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George F. Will: There's more, much more, to the Lois Lerner story
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 6/12/13 | George F. Will

Posted on 06/12/2013 6:03:07 PM PDT by rhema

Edited on 06/12/2013 6:11:01 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- As soon as the Constitution permitted him to run for Congress, Al Salvi did. In 1986, just 26 and fresh from the University of Illinois law school, he sank $1,000 of his own money, which was most of his money, into a campaign to unseat an incumbent Democratic congressman. Salvi studied for the bar exam during meals at campaign dinners.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: georgewill; irs; irsscandal; loislerner; obama; salvi
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1 posted on 06/12/2013 6:03:07 PM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema

Right now Obama remains untouchable, so we should focus our attention on his minions, such as Lois Lerner. Keep the heat on them and some of them will crack and start talking about how Obama is throwing them under the bus.


2 posted on 06/12/2013 6:08:21 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: rhema; neverdem; Blurblogger; CyberCowboy777; bigfootbob; rockrr; 4woodenboats; Lexinom; ...

How is it this woman is not behind bars instead of collecting a salary for not working and getting awards from the DNC and liberal media?


3 posted on 06/12/2013 6:09:53 PM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep one hand on my shoulder and the other over my mouth.)
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To: rhema
she also is a national security problem, because she is contributing to a comprehensive distrust of government.

Here's where Will and I part company. Distrust of government is not a problem. It's a GOOD thing. That is a healthy thing. That is an AMERICAN thing.

4 posted on 06/12/2013 6:10:33 PM PDT by DManA
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To: rhema

bookmark


5 posted on 06/12/2013 6:11:33 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: rhema

Often it is easy to find something in George’s stuff that is a little squishy. This is not the case here. His is a good hard blow that “will leave a mark” coming from an old establishment “conservative” commentator, or what passes for one at the top of the media heap.

Go George.


6 posted on 06/12/2013 6:11:46 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: rhema

Even George Will is getting worried.

This is what an impending constitutional crisis looks like.


7 posted on 06/12/2013 6:12:00 PM PDT by SE Mom
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To: Baynative

Get in time machine back there in 1961 and come back to 2013.


8 posted on 06/12/2013 6:12:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: rhema
Lois Lerner proves the danger of letting folks with schizophrenia be employed. Sure, she can work, but it's the voices in her head that drive her to do somebody else's work! (/s)

BTW, I knew people like this in government employment ~ they don't help a customer to deal with a problem that's in the way, but come a deadline, they'll cut'em off at the knees. Imagine the worst accident adjustor you've ever met ~ now multiply that by 10X.

Lois needs to be prosecuted.

9 posted on 06/12/2013 6:12:24 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red STATE Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: rhema

A little progress. At least George Will has finally acknowledged that the major problem is the MSM.


10 posted on 06/12/2013 6:12:37 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: rhema
Government requires trust.

No, government requires distrust and eternal vigilance against usurpers. Like our Founders wrote into our operating manual.

11 posted on 06/12/2013 6:13:26 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: rhema

The above essay by George Will, and others like it, is one of the various reasons that those he writes about wish to control the internet and stifle such dissemination of information.


12 posted on 06/12/2013 6:15:00 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: rhema

I just read this. George Will is usually witty but diplomatic. This piece reads as if he is almost seething in anger. His conclusion is almost identical to what I heard Glenn Beck saying over the last few days and to Erick Erickson’s comments this evening about the autocratic left’s obsession with data (and the similarity to Robert McNamara’s operations research “Whiz Kids”).

When Noonan and Will start sounding like Glenn Beck and Rush, things are shaking up.


13 posted on 06/12/2013 6:15:12 PM PDT by magellan
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To: rhema

Ping


14 posted on 06/12/2013 6:15:58 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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We citizens are not supposed to worry about the “trust us” bureaucracies. It’s the job of our “representatives” to ensure that an equitable relationship exists between the taxpayers and the services provided through taxation.

I’m #ing tired of looking past the grossly irresponsible legislative and funding bodies only to point fingers at the results of their incompetence, lies, and betrayal.


15 posted on 06/12/2013 6:16:49 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: rhema

Not until a special prosecutor is appointed to really investigate and prosecute perjury will the truth come out. Lerner will stonewall to the end of Obama’s term and will become a left wing mythical hero.However she would fold quick if an real criminal investigation found she routinely violated Federal civil rights laws and faced some hard time in a cell with Bubbette.


