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Bring Back Birtherism? GOP Rep. Says Congress Should Revisit Questions About Obama’s ‘Validity’
Mediaite ^ | June 18, 2013 | Andrew Kirell

Posted on 06/22/2013 1:58:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Appearing on TruNews talk radio this week, Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) agreed with host Rick Wiles that Congress ought to revisit questions about the validity of President Obama’s birth certificate in light of the recent scandals involving the Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Justice.

After Wiles and Rep. Duncan discussed their desire to pursue and deport illegal immigrants, rather than extend the possibility of citizenship to them, the host asked if the House has any intention to also “pursue Barack Obama’s phony identification papers.”

At first, Duncan shied away from directly addressing the so-called “birther” concerns, simply adding that Americans had a chance to vote Obama out in November and, in his belief, regrettably didn’t do so. Wiles then asked: “If we know they are lying about all these other things, why not go back and say ‘Well, maybe the first scandal was a lie too?’”

“There you go,” Duncan agreed. “I’m all with you. So let’s go back and revisit some of these things because Americans have questions about not only the IRS scandal but also about the president’s validity.”

Throughout Obama’s presidency, various conspiracy theories have arisen about his birth certificates, including the belief that the long-form certificate publicly released in 2011 was a forgery using image-editing software. Though these so-called “birther” beliefs have been out of the news in recent months, they still seem to hold weight with some of the president’s political opponents.

Listen below, as clipped by RightWingWatch:

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: anydaynow; birthcertificate; cerifigate; certifigate; congress; duncan; jeffduncan; naturalborncitizen; obama; thistimeforsure
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1 posted on 06/22/2013 1:58:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Timely.


2 posted on 06/22/2013 2:06:13 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

OMG! I’m agreeing with you - how did that happen?


3 posted on 06/22/2013 2:08:43 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When it comes to our modern government the following is not a bad idea: Question Everything.
4 posted on 06/22/2013 2:09:47 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think that it is possible to “revisit” an issue that has never been visited. Congress has never held a hearing on Barack Obama’s eligibility.
Obama announced his candidacy on February 10, 2007.

The House of Representatives did pass a non-binding resolution in the 111th Congress in 2009 which contained a “whereas” clause naming Hawaii as the birthplace of the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama [House Res. 593] but there was no debate or discussion.

It would be great if a House Committee Chair would agree to conduct an inquiry. Committee Chairs have congressional subpoena power akin to judges’ court orders and testifying witnesses are placed under oath.


5 posted on 06/22/2013 2:13:16 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: presently no screen name
OMG! I’m agreeing with you - how did that happen?

It's a wondrous creation full of possibilities we live in.

6 posted on 06/22/2013 2:13:59 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Ping!


7 posted on 06/22/2013 2:14:42 PM PDT by basil (basil --Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: humblegunner

As good a time as any. Sheriff Joe, paging Sheriff Joe.


8 posted on 06/22/2013 2:16:17 PM PDT by V K Lee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Alinskyite ridicule machine fires up.


9 posted on 06/22/2013 2:18:39 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Abercrombie Shocked At Failure To Discover Obama Birth Certificate

Revelations of close friend of Hawaii Governor contradict official claim that privacy laws prompted Abercrombie to abandon search

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, January 26, 2011

http://www.prisonplanet.com/abercrombie-shocked-at-failure-to-discover-obama-birth-certificate.html


10 posted on 06/22/2013 2:22:18 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, they better HURRY UP!!

WHY the RUSH???

Just a few felony crimes that will be waived for ILLEGAL aliens under Immigration Bill S.744:

‘Falsely representing or knowingly using a Social Security Number obtained with false information’

‘Falsely claiming citizenship on Form I-9’

‘Knowingly altering a Social Security Card’

‘Document fraud to prove eligibility for employment’

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/06/immigration-bill-waives-felony-document-fraud.html

Comment at site may say it all: “Isn’t Barack Obama subject to charges for all of these offenses? Maybe that’s why the immigration bill is getting the ultra-fast track treatment; maybe evidence of his ineligibility is mounting toward levels which can no longer be ignored.”


11 posted on 06/22/2013 2:24:09 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It isn’t like we have a whole lot of anything left to lose at this point....


