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Is Your Food Being 'Poisoned'?
Townhall.com ^ | June 11, 2013 | Chuck Norris

Posted on 06/11/2013 3:59:23 AM PDT by Kaslin

The Oxford English Dictionary defines "poison" as "a substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed."

The legal definition of the term is "any product or substance that can harm someone if it is used in the wrong way, by the wrong person, or in the wrong amount."

The medical condition of poisoning is even broader: It can be caused by substances that are not even legally required to carry the label "poison."

Therefore, can food become poisonous? Of course it can if it is infected, tampered with or altered in any way that causes it to become detrimental to its consumer. In fact, that's what we call "food poisoning."

But what about the genetic engineering, tampering or alteration of our food supply? If it causes bodily harm, even over the long haul, could that be considered poisoning?

I call again to the stand Dr. George Wald, a Nobel laureate in physiology or medicine and one of the first scientists to speak out about the dangers of genetically engineered foods. He explained: "Recombinant DNA technology (genetic engineering) faces our society with problems unprecedented, not only in the history of science, but of life on the Earth. ... Now whole new proteins will be transposed overnight into wholly new associations, with consequences no one can foretell, either for the host organism or their neighbors. ... For going ahead in this direction may not only be unwise but dangerous. Potentially, it could breed new animal and plant diseases, new sources of cancer, novel epidemics."

Last week, I discussed the dangers of genetic engineering to crop seeds and other foods. As a response, one of the readers of "C-Force," my weekly health and fitness column, asked, "What do you think are the best ways to avoid GMOs when they aren't even labeled on food ingredients?"

Let me tell you how I responded.

First, contact your governmental officials, and ask them to endorse or support legislation that requires food companies to start listing whether their products use GMOs.

At least 14 states have introduced legislation on genetically modified ingredient labeling, but most face government gridlock. So take action, and keep foods safe (non-genetically engineered) by contacting your state and federal representatives -- as well as the Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Department of Agriculture -- and tell them to legislate that genetically modified ingredients be labeled on every package.

Ask your federal representatives to support the new federal labeling bill, the Genetically Engineered Food Right-to-Know Act, which would require the food industry to label all genetically engineered foods and ingredients. In addition, tell your representatives that corn and cotton must not be deregulated, because without strict controls, genetically engineered crops will encroach on non-genetically engineered crops, contaminating them and rendering the organic crops as nonorganic.

The biggest question is: How can we best avoid genetically modified ingredients in our food and elsewhere?

Here are the best ways that I've discovered from GMO and nutrition specialists and resources:

--Educate yourself and your loved ones about GMOs from credible articles, books or videos, such as those mentioned on the websites below or YouTube's "Genetically Modified Organism (GMO) -- Myths and Truths."

--Keep up-to-date about anti-GMO trends, legislation and action items by frequenting websites such as the one for the Center for Food Safety, another great GMO watchdog organization (http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org).

--Download the "ShopNoGMO" smartphone app at http://NonGMOShoppingGuide.com or visit http://NonGMOproject.org to help you locate and avoid genetically engineered ingredients wherever you shop.

--Buy certified-organic and local foods. USDA organic and Non-GMO Project Verified products cannot intentionally include GMO ingredients.

The USDA explains: "The use of genetic engineering, or genetically modified organisms (GMOs), is prohibited in organic products. This means an organic farmer can't plant GMO seeds, an organic cow can't eat GMO alfalfa or corn, and an organic soup producer can't use any GMO ingredients. To meet the USDA organic regulations, farmers and processors must show they aren't using GMOs and that they are protecting their products from contact with prohibited substances, such as GMOs, from farm to table."

The "Non-GMO Project Verified" label is the only third-party non-GMO verification program in North America. Its website (http://NonGMOproject.org) explains, "Since its incorporation in 2007, the Project has grown into a collaboration of manufacturers, retailers, processors, distributors, farmers, seed companies and consumers."