16 posted on 06/12/2013 6:19:22 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Baynative

So many “scandals.” It’s really a bum rush, an all-out multi-front assault on the Republic. The fact that the assault is so pervasive helps its success.

Who is going to put Lerner in jail? Holder? If it wern’t so tragic I’d laugh.


17 posted on 06/12/2013 6:19:55 PM PDT by henkster (The 0bama regime isn't a train wreck, it's a B 17 raid on the rail yard.)
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To: penelopesire; maggief; SE Mom; thouworm; MestaMachine; Army Air Corps

Lois Lerner’s history


18 posted on 06/12/2013 6:20:58 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: SE Mom

Will sees a time soon where the “consent of the governed” is withdrawn?


19 posted on 06/12/2013 6:28:29 PM PDT by dmcnash (Back off! I'm a Scientist.)
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To: rhema

Put her in jail and throw away the key.


20 posted on 06/12/2013 6:33:56 PM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: rhema
The case against the NSA is: Lois Lerner and others of her ilk.

Precisely. I am more than a little appalled at William Kristol for dismissing the linkage as irrelevant. Nothing could be less true. If we are to trust the federal government with the incredible power the NSA possesses we must be certain that it will never fall into the hands of party cheats and thugs such as Lerner. The IRS also was supposed to be safeguarded by the sort of oversight the NSA has; the abuses happened anyway, shamelessly, openly, and without consequence.

It's very simple. The corruption must be cleansed and the guilty imprisoned before we go one step further with the NSA databases. That has to be communicated to the Executive loudly, clearly, and without any compromise. Or we really are looking at a police state and this thing gets violent.

21 posted on 06/12/2013 6:34:39 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: allendale
Sorry, Lerner will shortly find out what Scooter Libby found out ~ aging Jewish apparatchiks in the federal government are exceptionally expendable.

They'll toss her like yesterday's garbage ~ same as they did Scooter ~ it'll be BIPARTISAN!

22 posted on 06/12/2013 6:38:00 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red STATE Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: All

the other shoe has been dropping in this IRS story for a long time.


23 posted on 06/12/2013 6:39:19 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: rhema
Those courageous country club Republicans may—may!—go so far as to discuss this topic; taking more action than chatting, however, is absolutely out of the question for that bunch.
24 posted on 06/12/2013 6:40:12 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: rhema
Never forget their are two enemies mentioned in the oath of office for the military, law enforcement officers, and the legislative, judicial, and executive branches of government. Foreign and domestic. Need I say anything more?
25 posted on 06/12/2013 6:41:08 PM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: dirtboy

Love your country, question your government.


26 posted on 06/12/2013 6:41:38 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: rhema

These people are not behind bars because the media no longer reports on corruption, especially perpetrated by the democrats. But let a conservative sneeze in public and there is a conspiracy around it. Not only that, but as right now, people are not demanding ANYTHING in light of the various scandals. If we are going to be silent, then they are going to do with us as they want without impunity. The outcry has to come from us. Until about 4 weeks ago, I was writing my senators almost daily about some issue. Then we were caring for a parent with no internet access.

My senators don’t bother responding, which tells me that I must be the “lone ranger” in letter writing so they don’t need to bother responding to me. If, on the other hand, there were a lot of letters, I thinks they’d have made it to the mics to let us know that they are listening. We need to find another way to get SOMEONE to listen to us.


27 posted on 06/12/2013 6:42:46 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: rhema

Liberals are dangerous. Very dangerous. This anecdote is just one more piece of evidence.


29 posted on 06/12/2013 6:50:47 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: rhema

bump


30 posted on 06/12/2013 6:52:03 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: rhema; dirtboy; All
Thoughts worth considering:

"Although all men are born free, and all nations might be so, yet too true it is, that slavery has been the general lot of the human race. Ignorant – they have been cheated; asleep – they have been surprised; divided – the yoke has been forced upon them. But what is the lesson?... The people ought to be enlightened, to be awakened, to be united, that after establishing a government they should watch over it." - James Madison

"A well-instructed people alone can be permanently a free people." - James Madison

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison

"To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea."

"Posterity! you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it." - John Adams, Letter to Abigail Adams, 1777

"[Our Departed Ancestors] task (and nobly they performed it) [was] to possess themselves, and through themselves, us, of this goodly land; and to uprear upon its hills and its valleys, a political edifice of liberty and equal rights; 'tis ours only, to transmit these, the former, unprofaned by the foot of an invader; the latter, undecayed by the lapse of time and untorn by usurpation, to the latest generation that fate shall permit the world to know. This task of gratitude to our fathers, justice to ourselves, duty to posterity, and love for our species in general, all imperatively require us faithfully to perform. How then shall we perform it? At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide." - Abraham Lincoln, January 27, 1838

"An enlightened people, and an energetic public opinion... will control and enchain the aristocratic spirit of the government." --Thomas Jefferson to Chevalier de Ouis, 1814. ME 14:130

Finally, from Thomas Jefferson's First Inaugural:

"Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities.