12 posted on 06/22/2013 2:28:04 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Messiah is gonna have protection in the Amnesty Bill for his OWN past Criminal Behavior, and will become a U.S. Citizen with it.


13 posted on 06/22/2013 2:28:36 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Duncan is the chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight, Investigations, and Management of the Committee on Homeland Security. As such he should be able to schedule them. So when are the hearings on Obama going to start?


14 posted on 06/22/2013 2:31:17 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; Seizethecarp; Ladysforest; GregNH; ckilmer; stockpirate; SunkenCiv; ...

Ping!!!


15 posted on 06/22/2013 2:35:36 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: humblegunner

OH no! I’m agreeing again. Stop it! ;)


16 posted on 06/22/2013 3:11:32 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Nero Germanicus
The Diversion Continues.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

17 posted on 06/22/2013 3:36:37 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Congress should force 0bama to step down while he is being investigated and before he is carted off to GITMO as a TREASONOUS usurper.


18 posted on 06/22/2013 3:47:04 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Jesus, Please Save America!)
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To: ASA Vet

That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. However the courts have ruled exactly the opposite of your personal opinion.

Rhodes v MacDonald, US District Court Judge Clay D. Land: “A spurious claim questioning the president’s constitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment, but a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.”—US District Court for the Middle District of Georgia, September 16, 2009.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19809978/RHODES-v-MacDONALD-13-ORDER-denying-3-Motion-for-TRO-granting-8-Motion-to-Dismiss-Ordered-by-Judge-Clay-D-Land-on-09162009-CGC-Entered-0

Ankeny v Daniels, Indiana: “Based on the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the United States are ‘natural born citizens’ for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”—Indiana Court of Appeals, November 12, 2009
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf

Taitz v Obama (Quo Warranto) “This is one of several such suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen, as is required by the Constitution. This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”— Chief US District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth, US District Court for the District of Columbia, April 14, 2010
http://www.scribd.com/doc/30040084/TAITZ-v-OBAMA-QW-23-MEMORANDUM-OPINION-dcd-04502943496-23-0

Tisdale v Obama, US District Court Judge John A. Gibney, Jr.: “It is well settled that those born within the United States are natural born citizens.”— Tisdale v Obama, US District Court of the Eastern District of Virginia, January 23, 2012.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82011399/Tisdale-v-Obama-EDVA-3-12-cv-00036-Doc-2-ORDER-23-Jan-2012

Farrar et. al., Welden, Swensson and Powell v Obama: “For the purposes of this analysis, the Court considered that Barack Obama was born in the United States. Therefore, as discussed in Ankeny, he became a citizen at birth and is a natural born citizen. Accordingly, President Barack Obama is eligible as a candidate for the presidential primary under O.C.G.A. under Section 21-2-5(b). February 3, 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/80424508/Swensson-Powell-Farrar-Welden-vs-Obama-Judge-Michael-Malihi-s-Final-Order-Georgia-Ballot-Access-Challenge-2-3-12

Allen v Obama, Arizona Superior Court Judge Richard E. Gordon: “Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”—Pima County Superior Court, Tuscon, Arizona, March 7, 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/84531299/AZ-2012-03-07-Allen-v-Obama-C20121317-ORDER-Dismissing-Complaint

Purpura & Moran v Obama: New Jersey Administrative Law Judge Jeff S. Masin: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.” April 10, 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/88936737/2012-04-10-NJ-Purpura-Moran-v-Obama-Initial-Decision-of-ALJ-Masin-Apuzzo

Voeltz v Obama, Judge John C. Cooper, Leon County, Florida Circuit Court Judge: “In addition, to the extent that the complaint alleges that President Obama is not a “natural born citizen” even though born int he United States, the Court is in agreement with other courts that have considered this issue, namely, that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purpose, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”—September 6, 2012
http://judicial.clerk.leon.fl.us/image_orders.asp?caseid=77182640&jiscaseid=&defseq=&chargeseq=&dktid=57485906&dktsource=CRTV


19 posted on 06/22/2013 3:53:34 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Throughout Obama’s presidency, various conspiracy theories have arisen about his birth certificates, including the belief that the long-form certificate publicly released in 2011 was a forgery using image-editing software.
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The above isn't a “conspiracy”. It is a **FACT**!