--Avoid at-risk ingredients that are now largely (roughly 90 percent) produced using GMOs, including soybeans, canola, cottonseed, corn and sugar from sugar beets. Unless sugar is labeled as organic or pure cane, it likely contains sugar from genetically modified sugar beets.

The Chicago Tribune reported, "These crops (mentioned above) often are added to processed foods as oils, sweeteners and soy proteins but also can be part of amino acids, aspartame, ascorbic acid, sodium ascorbate, vitamin C, citric acid, sodium citrate, ethanol, flavorings (natural and artificial), hydrolyzed vegetable protein, lactic acid, maltodextrins, microbial growth media, molasses, monosodium glutamate, sucrose, textured vegetable protein, xantham gum, vitamins and yeast products, according to the Non-GMO Project."

Regarding most fruits and vegetables, the Non-GMO Shopping Guide further explains: "Very few fresh fruits and vegetables for sale in the U.S. are genetically modified. Novel products such as seedless watermelons are NOT genetically modified. Small amounts of zucchini, yellow crookneck squash and sweet corn may be GM. The only commercialized GM fruit is papaya from Hawaii -- about half of Hawaii's papayas are GM. Even if the fruit or vegetable is non-GMO, if it is packaged, frozen or canned, there may be GM additives."

--Buy only dairy products labeled "certified organic," "No rBGH or rBST" or "artificial hormone-free," because some source cows are fed genetically modified feed or injected with genetically modified bovine growth hormone.

--Support and patronize grocers (and commend their management) that offer lines of organic products and eliminate GMO ingredients from their product shelves. For example, Target, H-E-B, Giant Eagle and Meijer recently joined more than 55 other food retailers -- including Trader Joe's, Whole Foods, Aldi, Marsh and Hy-Vee -- in agreeing not to sell genetically engineered fish in their stores. Whole Foods and Trader Joe's claim that all their store-brand items originate from non-GMO ingredients.


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1 posted on 06/11/2013 3:59:23 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Thanks for the head-up! Yet one other thing we can thank the NWO for....


2 posted on 06/11/2013 4:02:56 AM PDT by ransacked
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To: Kaslin

Last time I looked, GMAs look just like their unaltered brethren under a microscope.

So they aren’t objecting to GMAs since there are no facts to back up the assertion they are “poison.” They just object to the IDEA of GMAs.

If it wasn’t for emotion-laden hysteria like this we could feed every person on the face of the Earth quite cheaply. How many millions have died at the hands of these busybodies? More than Hitler and Stalin killed combined!


3 posted on 06/11/2013 4:08:04 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks for the post. I started paying attention to this kind of thing within the last year and a half.


4 posted on 06/11/2013 4:09:53 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: Kaslin

I see no problem for me.
I bicycle to the town’s market every day.
I buy fresh pork or chicken, cut or ground to my wishes.
I buy fresh veges, grown on the near-by mountains.
I live in the vegetable capital of Cebu.
I do miss a good steak, as beef is very rare here.
The only beef option is to by frozen Aussie beef.
I tried it once...It was awful.


5 posted on 06/11/2013 4:15:28 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: freedumb2003
DDT! DDT! ALAR! ALAR! GMOs! GMOs!

If you really want to find a corporation dedicated to killing its own consumers, look at governments (IRS, DOJ, NSA, etc.).

Maybe we deserve what we are getting.

6 posted on 06/11/2013 4:25:35 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (We say "low-information" but we mean "low-intelligence")
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To: Kaslin
GM crops are tested for safety before they are commercialized.

Anti-GMO advocates ignore the stringent testing regime and insistently wave the great "maybe." Despite all the testing, and despite many years of safe use, GMO's "might," or "could," in "unforeseen or unanticipated ways" cause some unspecified harm. The boogeyman is going to get you.