"About to enter, fellow-citizens, on the exercise of duties which comprehend everything dear and valuable to you, it is proper you should understand what I deem the essential principles of our Government, and consequently those which ought to shape its Administration. I will compress them within the narrowest compass they will bear, stating the general principle, but not all its limitations.
= Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political;
- peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none;
- the support of the State governments in all their rights, as the most competent administrations for our domestic concerns and the surest bulwarks against antirepublican tendencies;
- the preservation of the General Government in its whole constitutional vigor, as the sheet anchor of our peace at home and safety abroad;
- a jealous care of the right of election by the people—a mild and safe corrective of abuses which are lopped by the sword of revolution where peaceable remedies are unprovided;
- absolute acquiescence in the decisions of the majority, the vital principle of republics, from which is no appeal but to force, the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism;
- a well disciplined militia, our best reliance in peace and for the first moments of war, till regulars may relieve them;
- the supremacy of the civil over the military authority;
- economy in the public expense, that labor may be lightly burthened;
- the honest payment of our debts and sacred preservation of the public faith;
- encouragement of agriculture, and of commerce as its handmaid;
- the diffusion of information and arraignment of all abuses at the bar of the public reason;
- freedom of religion;
- freedom of the press, and freedom of person under the protection of the habeas corpus, and
- trial by juries impartially selected.
These principles form the bright constellation which has gone before us and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation. The wisdom of our sages and blood of our heroes have been devoted to their attainment. They should be the creed of our political faith, the text of civic instruction, the touchstone by which to try the services of those we trust; and should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty, and safety."
- Thomas Jefferson


31 posted on 06/12/2013 6:53:11 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: rhema

Years ago I thought that Mr. Will was about as good a writer as we conservatives had on our side. I began to have my doubts during the term of George the 1st. The last straw for me was when he attended the much touted dinner that was put on for so called “conservative journalist” just after the was coronation.

There is one thing that has always bugged me. Why is it that I can see through fake facade that liberals/progressives always present to the public and the idiots in the press? You can send a snake to the finest schools, teach him manners and dress him a in a $2000.00 3 piece suit, but he is still a snake.

How could George Will, who is a lot better educated than I am, not see that the man is snake?

After he attended that dinner, I wrote Will off completely. I have not read another article of Will’s since then and I have never watched him on the ABC Sunday show.(The fact is, I don’t even know the name of the show and really don’t care to know the name). (I feel the same about Peggy Noonan)

This is the first article of his that I’ve read since then. Maybe there is hope for him after all. We will see.


32 posted on 06/12/2013 7:12:18 PM PDT by yellowhorse (6 good horses, 3 good women)
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To: Baynative

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 06/12/2013 7:53:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: rhema

I think President Obama is a thin-skinned, paranoid, intellectual light-weight and he attracks a similar type of person into his circle-Enter Lois Lerner.

Still, as a black-man, President Obama wears a teflon shield that few politicians have ever enjoyed in this country. He can get away with a lot and he does get a way with a lot. He’s damn near untouchable as his ability to survive scandal after scandal clearly indicates. He’s ‘Big Brother’ and the Dems love him.

I’ve always believed that the Dems are wrong in their political philosophy, but under Obama and in their old age, they’ve turned especially vindictive. Their arguments have not taken hold and they’ve turned mean with the realization that time is running out for their generation.

In short, the children of the 60’s—the ones who tossed Nixon out of office—have now clearly become the monster they so dispised.

40 years ago, the motto was, “Don’t trust anyone over 30.” Today, the motto should morph into, “Don’t trust anyone over 60.”

I don’t love Big Brother


34 posted on 06/12/2013 7:56:14 PM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: rhema

Hey georgie porgie... you came out of your coma!

LLS


35 posted on 06/12/2013 8:11:07 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: rhema

Will misses the mark. The founders did not. They knew we should always distrust the government. It is made up of fallible people who will always eventually abuse their powers. The more power, the more money, the more abuse.

So Lerner is just the face of the inevitable. Anyone who thinks her sin is that she causes people to mistrust the government has completely misdiagnosed the problem.