BIG difference!

20 posted on 06/22/2013 4:27:18 PM PDT by wintertime (Yuri Besmenov was a prophet.)
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To: Nero Germanicus

I suppose it really comes down to the location of Obama’s birth, doesn’t it, Nero? If he was born on US soil, he’s good to go; if he was born elsewhere, then he’s not a natural born citizen (age of mother was insufficient to confer citizenship under applicable US law).

So, was Obama born in Hawaii as he says now, or was he born in Kenya as others, almost certianly including himself by way of his own publicist, have claimed?


21 posted on 06/22/2013 4:40:10 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: humblegunner

Just so happens that the immigration bill gives pardons to any illegal who forged documents. Sheriff Joe just submitted evidence to an Alabama court showing Obama’s birth certificate is forged.


22 posted on 06/22/2013 4:45:06 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: humblegunner

I think the focus should remain on NSA, Benghazi, Rosen, AP, Fast & Furious kind of debacles.

Birtherism would be a distraction from things with real traction.


23 posted on 06/22/2013 5:11:44 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: dinodino

What Barry says about his place of birth is pretty much irrelevant. He was too young at the time to know where he was born.
“The state of Hawaii has said that the President was born there, that’s good enough for me.””—John Boehner, Speaker of the House of Representatives.

The state of Hawaii has issued six official verifications for his birth there plus two governors, one Republican and one rat, have confirmed those verifications.

I would absolutely LOVE an official grand jury investigation and a congressional investigation to resolve this issue once and for all but no prosecutor and no congressional committee chair seems interested.


24 posted on 06/22/2013 5:20:47 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

Please don’t bother quoting Boehner—I care even less what he says than I do about what Obama says.

Obama’s own publicist, again, said for 16 years that Obama was born in Kenya. Other authors represented by the same publicist testified that they provided their own biographical details to the publicist, at the publicist’s insistence. The simple inference is that Obama himself claimed to be born in Kenya for sixteen years.

Like you, I would love an investigation. I would not hold my breath waiting for the useless, waste of skin Mr. Boehner et al. to get around to it. However, for posterity’s sake, the truth needs to be determined.


25 posted on 06/22/2013 5:52:48 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

It doesn’t really matter what you or I think of Boehner, its what influence he has over congressional committees and possible investigations/hearings that matter. That’s the relevance of his statement.
There were ZERO objections to the certification of Obama’s electors in 2008 and in 2012 which means that no member of Congress was willing to stand up and take this issue on.
If Congressman Duncan thinks that this issue should be [re]visited, he is a sub-committee chairman of a relevant committee, HE could convene hearings beginning in his sub-committee.


26 posted on 06/22/2013 6:10:14 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: xzins
"I think the focus should remain on NSA, Benghazi, Rosen, AP, Fast & Furious kind of debacles.

Birtherism would be a distraction from things with real traction."

So just because an criminal act doesn't get "traction" (what, in the media?), it shouldn't be investigated and prosecuted? The focus needs to be on ALL of them. To hell with what the Obammunist lickspittle media call us, we want to get to the bottom of this hoax once and for all!

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

27 posted on 06/22/2013 6:14:39 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: wku man

Disagree. The others have traction.

This one doesn’t. It hasn’t really gotten anyplace in 6 years. It’s a distraction.


28 posted on 06/22/2013 6:23:37 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
It hasn't gone anywhere because the people who could have pushed it have chickened out or have been threatened/cowed into silence by the Obammunists. If the people who could do something showed some backbone, like Ed Snowden did, maybe this greatest affront ever to the Constitution could gain some traction. Even if it didn't in the lamestream Obammunist lickspittle media, it would pi** off enough on our side to start doing something about it.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

29 posted on 06/22/2013 6:34:45 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: wku man
If the people who could do something showed some backbone,

I have become convinced that those you speak of are dirty, to the point that they will not stir the pot. Their power and money has perverted them. I sure wish it weren't true but I believe that it is.