The same tactics, of course, can be and often are used against anything new. We see this game being played with vaccines, with new medicines, and even with powerlines, wind turbines, cellphones, etc. Something that has never been detected, something that has evaded all testing, something for which there is NO scientific evidence, "might" get you.

And therefore, yet another beneficial technology should be halted because the luddite lobby has reversed the burden of proof and has everyone out chasing the ghost. One can always demand more testing, but when testing has already been done, why? And how much is enough?

GM crop varieties are tested before being commercialized. They are, btw, also tested independently by importing countries as well. The burden of proof has been met. Unfortunately, activist groups do not incur any penalties for making false charges. That is the asymmetry that keeps these bogus issues alive; the professional critics flit from one hysterical charge to another, and the rebuttals, which rely on evidence, can never keep up with the smear artists.

7 posted on 06/11/2013 4:34:12 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: freedumb2003

freedumb2003 :

how easy it is to spot a *TROLL*


8 posted on 06/11/2013 4:41:03 AM PDT by PraiseTheLord (have you seen the fema camps, shackle box cars, thousands of guillotines, stacks of coffins ~)
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To: Kaslin
Potentially, it could breed new animal and plant diseases, new sources of cancer, novel epidemics.

Or it could have a homeopathic effect. Almost everything in the world is good and bad in various quantities and a GMO is probably not an exception.

9 posted on 06/11/2013 4:50:59 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: sphinx
GM crops are tested for safety before they are commercialized.

Some Starlink corn made it into the mass markets and on the shelves in consumer products by accident. A relative spent three sessions in the ER with what appeared to be a pesticide reaction before we figured out that one of those products was the problem. Yes, the product was contaminated with Starlink.

10 posted on 06/11/2013 4:54:12 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: freedumb2003

Sometimes these anti-GMO threads on FR make me feel like I am at Democratic Underground. They are rabid anti-GMO panic mongers too.


11 posted on 06/11/2013 4:55:00 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Codeflier

-—and sorry to see Chuck Norris on the “nut” side of the fence-—


12 posted on 06/11/2013 5:00:31 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Kaslin

sfl


13 posted on 06/11/2013 5:15:23 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: Kaslin
The legal definition of the term is "any product or substance that can harm someone if it is used in the wrong way, by the wrong person, or in the wrong amount."

Soy sauce in the news recently - poison.

Drownings prove that water is a poison.

Any food with calories is a poison, including fats because they help dissolve real carcinogens to carry them to your bloodstream, sugars because of the diabetes risk, and proteins because of potential kidney damage. Are gravitons a substance? If so, the large number of deaths by falling are proof that gravity is a poison.

14 posted on 06/11/2013 5:34:35 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Kaslin

All I’ve seen reported is that there are studies showing GMO is dangerous. There have been no studies showing are safe that I know of. I see reports of certain scientists defending GMOs, but I see no actual studies by these scientists. In fact, just the opposite in a web search for GMO studies showing they are safe ~

http://farmersforthefuture.ning.com/forum/topics/new-gmo-studies-give-further

http://www.naturalnews.com/031951_GMOs_safety_studies.html

And I suppose the naysayers believe Dr. Mercola to be a nutcase, too ~ http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/04/27/19-studies-link-gmo-foods-to-organ-disruption.aspx

http://responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers ~ with links to further negative health studies at the end.

Can anyone provide a link to an actual study showing GMOs are safe?


15 posted on 06/11/2013 5:35:33 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

“Can anyone provide a link to an actual study showing GMOs are safe?”

Here is a recent study and review:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23414177

People have been eating GM food since the 90’s and currently ~90% of corn and soybeans are GM. If there were any real problems they would have shown up by now.


16 posted on 06/11/2013 5:58:14 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: freedumb2003; Codeflier
...Last time I looked, ,GMAs look just like their unaltered brethren under a microscope.

That can't be a true statement because the GM cells contain foriegn DNA.

...since there are no facts to back up the assertion they are “poison.”...

