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Bill Kristol On Fox News: 'Republicans Are Making A Huge Mistake' Conflating IRS And NSA Scandals
Mediaite ^ | June 9, 2013 | Evan McMurry

Posted on 06/10/2013 9:57:12 AM PDT by EveningStar

On Fox News Sunday, Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol cautioned against conflating the various Obama scandals with the new revelations of NSA surveillance.

"Conservatives and Republicans are making a huge mistake," Kristol predicted.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: billkristol; foxnews; foxnewssunday; irs; kristol; marymatalin; matalin; nsa; obamascandals
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To: peyton randolph
Hey Bill...


51 posted on 06/10/2013 10:19:48 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Lucky9teen

Quick, oligarchs, get Michael Moore to side with the leaker.
+++++++++++
You noticed. Somehow finding oneself agreeing with Michael Moore is a bit unsettling. In any case, this Odd Couple support for Snowden is causing a Civil War amongst Freepers and Consevatives. Similar things are happening on the Left I suspect. Time to checkout DU.


52 posted on 06/10/2013 10:20:01 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: EveningStar

Does somebody, somewhere have some dirt on Kristol or is he really this much of a tool?


53 posted on 06/10/2013 10:20:59 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: EveningStar

The guard dogs have been released!


54 posted on 06/10/2013 10:21:28 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: rarestia

*Sounds like a threat, Bill. Are you threatening us?*

The RINO’s need TP


55 posted on 06/10/2013 10:22:58 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: cripplecreek

Indeed. How can I buy into any “concerns” this government has about security, when they not only allow but virtually facillitate open borders? I’m rather apt to believe their notions and interest in security only involves their own corrupt political class, not that of that of the American people.


56 posted on 06/10/2013 10:25:45 AM PDT by greene66
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To: EveningStar

The surveillance programs are causing a fissure on both sides of the aisle, with Republicans in favor of stronger national security measures finding themselves in the odd spot of supporting President Obama’s programs, which are a direct continuation of Bush-era policies. These conservatives, of whom Kristol is a spokesman, see the IRS scandal as indicative of an intrusive and aggressive government, but support extensive surveillance to fight terrorism.

“National security is different from internal matters of the government,” Kristol said. “We’re dealing with foreign threats here.”

Kristol pointed out that the various NSA programs require multiple levels of court orders.


57 posted on 06/10/2013 10:26:02 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: maggief

Who they appoint...


58 posted on 06/10/2013 10:27:16 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: EveningStar

“Conflate”? The GOPe now talks just like all the mouthpieces on the Left. Who provides your talking points, Mr. Kristol? We’re on our own now, boys.


59 posted on 06/10/2013 10:28:56 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: muawiyah
Perhaps.
The POINT of course is that Obama is ruthles, and has no respect for individuals, for privacy, or for the rule of law.
Obama will abuse any information that he gets.
60 posted on 06/10/2013 10:29:10 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: EveningStar

I couldn’t believe it, but I was listening to Mike Gallagher this morning while he was interviewing Michelle Bachman, and they were both more angry at the leaker than at the government snooping!


61 posted on 06/10/2013 10:29:23 AM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: bray
How would that "mistake" have been made? How would Gingrich or Bachmann or Perry or Cain or Santorum have been elected? They all trailed Romney in polls throughout the primaries.

I doubt Kristol said electing any of them would be a mistake. It was more that they couldn't be elected (apparently Romney couldn't either, but that's another story).

Kristol has a valid point here. NSA snooping happens whoever is president. If you find some connection to the administration's political activities, there's a valid connection to the IRS scandal. If it's just NSA internal national security activity tying it in to other scandals may weaken critics of the administration.

62 posted on 06/10/2013 10:30:52 AM PDT by x
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To: x

It’s not conflation to see the IRS and NSA scandals as each being symptomatic of an out-of-control state.


63 posted on 06/10/2013 10:35:24 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: EveningStar

Therein lies the problem that has divided conservatives and libertarians. Those that worry consistently about the government snooping on them and those that also want to stop terrorists. Obama found a issue that would drive a wedge. Start spying on citizens and get both groups unhappy. Obama isn’t caring about stopping terrorism because he, underline, he Killed Bin Laden, not the Navy Seals, But he did. So he says. So the war on terror is over. And he starts using the technology to spy on others. Thus angering both sides.


64 posted on 06/10/2013 10:36:31 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: EveningStar

Shut up Bill.

They are two different scandals....but living here in 0bamaville and considering what the IRS has already done, is it such a stretch for you to see that info gathered is info shared and used against an individual or corporation?

If not, give me that blue pill you took or that pipe you’re smoking.


65 posted on 06/10/2013 10:36:37 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: peyton randolph

Maybe we should just let them get away with EVERYTHING? Right Bill?