30 posted on 06/22/2013 7:59:46 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Nero Germanicus
The state of Hawaii has issued six official verifications for his birth there plus two governors, one Republican and one rat, have confirmed those verifications.

This isn't true. Parsed news releases and letters of verification that don't comply with their own state laws are from being "official verifications" of anything.

31 posted on 06/22/2013 9:22:16 PM PDT by edge919
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Congress has let some terrible things happen to this country under Obama. Their silence and inactivity are equal to dereliction of duty


32 posted on 06/23/2013 3:31:55 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: edge919

Has any state, court or act of Congress successfully challenged any of those verifications?

Former Governor Lingle of Hawaii:
“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”


33 posted on 06/23/2013 4:47:15 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

You haven’t addressed the biographies. The simplest explanation is that Obama himself claimed to be born in Kenya. It’s high time for a hard look at Obama’s history.


34 posted on 06/23/2013 10:38:53 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

More than a year before the publisher’s promotional bio for Obama’s never published book was written there were articles in major newspapers about Obama becoming the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review. Those articles which were written in advance of the “born in Kenya” error named Hawaii as Obama’s birthplace.

Here’s a link to the February 6, 1990 New York Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html

And the March 20, 1990. Los Angeles Times article which also names Hawaii as Obama’s birthplace.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2008/09/barack-obama-ha.html

There were also articles in the Washington Post and the Chicago Tribune which also say “Hawaii.”

The woman who actually wrote the 1991 promotional bio (Miriam Goederich) has said that it was her mistake. I have no reason to doubt her.


35 posted on 06/24/2013 12:24:50 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

You are being disingenuous when you describe this as “the 1991 promotional bio.” In fact, there were four versions of this bio, as it was continually updated, and was used from 1991 into early 2007.

I have every reason to believe that the publicist was told by Obama and his handlers to change it and to claim it was her mistake. You are too credulous.


36 posted on 06/24/2013 3:19:02 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Nero Germanicus

I can provide the same number of citations from popular press claiming that Obama was born in Kenya.

I believe that Obama has lied about his place of birth. He either lied in the past to gain financial advantage, or he’s lying now. Either way, he’s a fraud and needs to be held accountable.


37 posted on 06/24/2013 3:22:23 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

In the six plus years since February 10, 2007 when Obama first announced that he was running for president, no one has been able to convince a single congressional committeee chair; any local, county, state, federal judge or Supreme Court Justice or any of the 51 (including Washington DC) chief election officials of the states (usually Secretaries of State or Lieutenant Governors) that he was not born in Hawaii.
Here’s a link to 26 different references to Obama being born in Hawaii:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/96756764/Barack-Obama-Was-Born-in-Hawaii


38 posted on 06/24/2013 9:48:19 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

You are not listening to what I am writing: I am not saying Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii! I am saying that he LIED. He is either lying now, or was lying then. He is a fraud and a liar and this needs to be investigated. Perhaps you do not think that potential financial aid and selective service fraud by the President are not serious enough crimes to warrant investigation, but I do.


39 posted on 06/24/2013 3:30:31 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

That should have been, “are serious enough,” not, “are not serious enough.”


40 posted on 06/24/2013 3:31:02 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Nero Germanicus
In the six plus years since February 10, 2007 when Obama first announced that he was running for president, no one has been able to convince a single congressional committee chair; any local, county, state, federal judge or Supreme Court Justice or any of the 51 (including Washington DC) chief election officials of the states (usually Secretaries of State or Lieutenant Governors) that he was not born in Hawaii

Oh....I think most are convinced that something shady has occurred but no one has the backbone to stand up and announce the necessity for an investigation. Not being convinced and being afraid of your own shadow (racism accusations) are two different things.

Regardless, Obama fails to qualify as his (stated) father was a British subject. As such.....he is not a "Natural Born Citizen". If his birthplace was indeed Hawaii.....he is only a "Native Born Citizen".

Constitutionally....."Native Born Citizens" are ineligible to be the "Commander in Chief".

This is so elementary that most grade school students knew this 50 years ago when the Constitution was still being taught in our public schools.