36 posted on 06/12/2013 8:21:46 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Mustangman

Good, no, GREAT insight.


37 posted on 06/12/2013 8:22:51 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: txhurl

Not many will get this:

Mustang sends


38 posted on 06/12/2013 8:24:52 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: henkster
So many “scandals.” It’s really a bum rush, an all-out multi-front assault on the Republic.

I call it the Scandalanche.

39 posted on 06/12/2013 8:33:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rhema

Georgie boy, using that androgen gel again I see.


40 posted on 06/12/2013 8:39:50 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: rhema
Lerner, it is prudent to assume, is one among thousands like her who infest the regulatory state. She is not just a bureaucratic bully and a slithering partisan; she also is a national security problem, because she is contributing to a comprehensive distrust of government.

I'd say tens of thousands, and growing every day.

No one should ever trust a leftist and the Federal government since the Jimmy Carter days has been totally infested with leftists.

To them, power is all about rewarding friends and punishing enemies. They could give a s*** less about the Republic.

41 posted on 06/12/2013 8:46:28 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: dmcnash

Well now, see, with Holder controlling all the various hammers at Justice, and Fascist freaks like Lerner running regulatory bodies of the fed, and dykes like Nappy Pole dancer commanding a growing army of thugs at little barry bastard boy’s disposal, the rulers really don’t give a damn whether you and I give our consent. We are ruled now, our consent is no longer necessary, as the pirate Roberts The Shameful has demonstrated in authorizing unconstitutional laws reaching the level of open tyranny.


42 posted on 06/12/2013 8:51:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Guillotines from orbit, it’s the only way to be certain.


43 posted on 06/12/2013 8:54:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: DManA
Good catch. Will exposes himself here as the beltway dinner party denizen he is.
44 posted on 06/12/2013 9:04:31 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Baynative

Behind bars?

I can’t believe she’s still breathing!

How many livelihoods can you threaten or ruin before somebody goes over the edge?


45 posted on 06/12/2013 9:18:10 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: rhema

Lois Lerner’s despicable reputation precedes her at the IRS. She did the same intimidating dirty work at the FEC before switching her criminal activity to the IRS. She’s more than a liberal bureaucrat. She’s a DemoRAT party political operative within the agencies of the government performing their dirty tricks against their political opponents. This lady needs to go to jail for the federal laws she has violated in the name of the US government.


46 posted on 06/12/2013 9:29:00 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: TexGrill

There is a reason he is untouchable. Many in the MSM are married to either people in his office or another liberal politician.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/media-administration-deal-with-conflicts/2013/06/12/e6f98314-ca2e-11e2-8da7-d274bc611a47_story.html

The list of prominent news people with close White House relations includes ABC News President Ben Sherwood, who is the brother of Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, a top national-security adviser to President Obama. His counterpart at CBS, news division president David Rhodes, is the brother of Benjamin Rhodes, a key foreign-policy specialist. CNN’s deputy Washington bureau chief, Virginia Moseley, is married to Tom Nides, who until earlier this year was deputy secretary of state under Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Further, White House press secretary Jay Carney’s wife is Claire Shipman, a veteran reporter for ABC. And NPR’s White House correspondent, Ari Shapiro, is married to a lawyer, Michael Gottlieb, who joined the White House counsel’s office in April.


47 posted on 06/12/2013 9:40:34 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Fortunately, libs aren’t so good about staying married to the same person for the rest of their lives. Just wait until divorces start popping up and then more scandals are going to emerge.


48 posted on 06/12/2013 9:45:35 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: rhema

Weak.

Since when is trust in the government a good thing?

We should trust that rules and laws are fairly, evenly and impartially enforced and conformed to.

That those organization that have the power to say “No” do so with no partisan animus.

But, knowing that man is what man is we must always fight the tensions between us of Republican ideals which may not always suit others and Democrat ideals which likewise are not envied attributes of say, my team.

Then again, the rules and laws ought to be such that we can correct mistakes like the covert partisans and remove them as barriers to real fairness:

“That are treated equal under the law and the laws are equally enforced so that no man is diminished because of the or elevated above another despite them.”

Hell, I think I just wrote something special there...or maybe I am remembering someone else’s writing by wrote.


49 posted on 06/12/2013 9:56:48 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Baynative

yeah, Lois is not behind bars but that guy who made that YouTube video has been sitting in a cell for 9 months now. It’s all so crazy.


50 posted on 06/12/2013 10:17:30 PM PDT by uncitizen (our liberties and freedom are in danger of being taken away forever! Speak out NOW!)
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