66 posted on 06/10/2013 10:36:43 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: EveningStar

Bill Kristol is another inside the beltway pompopus elite posing as a conservative.

He is not worth reading, watching on tv or listening to.


67 posted on 06/10/2013 10:36:56 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: peyton randolph
I hate the way the term NEOCON is thrown around, but aren’t the 2 members of the Kristol family text book Neo Cons?
68 posted on 06/10/2013 10:38:34 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: stockpirate

Michael Dell...


69 posted on 06/10/2013 10:39:25 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: MNDude
I was listening to Mike Gallagher this morning while he was interviewing Michelle Bachman, and they were both more angry at the leaker than at the government snooping

They actually believe this program is about stopping terrorists when obama won't even admit a terrorist act when it happens? Disappointed in the stupid republicans. I don't even consider myself a republican any more. Strictly conservative. If the GOP is going to continue in it's losing ways, I'm just not going to vote any more. I've had it.

70 posted on 06/10/2013 10:40:03 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: EveningStar

Police State Bill Kristol can’t connect the dots to see the constitutional connection to the feds violating your rights and harassing you at the IRS based on your politics and the new political KGB spying into everyone’s private life and collecting dirt on targets for political/legal extortion down the road?

Obama has officially named his political enemies domestic terrorists for the police state and the military to focus in on. That is Tea Party people, third party voters, people organized to stop Dem. party voter fraud, constitutional activists, second amendment activists, Christians, pro-lifers, Vets, anyone speaking “hate” the glory of Dear Reader (white racists)), Islam and anal sex...

Bill is either stupid or a corrupt police state, anti-freedom, treasonous propaganda king. Your paranoid anti-terrorist policy has gone way over the top, Bill. Back off and buy a clue before that paranoid hate machine reachs out and touches you and yours. Maybe the AmKGB has dirt on Billy.


71 posted on 06/10/2013 10:40:15 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Kansas58
Obama his'sef is too stupid to do anything with any information, but he has handlers who do do those sorts of things. Recently he had no difficulty at all in finding General grade officers willing to impose manadatory homosexuality on the troops ~ those guys were there all along, biding their time, and then when 'bama came along they were ready.

But the broad scandals all dovetail neatly ~ either at the White House or in Chicago.

72 posted on 06/10/2013 10:40:48 AM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: exit82

Coulter and Sean Vanity are two others I detest. Vanity constantly refers to hard core dims are “his good friend”. I don’t have any friends all others are acquaintances that I don’t trust as far as I can throw them to speak the truth on anything.


73 posted on 06/10/2013 10:42:39 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: MNDude
Everybody’s just trying to tamp down the fire and get it under control. Not. Going. To happen. The bond of trust between the American people and their government has been irrevocably broken.
74 posted on 06/10/2013 10:42:40 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: oblomov

The problem with IRS is the 16th amendment. Get rid of the amendment that problem is solved. Anything less just pushes the pieces around on the chessboard.


75 posted on 06/10/2013 10:43:18 AM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Congratulations. You win “Most Unreadable Post” for the day.


76 posted on 06/10/2013 10:45:26 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: muawiyah

Bolton echoed those very words.

http://www.wlsam.com/common/page.php?pt=Bolton%3A+NSA+leaker+Edward+Snowden+is+guilty+of+treason&id=45663&is_corp=0

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=1201&c=5751&f=1506931

(6:30 mark)


77 posted on 06/10/2013 10:46:39 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Resolute Conservative

Rush Limbaugh....


78 posted on 06/10/2013 10:46:59 AM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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To: stockpirate
>Bill Gates quit college too, and look what happened to him.

Yep, this guy dropped out of college as well...

... still, - I think he did alright.

79 posted on 06/10/2013 10:49:12 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: EveningStar

A mistake in that the GOP started the blanket wire taps.

This could hurt the GOP.


80 posted on 06/10/2013 10:49:56 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: EveningStar

I think FOX is making huge mistake keeping this moron on thier paid staff- but that is not up to me. What is up to me is I don’t have to listen to his GOP-E drivel on thier network.
Freegards
LEX


81 posted on 06/10/2013 10:49:57 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: RoosterRedux
What’s the bottom line of that?

Official inter-departmental collaboration that's kept out of the public eye, out of the press.

Breezed over by Congress very infrequently, buried by the press.

Agreed to at the Cabinet level and implemented by the nameless bureaucracy.

You can, of course, get the original pdf by searching for the title.
82 posted on 06/10/2013 10:50:41 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Kansas58

Obama won his U.S. Senate seat by getting a Judge to OPEN or unseal confidential divorce records of his Republican opponent.
Obama has no respect for privacy.

