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Paul Ryan: ‘I will debate anybody’ who says immigration bill is ‘amnesty’
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Posted on 06/12/2013 2:27:40 PM PDT by Windy City Conservative

"Earned legalization is not amnesty," Ryan said during a forum on immigration sponsored by the National Association of Manufacturers. "I will debate anybody who tries to suggest that these ideas that are moving through Congress are amnesty. They're not. Amnesty is wiping the slate clean and not paying any penalty for having done something wrong."

Ryan pointed to provisions baked into the Senate bill from the beginning that require those in the United States to pay a fine, back taxes, undergo background checks and enter a years-long probationary period before earning citizenship, a process that can take up to 15 years.

"That," Ryan said, "is not amnesty."

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 4sale; aliens; amnesty; amnesty4sale; deathtoamerica; immigration; paulryan; paulryanwho; rino
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To: Windy City Conservative

I used to like Paul Ryan. That was back in the day before he went stark raving mad.


51 posted on 06/12/2013 2:59:37 PM PDT by Gritty (Our Government is erecting a panopticon state that sees everything, regulates everything-Mark Steyn)
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To: Windy City Conservative

How can it not be amnesty when you don’t charge a person with the crime committed, and you let them stay?


52 posted on 06/12/2013 3:02:23 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Windy City Conservative

I am ready to debate...bring it on Amnesty Liberal


53 posted on 06/12/2013 3:02:50 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Don't Blame Me For La Raza Rubio....I Voted For Alex Snitker)
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To: Windy City Conservative

The sound you hear when Ryan flaps his gums is the sound of House Republicans folding like a cheap tent.


54 posted on 06/12/2013 3:02:53 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Earned?

How did they ‘earn’ it? They came over the border ILLEGALLY or overstayed their visas.

Earned legalization?

A few years ago, you politicians were calling it ‘regularization’.

No matter how you try to fancy up the terminology, it is still AMNESTY. It grants special privilege to those who broke the law, and in the situation of foreigners coming into the country without green card status, it is AMNESTY.


55 posted on 06/12/2013 3:04:56 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Why are the GOP committing suicide-by-amnesty?

Even McCain admits the newly legalized foreigners will not vote Republican.


56 posted on 06/12/2013 3:07:09 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Windy City Conservative
I'll be glad to debate Paul.

My first question to be debated: Since the federal government under Bambi has decided NOT to prosecute illegals who enter or overstay their visa, plus they decided to selectively NOT enforce laws on the books that they don't like, particularly concerning current immigration laws, why would you trust these same people to enforce border security measures?

57 posted on 06/12/2013 3:08:14 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: TomGuy

“Why are the GOP committing suicide-by-amnesty?”

Can’t help but wonder how many may have been PRISMed.


58 posted on 06/12/2013 3:13:20 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Irenic
I think I hear Ryan’s phone ringing, I think it’s Mark Levin...

Levin just said he did call Ryan's office, but was told Ryan 'is unavailable.'

[The little weasel is hiding.]
59 posted on 06/12/2013 3:14:16 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: BlatherNaut
Can’t help but wonder how many may have been PRISMed.

Perhaps recorded when on the phone with their off-shore bankers.


60 posted on 06/12/2013 3:16:15 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Windy City Conservative
"Earned legalization is not amnesty," Ryan said.

The term "earned legalization" is such a non-sensical farce one doesn't need to go any further. But he is right about one thing.

The immigration is not amnesty, it is numerous amnesties: amnesty for illegal entry, amnesty for document fraud (s), amnesty for illegal use of SS numbers, amnesty for lying on job applications, amnesty for lying in many cases where the true identity is hidden, amnesty for driving without a license, amnesty for failing to pay all taxes, and who knows how many other amnesties for other crimes.

61 posted on 06/12/2013 3:16:36 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Windy City Conservative

“Ryan pointed to provisions baked into the Senate bill from the beginning that require those in the United States to pay a fine, back taxes, undergo background checks and enter a years-long probationary period before earning citizenship, a process that can take up to 15 years. “

* They get to vote tomorrow.

* They don’t have to go back to their home nations.

Yeah, they are rewarded with citizenship because they broke the law.


62 posted on 06/12/2013 3:16:57 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: TomGuy

hahahaha! Knew it! Levin wouldn’t miss that invite! hahahaha!


63 posted on 06/12/2013 3:22:14 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Windy City Conservative
Senator, please start this discussion by telling us all why we no longer secure our border as required by the Constitution.