There is a long term study on GMO's done in France. I suppose you won't like it because it's French, but it was a good, well conducted study.

Monsanto hates it because it exposes them and has attacked it with much vigor. Their own study was for a short, 90 day period. The longer French study (700+ days I think) started seeing tumors after about 120 days.

17 posted on 06/11/2013 6:01:33 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

I wonder if the American Chemical Society that put out your info has any connection to Monsanto?


18 posted on 06/11/2013 6:09:03 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: Kaslin

When actors can’t find a job they find a cause.


19 posted on 06/11/2013 6:10:19 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Kaslin
First, contact your governmental officials, and ask them to endorse or support legislation that requires food companies to start listing whether their products use GMOs.

There are GMOS that contain major modifications or additions, and there are those that do not (such as varieties of fruit that mature earlier or later to spread out production over a longer season). "Labeling" as GMO does not address this. It is an issue too complex for government to manager and cries for third-party certification and labeling.

As it is, labeling products as "containing GMO" will end up just like Prop 65 labeling in California, with the labels on virtually everything saying that 'the product contains chemicals that cause cancer,' making the act of labeling for GMO meaningless.

20 posted on 06/11/2013 6:35:33 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: sphinx

Well you enjoy. We are taking a pass. If it comes from Monsanto you know its screwed up.


21 posted on 06/11/2013 6:48:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: PraiseTheLord; freedumb2003
freedumb2003 :

how easy it is to spot a *TROLL*

It could be that I'm misunderstanding but are you calling freedumb2003 a troll? The author of this article or who?

22 posted on 06/11/2013 6:49:43 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Graybeard58

Not so easy to spot I guess... :) I had the same question as you did.


23 posted on 06/11/2013 7:44:43 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Kaslin
Just watched the movie, "Genetic Roulette". They, the scientists at Monsanto primarily, have mixed the BT toxin found in bacteria in the dirt and infused/ mixed/ bred the corn and soy with it. They bred the insect killing toxin with corn and soybean seed that kill the insect by "bursting" their belly's when they eat the DNA modified corn or soy. The pesticide is in the seed itself.

You naysayers need to watch this movie or do some more research on what happens to a human body when we eat insecticide infused corn and soy, which if you read labels are in every processed food out there. The incidences of intestinal and "gut" problems are way up compared to the incidences before the mid '90's when first introduced.

24 posted on 06/11/2013 8:00:43 AM PDT by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: sphinx

You say they are harmless but you don’t know that. They were introduced and there has been a lot of harm. You are just denying that they contribute to the harm. Since GMO corn and soybeans (which are in nearly everything we eat) were introduced to the market in the mid 90’s the rates of obesity and diabetes have exploded. In 1995 no state had an obesity rate higher than 15%. Today there is only 1 state under 20%. I understand that no one has demonstrated the exact mechanism in GMO that causes this but I think it would be foolish to ignore the relationship.


25 posted on 06/11/2013 8:07:22 AM PDT by nitzy (You can avoid reality but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.)
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To: Kaslin

Sometimes I think some FReepers would deny the sun rises in the east just because liberals say it rises in the east. I’m still on the fence on GMO foods, but err on the side of caution. I have my suspicions that it may not be the actual gene mod, but (with soy for example) the tons of Round Up that is sprayed on the crops that leaves residual that ends up in finished product and animal feed. Everyone is different and reacts in different ways to the same foods. Some people can’t tolerate dairy, some can’t tolerate gluten, perhaps there’s a segment of the population that can’t tolerate GM or certain GM foods. Wouldn’t it be nice for them if food was labelled so they could avoid it.


26 posted on 06/11/2013 8:17:37 AM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

“I wonder if the American Chemical Society that put out your info has any connection to Monsanto?”

The probably do and the article was written by someone at Dow Agribusiness. It doesnt mean the article is biased. In general the science coming out of industry on controversial subjects is often far superior to that from govt or univerities. The reason is that they know their work will be scrutinized/ attacked and therefore they go the extra mile to make it bulletproof.


