Skip to comments.Bill Kristol On Fox News: 'Republicans Are Making A Huge Mistake' Conflating IRS And NSA Scandals
Posted on 06/10/2013 9:57:12 AM PDT by EveningStar
On Fox News Sunday, Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol cautioned against conflating the various Obama scandals with the new revelations of NSA surveillance.
"Conservatives and Republicans are making a huge mistake," Kristol predicted.
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Quick, oligarchs, get Michael Moore to side with the leaker.
You noticed. Somehow finding oneself agreeing with Michael Moore is a bit unsettling. In any case, this Odd Couple support for Snowden is causing a Civil War amongst Freepers and Consevatives. Similar things are happening on the Left I suspect. Time to checkout DU.
Does somebody, somewhere have some dirt on Kristol or is he really this much of a tool?
The guard dogs have been released!
*Sounds like a threat, Bill. Are you threatening us?*
The RINO’s need TP
Indeed. How can I buy into any “concerns” this government has about security, when they not only allow but virtually facillitate open borders? I’m rather apt to believe their notions and interest in security only involves their own corrupt political class, not that of that of the American people.
The surveillance programs are causing a fissure on both sides of the aisle, with Republicans in favor of stronger national security measures finding themselves in the odd spot of supporting President Obamas programs, which are a direct continuation of Bush-era policies. These conservatives, of whom Kristol is a spokesman, see the IRS scandal as indicative of an intrusive and aggressive government, but support extensive surveillance to fight terrorism.
National security is different from internal matters of the government, Kristol said. Were dealing with foreign threats here.
Kristol pointed out that the various NSA programs require multiple levels of court orders.
Who they appoint...
“Conflate”? The GOPe now talks just like all the mouthpieces on the Left. Who provides your talking points, Mr. Kristol? We’re on our own now, boys.
I couldn’t believe it, but I was listening to Mike Gallagher this morning while he was interviewing Michelle Bachman, and they were both more angry at the leaker than at the government snooping!
I doubt Kristol said electing any of them would be a mistake. It was more that they couldn't be elected (apparently Romney couldn't either, but that's another story).
Kristol has a valid point here. NSA snooping happens whoever is president. If you find some connection to the administration's political activities, there's a valid connection to the IRS scandal. If it's just NSA internal national security activity tying it in to other scandals may weaken critics of the administration.
It’s not conflation to see the IRS and NSA scandals as each being symptomatic of an out-of-control state.
Therein lies the problem that has divided conservatives and libertarians. Those that worry consistently about the government snooping on them and those that also want to stop terrorists. Obama found a issue that would drive a wedge. Start spying on citizens and get both groups unhappy. Obama isn’t caring about stopping terrorism because he, underline, he Killed Bin Laden, not the Navy Seals, But he did. So he says. So the war on terror is over. And he starts using the technology to spy on others. Thus angering both sides.
Shut up Bill.
They are two different scandals....but living here in 0bamaville and considering what the IRS has already done, is it such a stretch for you to see that info gathered is info shared and used against an individual or corporation?
If not, give me that blue pill you took or that pipe you’re smoking.
Maybe we should just let them get away with EVERYTHING? Right Bill?
Bill Kristol is another inside the beltway pompopus elite posing as a conservative.
He is not worth reading, watching on tv or listening to.
They actually believe this program is about stopping terrorists when obama won't even admit a terrorist act when it happens? Disappointed in the stupid republicans. I don't even consider myself a republican any more. Strictly conservative. If the GOP is going to continue in it's losing ways, I'm just not going to vote any more. I've had it.
Police State Bill Kristol can’t connect the dots to see the constitutional connection to the feds violating your rights and harassing you at the IRS based on your politics and the new political KGB spying into everyone’s private life and collecting dirt on targets for political/legal extortion down the road?
Obama has officially named his political enemies domestic terrorists for the police state and the military to focus in on. That is Tea Party people, third party voters, people organized to stop Dem. party voter fraud, constitutional activists, second amendment activists, Christians, pro-lifers, Vets, anyone speaking “hate” the glory of Dear Reader (white racists)), Islam and anal sex...
