05 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: shalom aleichem; All
This is the Trojan Horse. Boehner should take up the Senate bill and vote it down, or blue slip it as being unconstitutional. Either way kill it.

Email/fax/phone Boehner and ALL R Reps up for re-election in 2014 and tell them this!!

House Republicans up for re-election in 2014 -
(* designates vulnerable/toss up):

AZ:
AZ 4 Gosar
AZ 5 Salmon
AZ 6 Schweikert

AR:
AR 1 Crawford
AR 2 Griffin
AR 3 Womack
AR 4 Cotton

CA:
CA 1 LaMalfa
CA 4 McClintock
CA 8 Cook
CA 10 Denham
CA 21 Valadao*
CA 22 Nunes
CA 23 McCarthy
CA 25 McKeon
CA 31 Miller*
CA 39 Royce
CA 42 Calvert
CA 45 Campbell
CA 48 Rohrbacher
CA 49 Darrell Issa
CA 50 Duncan D. Hunter

CO:
CO 3 Tipton
CO 4 Gardner
CO 5 Lamborn
CO 6 Coffman*

FL:
FL 1 Miller
FL 2 Southerland
FL 3 Yoho
FL 4 Crenshaw
FL 6 DeSantis
FL 7 Mica
FL 8 Posey
FL 10 Webster
FL 11 Nugent
FL 12 Bilirakis
FL 13 Young
FL 15 Ross
FL 16 Buchanan
FL 17 Rooney
FL 19 Radal
FL 25 Diaz-Balart
FL 27 Ros-Lehtinen

IL:
IL 13 Davis*

IN:
IN 2 Walorski

IA:
IA 3 Latham

KY:
KY 6 Barr

MA:
MA 1 Andrew P. Harris

MI:
MI 1 Beneshek* MI 3 Amash MI 7 Walberg MI 11 Bentivolo

MN:
MN 2 Kline

NE:
NE 2 Terry

NV:
NV 3 Heck

NJ:
NJ 2 LoBiondo
NJ 3 Runyan
NJ 5 Garrett

NY:
NY 11 Grimm
NY 19 Gibson*
NY 23 Reed

OH:
OH 6 Johnson
OH 7 Gibbs
OH 14 Joyce*
OH 16 Renacci

PA:
PA 7 Meehan
PA 8 Fitzpatrick
PA 12 Rothfus

TN:
TN 4 DesJarlais

VA:
VA 1 Wittman
VA 2 Rigel
VA 4 Forbes
VA 5 Hurt
VA 6 Goodlatte
VA 7 Eric Cantor
VA 9 Griffith
VA 11 Connolly

Vulnerable Dems up in 2014:

AZ 1 Kirkpatrick
AZ 2 Barber
FL 18 Murphy
FL 26 Garcia
NH 1 Shea-Porter
NC 7 McIntyre
TX 23 Gallego
UT 4 Matheson

142 posted on 06/30/2013 1:51:25 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Jim Robinson
a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, is an economic necessity and critical to fixing the nation's fiscal problems.

This is so literally CRAZY it's impossible to know where to begin.

It is not an economic necessity to make any immigrant, legal or illegal, a citizen. Ever.

It will not only not FIX the nation's fiscal problems, it will make them worse. A lot worse. For a long time.

How can a serious person repeat words like these?

143 posted on 06/30/2013 1:54:19 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: dadfly

ah. the house rubio.


Excellent!

We have the making of a new noun and verb:)
Some ideas for definions?

What is a “house rubio?” hypocrite? turncoat? wolf-in-sheep’s clothing?

What is the verb “to rubio?” to mislead? to deceive? to bait and switch?


144 posted on 06/30/2013 2:15:30 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: mosesdapoet

THAT HAS A FINE OF $5000 FOR ANY EMPLOYER WHO HIRES A CITIZEN OVER AN ILLEGAL ..


Woah, I had not heard that. Sadly not surprised. Can you send links where you got all this info—I really would like a succinct analysis that points out some of these “gems” buried in the bill!


145 posted on 06/30/2013 2:54:52 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: mosesdapoet

Ah, never mind. I found the link on FR...Ted Cruz exposes the Amnesty....


146 posted on 06/30/2013 3:04:16 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: bushwon

Cut the krap...Look up Ted Cruz in FR’s it’s there several postings.


147 posted on 06/30/2013 3:05:23 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: mosesdapoet

WTH do you mean “Cut the krap!” Thanks for being so helpful...NOT.

Geez, I was just asking, I had not seen it. Have a nice day fellow freeper!


148 posted on 06/30/2013 3:09:33 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: bushwon

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Paul Ryan Leading House for ‘Amnesty’ Deal, :
to my response his request for sources: To look up Ted Cruz as the unattributed source of my comment of the $5000 fine for employers who do not prefer illegals in hiring in the senate amnesty bill
bushwon wrote “WTH do you mean “Cut the krap!” Thanks for being so helpful...NOT.”
It still stands, Now if Cruz is a liar I’d like to know as well as I think everybody else. So far nobody has questioned it. Not even either senator (Kirk RINO/ Durnban DC demo-com from Illinois who are both supporting the bill.


149 posted on 06/30/2013 3:35:11 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: mosesdapoet

I honestly don’t understand what is your problem, and I am really sorry I even asked—I will note not to ask you or comment on your posts ever again.

Wow, feel like I need to defend myself....I just wanted a good, concise source (if you had one) as I had not heard and you wrote a quite lengthy post on the whole subject....Figured you might have time to provide a link as I was not up to speed because I had been doing seminar for past 2 days and just peaked a little bit on FR. Oh when I logged on today, I read “my posts” first which noted Paul Ryan’s position as I am on Wisco ping list. I had not seen Ted Cruz or anything about a $5000 fine.

No idea why you got so huffy about it. I wasa not/don’t dispute you or Ted Cruz. Just really sorry I even replied to you. Big waste of time and energy and surprising considering your profile.


150 posted on 06/30/2013 3:55:26 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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