27 posted on 06/11/2013 8:30:28 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: thirst4truth

No, the social acceptability of admitting you have a problem rather than hiding away at home in shame has gone up since the mid 90s. Remember when decent folk would do anything possible to hide being out of the norms, before it became a measure of PRIDE?


28 posted on 06/11/2013 8:32:21 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: PraiseTheLord

>>how easy it is to spot a *TROLL*<<

??


29 posted on 06/11/2013 9:15:15 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: tbpiper

Are you allergic to “foreign” DNA?

Which part?

Is it the A, C, T or G?


30 posted on 06/11/2013 9:18:04 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: tbpiper

>>That can’t be a true statement because the GM cells contain foriegn DNA.<<

I stand corrected. From what I know it isn’t substantially different and not in areas that would rise to “poison.”

>>There is a long term study on GMO’s done in France. I suppose you won’t like it because it’s French, but it was a good, well conducted study.<<

I am not challenging you but do you have a link? I would be interested in reading their methodology and results.


31 posted on 06/11/2013 9:21:17 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: Kaslin

We’ve been genetically modifying plants since we first started saving the largest seed to plant the next year. Since we pollinated one sub species of plant with the pollen of a plant in a different sub species.

Maybe a better definition of what everyone is up in arms about is needed?

If we’re not going to use pesticides, herbicides or let large corporate farms produce our food, who conscripts the workers to plant, weed, remove pests, harvest and store our food?

Just throwing that out there.


32 posted on 06/11/2013 9:25:04 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Codeflier
"Sometimes these anti-GMO threads on FR make me feel like I am at Democratic Underground."

It's the other way around. The political/regulator class is populated with communists who've betrayed the USA for decades to foreign communists. It's obvious to all that they control both political parties. On Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), her husband doing research for Monsanto, etc...

Lose your property for growing food? Big Brother legislation could mean prosecution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2209412/posts

Agricultural and energy markets: the last refuge for debt-sucking commies.


33 posted on 06/11/2013 9:26:35 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Kaslin
Senate bill 510 is hissing in the grass

Food Freedom
Steve Green
In 2008, Hillary Clinton, urged a powerful centralized food safety agency as part of her campaign for president. Her advisor was Mark Penn, CEO of Burson Marsteller*, a giant PR firm representing Monsanto. Clinton lost, but Clinton friends such as Rosa DeLauro, whose husband’s firm lists Monsanto as a progressive client and globalization as an area of expertise, introduced early versions of S 510. S 510 fails on moral, social, economic, political, constitutional, and human survival grounds.



34 posted on 06/11/2013 9:47:04 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: freedumb2003
This will get you started:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/15889/french-gmo-research-finds-monsanto-corn-causes-cancer-america-should-pay-attention_

http://www.criigen.org/SiteEn/

http://www.naturalnews.com/039170_GMOs_rat_tumors_Seralini_study.html

There's a quote attributed to Henry Kissinger that I'll roughly paraphrase:
Whoever controls the oil controls the nations, but whoever controls the food controls the people.

35 posted on 06/11/2013 10:21:43 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Kaslin

Humans are funny.

We don’t want Genetically Modified food for fear of poisoning, yet we don’t have any problems sucking down tons of ‘medicines’ which have lists of ‘side-effects’ such as ‘heart attack, diarrhea, vomiting, uncontrolled bowel movements, blindness, and death’.

We don’t want GMO’s but we stick needles in our arms to inject heroin.

We don’t want GMO’s but we want the ‘right’ to stick our genitals into the rectum of other humans, as well as animals.

We dont’ want GMO’s but we do insist on ‘artificial’ sweeteners.


36 posted on 06/11/2013 11:47:41 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

We don’t want GMO’s but we want ‘lactose-free’ milk.