Bill is either stupid or a corrupt police state, anti-freedom, treasonous propaganda king. Your paranoid anti-terrorist policy has gone way over the top, Bill. Back off and buy a clue before that paranoid hate machine reachs out and touches you and yours. Maybe the AmKGB has dirt on Billy.
But the broad scandals all dovetail neatly ~ either at the White House or in Chicago.
Coulter and Sean Vanity are two others I detest. Vanity constantly refers to hard core dims are “his good friend”. I don’t have any friends all others are acquaintances that I don’t trust as far as I can throw them to speak the truth on anything.
The problem with IRS is the 16th amendment. Get rid of the amendment that problem is solved. Anything less just pushes the pieces around on the chessboard.
Congratulations. You win “Most Unreadable Post” for the day.
Bolton echoed those very words.
Yep, this guy dropped out of college as well...
... still, - I think he did alright.
A mistake in that the GOP started the blanket wire taps.
This could hurt the GOP.
I think FOX is making huge mistake keeping this moron on thier paid staff- but that is not up to me. What is up to me is I don’t have to listen to his GOP-E drivel on thier network.
Obama won his U.S. Senate seat by getting a Judge to OPEN or unseal confidential divorce records of his Republican opponent.
Obama has no respect for privacy.
Any Republican who does not understand this point needs to be shouted down. -————
Excellent point, and one we won’t see or hear about on the nightly news as a prime example of what can happen when someone has too much info..
Irving Kristol was actually called the “Godfather of Neoconservatism” by fellow neocon Jonah Goldberg.
So using the term is appropriate.
Speaking of Goldberg, he’s just like Bill...owes his GOPe status to his parents.
I caught a few minutes of this.
She gets worse looking every year and she was ugly ~ 20 years ago when she managed GHWB campaign 1992, and that annoying voice AHHHH stop it..
Now she looks like something I expect to see in a Mummy's tomb/.
Stop making Sense.
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.
I’ll play. Let’s assume Kristol is right in that they are completely unrelated. Would dems connect the dots if it were a Pub president? Of course.
At this point based on what we know about Obama we should assume the worst and make the allegations by private individuals and hacks - not politicians. Then the pub politicians should say the gravity of the allegations warrant a thorough investigation. The pub politicians can play good cop and just go after all the facts.
Let’s say it all falls apart and Obama is completely innocent. All we have done is waste time slowing down Congress and kept them from enacting further damaging legislation.
Thx for that!
KMA billy boy k
what are ya hiding billy boy k
And someone’s marital status ( single, married, or divorced ) has absolutely nothing to do with their constitutional/legal eligibility for office.
You read that? I skipped the hell outta that post! LOL
Complete idiot. Doesn’t have a clue.
Last week when it was just the Verizion phone calls, Obama made a teleprompterless statement to the press in which he said “some time in the next 3 and 1/2 years when I leave office....”
A strange statement, almost as if foreshadowing. As events have unfolded I keep going back to it. How does it fit into the current events?
I was listening to Mike Gallagher this morning while he was interviewing Michelle Bachman, and they were both more angry at the leaker than at the government snooping
Maybe they are afraid the truth will come out, and they too have been using this data for other than terrorist purposes.
it’s eerie the way everyone is on the prosecute bandwagon so quick...
The NSA scandal shows that the government has no problem in ignoring the Constitution in order to get information. Information is power.
The IRS scandal shows that the government has no problem in using the power it has to damage those who a Democratic administration sees as enemies.
Put those together, and we have a government which now has the ability to REALLY put the screws to anybody they don't like.
I haven’t heard him refer to the in an open forum as his “good friend”.
"It's beginning to look like Bush-Cheney set up a network of "private contractors" to function as their private CIA once they were out of office, or possibly it was already there. If so it would explain a lot of strange goings on these last 4 years, including the recent NSA leaks, well-timed to do maximum damage to Obama's foreign policy cred by undermining his bargaining position in the US-China summit last weekend."
How right you are, he did drop out.