41 posted on 06/24/2013 3:48:34 PM PDT by Diego1618 (Put "Ron" on the Rock!)
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To: Diego1618

A number of courts have issued verdicts declaring that Barack Obama IS a natural born citizen and no court has ever ruled that he isn’t.
Here’s a couple of examples:
Purpura & Moran v Obama: New Jersey Administrative Law Judge Jeff S. Masin: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.” April 10, 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/88936737/2012-04-10-NJ-Purpura-Moran-v-Obama-Initial-Decision-of-ALJ-Masin-Apuzzo

Allen v Obama, Arizona Superior Court Judge Richard E. Gordon: “Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”—Pima County Superior Court, Tuscon, Arizona, March 7, 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/84531299/AZ-2012-03-07-Allen-v-Obama-C20121317-ORDER-Dismissing-Complaint


42 posted on 06/24/2013 4:19:36 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: dinodino

That politicians lie to advance their careers is not news.


43 posted on 06/24/2013 4:20:58 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

Crimes by a sitting President are news. Sorry if that’s inconvenient for you.


44 posted on 06/24/2013 4:23:24 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

Allegations only become crimes when they are charged and prosecuted. No one has filed criminal charges against Obama. Every legal action against him has been a civil suit.


45 posted on 06/24/2013 4:34:55 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
A number of courts have issued verdicts declaring that Barack Obama IS a natural born citizen and no court has ever ruled that he isn’t.

Barack Obama is a "Native Born Citizen" (if he was born in Hawaii). So was "Wong Kim Ark" (being born in the U.S.) whose parents were also not U.S. Citizens.

Constitutionally...it is not where you were born but to whom you were born that identifies your "Natural Born Status". The fact that some courts can't even get this through their heads is a remarkable testament to the complete ignorance of some legal minds we must contend with in this country.

This "Dog and Pony Show" about a stupid birth certificate is nothing but a diversion. His father was a British subject. His birth status is determined by that simple fact! He could have been born in the lobby of Independence Hall in Philadelphia..... on the 4th of July....with the Marine Corps band playing "God Bless America" outside on the lawn. Any 5th grader prior to 1955 would have been able to tell you he was still......not a "Natural Born Citizen" because of his father's British Citizenship! The Constitution was still taught in those days in our public schools.

46 posted on 06/24/2013 4:57:05 PM PDT by Diego1618 (Put "Ron" on the Rock!)
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To: Nero Germanicus

Interesting legal theory you have there, but in fact, a crime is a crime as soon as it is committed. Is it your assertion that a murder is not a crime until the murderer has been charged and prosecuted?


47 posted on 06/24/2013 5:12:34 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

Have you ever heard of manslaughter? Justifiable homicide? The various degrees of homicide? Self-defense? Sometimes what looks like murder turns out to be suicide. Just because someone has died under suspicious circumstances doesn’t automatically make it murder until there is a law enforcement investigation and a criminal complaint is issued, usually through an indictment by a grand jury.
Here in America, all alleged defendants are entitled to the have the burden of proof in criminal allegations fall to the government. It is a constitutional principle that requires the government to prove the guilt of a criminal defendant and relieves the defendant of any burden to prove his or her innocence.
Barack Obama doesn’t have to prove that his birth certificate isn’t forged, the government (city, county, state or federal) must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is forged. The first step in that process is to conduct a formal law enforcement (or congressional) investigation.


48 posted on 06/24/2013 5:53:42 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Diego1618

As I said, the courts have ruled Barack Obama to be a NATURAL born citizen, not a native born citizen.


49 posted on 06/24/2013 5:56:49 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

I didn’t say anything about Obama’s birth certificate—you did. I said that I want to know why Obama’s publicist said for 16 years that he was born in Kenya! I want an explanation. The other authors represented by the same publisher said that they were asked to provide their own biographical details. This was not a typo, nor was it a fact-checking error—this was a case of Obama lying to his publicist and claiming to be born in Kenya.

I want to know where else he lied. Did Obama claim foreign birth in order to receive financial aid during college? I suspect the answer is yes, and that would mean Obama is guilty of felony fraud. You may not think this is a big deal but many Americans, including myself, would disagree with you.


50 posted on 06/24/2013 6:17:24 PM PDT by dinodino
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