We don’t want GMO’s but we want our MEAT artificially colored.

We don’t want GMO’s but we want TONS of additives to our McDonald’s French Fries to make them taste like something other than a potato.

(I could go on all day with examples)


37 posted on 06/11/2013 11:52:08 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: tbpiper; freedumb2003; Codeflier
That can't be a true statement because the GM cells contain foriegn DNA.

You can't distinguish unaltered DNA from foreign DNA under a 'microscope'.

We don't have a microscope powerful enough to see DNA at all. We can see chromosones, but they all look alike.

There are videos of DNA widely available on the Internet, but they are all generated through computer graphics.

38 posted on 06/11/2013 11:59:50 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Kaslin
But what about the genetic engineering, tampering or alteration of our food supply? If it causes bodily harm, even over the long haul, could that be considered poisoning?

IF is a mighty big word.

Has ANY gmo food been shown to do this POISONING effect that is being used as the boogyman in this article?

39 posted on 06/11/2013 12:21:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: freedumb2003
So they aren’t objecting to GMAs since there are no facts to back up the assertion they are “poison.” They just object to the IDEA of GMAs.

Good!

I'm not the only one who sees this.

40 posted on 06/11/2013 12:22:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Aevery_Freeman
Maybe we deserve what we are getting.

Now where on Earth would you get a crazy idea like this???




Oh...





Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


 



Yeah... we CHOICE a million a year to death and we are going to worry about GMO stuff...

41 posted on 06/11/2013 12:25:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: UCANSEE2
You can't distinguish unaltered DNA from foreign DNA under a 'microscope'.

Hush!

The unknowing thought this was important!

42 posted on 06/11/2013 12:31:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
The unknowing thought this was important!

Seems that it's not just libs/dems that are 'low information'. All of us are are deficient in knowledge in some manner, some area of 'expertise'.

It's only that we DON'T KNOW, that we are so sure we DO KNOW.

43 posted on 06/11/2013 1:01:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

Absolutely!


44 posted on 06/11/2013 2:19:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

>>The unknowing thought this was important!<<

Well, I don’t know if I was the unknowing in my response to the response — I was in a hurry since it was lunchtime.

I had what I hoped were GMA corn. I now look like the Incredible Hulk and have Spiderman’s powers.


45 posted on 06/11/2013 3:39:41 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: Elsie

>>we CHOICE a million a year to death and we are going to worry about GMO stuff...<<

We kill additional millions by starving them to death because we are uncomfortable (not most here of course).


46 posted on 06/11/2013 3:40:58 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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I now look like the Incredible Hulk and have Spiderman’s powers.

Big deal...

Mrs. ELSIE would say I've ALWAYS had these qualities.

47 posted on 06/11/2013 8:00:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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We kill additional millions by starving them to death because we are uncomfortable...

How do 'we' do this?

And WHERE???

48 posted on 06/11/2013 8:01:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

>>How do ‘we’ do this?

And WHERE???<<

The Internet really causes communications problem in its limitations on subtleties.

I was linking (accurately) the We abortionists with the We GMA extremists (THESE ARE NOT THE “WE” OF FR!).

Both have killed millions just by their wrongheaded insipid concepts. The abortionists are more in your face and the individual killers have a personal relationship with their victims: the dead babies (and they can’t avoid it).

The GMA wussies never have to actually see the agony of starvation. The people that must eat bugs and garbage.

Thus we have millions of dead babies AND millions of dead children and adults: all killed by liberal squeamishness.

My squeamishness propels me to donate to causes such as ChildFund to help alleviate suffering.

Liberal squeamishness kills children on the altar of Gaea.

Conservatives protect life and donate to causes that extend and create quality life.

It is how we roll (and I know you do too, Elsie!)


49 posted on 06/11/2013 9:31:22 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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Yup; we're in this TOGETHER!


IF My people...

50 posted on 06/12/2013 5:44:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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