Any Republican who does not understand this point needs to be shouted down. -————

Excellent point, and one we won’t see or hear about on the nightly news as a prime example of what can happen when someone has too much info..


83 posted on 06/10/2013 10:52:38 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: Sam Gamgee

Irving Kristol was actually called the “Godfather of Neoconservatism” by fellow neocon Jonah Goldberg.

So using the term is appropriate.

Speaking of Goldberg, he’s just like Bill...owes his GOPe status to his parents.


84 posted on 06/10/2013 10:52:56 AM PDT by peyton randolph (FUBO and his wookie beard)
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To: exit82
RE :”So anyone out here, who doesn’t try to maximize sales tax savings with the internet, is a liberal, a math failure or a rich idiot.”

I caught a few minutes of this.

She gets worse looking every year and she was ugly ~ 20 years ago when she managed GHWB campaign 1992, and that annoying voice AHHHH stop it..

Now she looks like something I expect to see in a Mummy's tomb/.

85 posted on 06/10/2013 10:53:18 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: cripplecreek

Stop making Sense.


86 posted on 06/10/2013 10:53:23 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: exit82
Mary Matalin allowed James Carville to breed.

I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

87 posted on 06/10/2013 10:54:13 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: EveningStar

I’ll play. Let’s assume Kristol is right in that they are completely unrelated. Would dems connect the dots if it were a Pub president? Of course.

At this point based on what we know about Obama we should assume the worst and make the allegations by private individuals and hacks - not politicians. Then the pub politicians should say the gravity of the allegations warrant a thorough investigation. The pub politicians can play good cop and just go after all the facts.

Let’s say it all falls apart and Obama is completely innocent. All we have done is waste time slowing down Congress and kept them from enacting further damaging legislation.


88 posted on 06/10/2013 10:56:37 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: PieterCasparzen

Thx for that!


89 posted on 06/10/2013 10:56:38 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama is scum. Anyone in Congress who doesn't see that can be counted among the enemy!)
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To: EveningStar

KMA billy boy k


90 posted on 06/10/2013 10:58:35 AM PDT by ldish (The Impeachment process should be getting interesting...but trust me it won't!)
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To: ldish

what are ya hiding billy boy k


91 posted on 06/10/2013 10:59:28 AM PDT by ldish (The Impeachment process should be getting interesting...but trust me it won't!)
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To: patriotspride

And someone’s marital status ( single, married, or divorced ) has absolutely nothing to do with their constitutional/legal eligibility for office.


92 posted on 06/10/2013 10:59:43 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: eddie willers
Congratulations. You win “Most Unreadable Post” for the day.

You read that? I skipped the hell outta that post! LOL

93 posted on 06/10/2013 11:00:37 AM PDT by Principled
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To: peyton randolph

Complete idiot. Doesn’t have a clue.


94 posted on 06/10/2013 11:00:51 AM PDT by AdaGray
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To: peyton randolph

Last week when it was just the Verizion phone calls, Obama made a teleprompterless statement to the press in which he said “some time in the next 3 and 1/2 years when I leave office....”
A strange statement, almost as if foreshadowing. As events have unfolded I keep going back to it. How does it fit into the current events?


95 posted on 06/10/2013 11:01:03 AM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: jersey117

I was listening to Mike Gallagher this morning while he was interviewing Michelle Bachman, and they were both more angry at the leaker than at the government snooping


Maybe they are afraid the truth will come out, and they too have been using this data for other than terrorist purposes.

it’s eerie the way everyone is on the prosecute bandwagon so quick...


96 posted on 06/10/2013 11:03:03 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: EveningStar
The two scandals are related.

The NSA scandal shows that the government has no problem in ignoring the Constitution in order to get information. Information is power.

The IRS scandal shows that the government has no problem in using the power it has to damage those who a Democratic administration sees as enemies.

Put those together, and we have a government which now has the ability to REALLY put the screws to anybody they don't like.

97 posted on 06/10/2013 11:06:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: stockpirate

I haven’t heard him refer to the in an open forum as his “good friend”.


98 posted on 06/10/2013 11:07:26 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: EveningStar
I don't think the "folks" over at DU would agree with Bill Kristal. They are running scared. Here is a gem of a comment:

"It's beginning to look like Bush-Cheney set up a network of "private contractors" to function as their private CIA once they were out of office, or possibly it was already there. If so it would explain a lot of strange goings on these last 4 years, including the recent NSA leaks, well-timed to do maximum damage to Obama's foreign policy cred by undermining his bargaining position in the US-China summit last weekend."

99 posted on 06/10/2013 11:17:36 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: Cyropaedia

How right you are, he did drop out.


100 posted on 06/10/2013 11:22:56 AM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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