Also, please explain why the so-called "Sanctuary Cities" are tolerated and even encouraged by state and local governments, as their very existence would seem to be in direct violation of the Constitution, as well as a violation of your sworn oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.

Senator, why is it unreasonable to conclude that we are no longer a Constitutional Republic or that all of this is just for show, to keep the sleeping giant soundly sleeping?

64 posted on 06/12/2013 3:22:55 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Ryan is a coward, 1st class. He won’t go on Mark Levin’s radio show!


65 posted on 06/12/2013 3:23:38 PM PDT by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

“I will debate anybody who tries to suggest that these ideas that are moving through Congress are amnesty.

i guess he refuses to debate Mark Levin,because according to Mark Ryan was invited on his program this evening and his spokes-idiot said he wouldn’t be coming on.

so what’s up with that?Ryan.


66 posted on 06/12/2013 3:28:11 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

What has happened to us????


67 posted on 06/12/2013 3:28:45 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: Windy City Conservative

Mark Levin is unloading on Paul Ryan big time right now for this, ripping into him like I never heard Mark unload on a “Friend” like this before. Good job Mark, I hope Marco Rubio is next.


68 posted on 06/12/2013 3:29:48 PM PDT by Reddon
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To: Windy City Conservative

Ryan, do you realized they are already voting in huge numbers?? This bill will triple that vote - all for dems.


69 posted on 06/12/2013 3:33:06 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: exit82
but Ryan played MidWest polite, when he should have thrown it back at Biden and called him out on being a putz and for for flinging false facts.

I know what you mean, we're playing polite "civility" while these people are engaged in an all out war.

I'd say we best wake up, but what the use.

Damn this is so frustrating.

70 posted on 06/12/2013 3:33:09 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rats vs. GOPe = Same train, different speed.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

FUPR.

End of debate.


71 posted on 06/12/2013 3:33:15 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Ryan turned out to be just another snake in the grass. Conservatives have no representation at the federal level whatsoever. Immigration is nothing more than a bargaining chip politicians use to bribe big agra, big chicken, and big hotel. We are shit to them, and the sooner we come to grips with that, the better.


72 posted on 06/12/2013 3:34:17 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Windy City Conservative

They all have multiple identities. How many times do you think they sign up for benefits like food stamps, welfare?


73 posted on 06/12/2013 3:36:10 PM PDT by Singermom
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To: molson209
Obama will add Amnesty just before he signs it .

I was going to post "no can do" but then I came back to 2013 reality.

74 posted on 06/12/2013 3:37:21 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rats vs. GOPe = Same train, different speed.)
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To: exit82
You know, the guy that whipped your @ss in the VP debate.

Not even the guy, the clown who you should have handily kicked his ass.

75 posted on 06/12/2013 3:38:22 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Hattie
I am convinced they are systematically being blackmailed, threatened and having their family members threatened.

Ever listen to Beck tell his stories of how they would indirectly threaten his wife?

it is always the same story--COWARDICE enables the communist revolution. Every time.

76 posted on 06/12/2013 3:40:21 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

The immigration process begins in the home country of the would be immigrant not in the host country after having illegally crossed the border. To imply that “immigration” has anything to do with illegals is a code-word for Amnesty and to refuse to admit that is just OUTRIGHT dishonest.

Paul Ryan has either LOST the debate or he is a LIAR.


77 posted on 06/12/2013 3:42:47 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: All

Tell him what you really think...

https://twitter.com/RepPaulRyan

https://www.facebook.com/reppaulryan


78 posted on 06/12/2013 3:45:00 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Windy City Conservative

I’ve never trusted this guy or Rubio. Total fakes.


79 posted on 06/12/2013 3:46:32 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The Republican Party is dead. Let's not pretend otherwise.)
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To: tsowellfan
The immigration process begins in the home country of the would be immigrant not in the host country after having illegally crossed the border.

I love it when a freeper makes one statement that is like a friggen atom bomb.
80 posted on 06/12/2013 3:47:10 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Windy City Conservative

Oh, and BTW Paul and Marco - they BREAK the law now. What are you going to do when they break your new law?

Deport them? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You’ll probably just write a “new Immigration Reform Bill” that will “fix it this time for sure”. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

These guys egos are ruling their logic. A true sign of an idiot.


81 posted on 06/12/2013 3:48:54 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The Republican Party is dead. Let's not pretend otherwise.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Illegals all have multiple identities. How many times do you think they sign up for benefits like food stamps, welfare?


82 posted on 06/12/2013 3:50:23 PM PDT by Singermom
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To: All

https://www.facebook.com/MarcoRubio?fref=ts

https://twitter.com/marcorubio


83 posted on 06/12/2013 3:50:35 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Heh.

Be glad to, Paul. Anytime. My place is best. Be sure to bring plenty of good beer and a crying towel, because I will easily rip your positions apart and point out your lies for all to see with little effort.

Oh, and I’ll arrange to have a live web feed so all can see an overweight, middle aged goofball wearing an aloha shirt and flip-flops make you look like the inside-the-Beltway, Statist puke you truly are.

Contact me via freepmail.

Toodles.


84 posted on 06/12/2013 3:51:32 PM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: Windy City Conservative

And you will lose.


85 posted on 06/12/2013 3:52:38 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: BlatherNaut
“Earned legalization is not amnesty,” Ryan said. Trying to bamboozle us with not-so-clever semantics?

Well, they tried Hewitt's made-up term "regularization" to replace "amnesty". That didn't fool anybody -- now this.

86 posted on 06/12/2013 3:52:39 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: Windy City Conservative

As a Wisconsinite, I don't believe I'll be supporting Paul Ryan in his next primary. The kool-aid Mitt Romney was serving was apparently too tasty for him. Ryan has lost his way.


87 posted on 06/12/2013 3:53:48 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Windy City Conservative

Anything that begins with entering the country illegally is not “earned.”


88 posted on 06/12/2013 3:56:49 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: glennaro

“A path to citizenship”

My grandfather who sailed here legally from Italy in 1910 came here with nothing, had to promise he would not be a burden to society and died withOUT American “citizenship”.

Citizenship is an option, not a requirement to immigrate to the USA

I doubt you can force an immigrant to pledge allegiance to the United States... heck even classrooms have been forced to stop that with American born children.

Path to citizenship? What a crock. It does not pass the smell test and it certainly will not win in a court of law in 2013. Rubio and Ryan know this too.


89 posted on 06/12/2013 3:57:45 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Windy City Conservative

No sir, it is not amnesty. It is a Reward for Criminal behavior. Illegally entering the homeland of another is criminal behavior.


90 posted on 06/12/2013 4:36:59 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: Wallace T.
Neither is Rand Paul, whose state is not much affected by illegal immigration.

KY is chock full of illegals, esp. during soybean and tobacco harvest. That is the only reason to explain Paul's insane stance on this bill.

91 posted on 06/12/2013 4:54:20 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Ryan - dead to me
Rubio - dead to me
Jeb - dead to me

Graveyard of RINOS


92 posted on 06/12/2013 5:22:37 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

“That,” Ryan said, “is not amnesty.”

Oh I don’t know break the law get rewarded by being able to stay here ahead of those that didn’t break the law seems like amnesty to me. I guess it depends on the meaning of the word “is” like Clinton


93 posted on 06/12/2013 5:29:16 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Windy City Conservative

Obama is not going to do any of that. He will legalize them all, register them Democrat to vote and put them on welfare, before the next election.

There was an article today about how DHS was rushing through amnesty requests and did not have time to do background checks.

Ryan must have been born yesterday or he thinks we were.


94 posted on 06/12/2013 6:57:07 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Wallace T.

We are getting to the point where every state is a border state. Here in VA we have turned purple and will be blue in a decade thanks to immigration. And NC is not far behind.


95 posted on 06/12/2013 8:31:20 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Windy City Conservative

Ryan, the illegals will not be voting for the republicans

after you sign them into legal status.


96 posted on 06/12/2013 9:08:27 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Windy City Conservative

Yeah, Mark Levin offered Ryan air time tonight, but Ryan was busy.

Busy being weak!

There is no leadership, just buffoon on top of buffoon!


97 posted on 06/12/2013 10:49:32 PM PDT by Bshaw (,A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Ryan - dead to me Rubio - dead to me Jeb - dead to me Graveyard of RINOS

You forgot: ayotte, brewer, christie, graham, king, mccain, rogers

98 posted on 06/13/2013 5:22:48 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: BlatherNaut

coming soon to a turdworld state near you!

“Calif. bill would let non-citizens serve on juries”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3012457/posts


99 posted on 06/13/2013 11:46:32 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Windy City Conservative
Debating is TALKING the TALK.

What we're seeking is SOMEONE who WALKS the WALK.

Debate your mama Ryan.

100 posted on 06/13/2013 2:19:45 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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