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Posted on 06/01/2013 9:16:54 AM PDT by rhema
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America's downward spiral of apostasy took a huge leap when the Southwest California Synod ELCA elected the first ever homosexual bishop of the denomination. The Rev. Dr. Guy Erwin has been elected as bishop of the Southwest California Synod ELCA announced a facebook post by the synod. (See synod facebook page here)
Rev. Dr. Guy Erwin's faculty profile at California Lutheran University where he teaches says this, "Dr. Erwin is an ordained minister in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America; he and his partner Rob Flynn are members of St. Matthew's Lutheran Church in North Hollywood, CA... (see here)
Rev. Dr. Guy Erwin was ordained as a pastor in the ELCA two years ago. A press release by Lutherans Concerned/North America at the time stated R. Guy Erwin, a teaching theologian at California Lutheran University (CLU), was ordained in the Samuelson Chapel of that institution at 10:00 a.m. on May 11, 2011. He is both gay and in a committed same-gender relationship. His ordination, the fulfillment of a lifetime desire, is made possible by the change in policy in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) that followed the decision of the 2009 ELCA Churchwide Assembly to allow ministers in committed, same-gender relationships to serve in the church. (see here)
This is a game changer friends. The approval of homosexuality has always been open defiance of God by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America but now this action announces it to the world and defines what the denomination is about and what they believe.
open defiance was their vote on it a couple years ago, their gay pastors. a gay bishop isn’t hardly their first act of open defiance on this.
The phrase “...and his partner” says that he and the other guy aren’t married. Would it be reasonable to assume they’re enjoying the sexual aspects of their conjugal relationship? Outside of marriage?
Many of us observers aren’t necessarily Victorian prudes, but isn’t extra-marital sex considered sinful behaviors in some sects? And isn’t this guy capable of getting a marriage performed to cover his ecclesiastical ass?
glad you are out?
Competing with the Episcopalians.
That should be it. Now, every homosexual in this country should be employed. This was the last one.
That's what Dan Skogen (whose website has long chronicled the ELCA slide into heresy) states: The approval of homosexuality has always been open defiance of God by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. . .
Martin Luther is rolling in his grave and screaming obscenities at the church he created.
This isn't the "church" he created.
>>The Rev. Dr. Guy Erwin
The Rev Dr Guy Screwin’ ???
It is a spin-off. I will stand by my comment.
God’s going to do a whole lot more than that....time is no longer on our side. ...He’s going to make it impossible to hear the truth because mankind no longer wants it.
Time to choose, ELCA members. Flee from Babylon or support an enemy of the Gospel.
If that is the case, the world and society are going to get a whole lot more interesting, and not in a good way.
Let that organization suffer the consequences.
Even more normal Lutheran churches should be bailing in the near future.
Congratulations to the ELCA for being so “progressive”.
No, two men are incapable of marriage.
I attended and ELCA church in Oceanside, CA, for five years. I’m surprised that a southern California synod has the first gay bishop. I thought the first one would be from the San Fransisco area, Chicago area (where I live), or Ohio. I heard that Trinity Seminary, in Columbus, is the best ELCA seminary for gay students to meet other gays, to date.
May God have mercy on us all.
Open defiance of God .... I suspect He is not amused. This will not end well, either in this world or the hereafter.
Not a bishop. Not anything. Heretic.
OK, jokes aside, don’t you truly see that God weeps. The perspective of the battle of Christendom must be brought back: our divinely assigned battle has never been against flesh and blood except tangentially. It has been against the demons. It’s heaven versus hell, pick a side and do your best (investing yourself in the Lord always). Every sincere Christian, be they Roman Catholic or Orthodox or evangelical, should be a “protestant” ... protesting, AGAINST the world of sinners that are lost apart from God’s work, FOR the God of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and for God’s supernatural kingdom.
Exchanging the truth of God for a lie. Sad, sad, sad
protesting, AGAINST the world of sinners that are lost apart from God’s work, FOR the God of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and for God’s supernatural kingdom
actually I ought to change even that to say against the demon world and their work among the sinners. NOT against the sinners! Christ died to SAVE the sinners, if they will only accept it. Some won’t.
The antidote is God, and the method is through us. We should invest ourselves in the Lord. Let Him win OUR souls more deeply. Then we can boldly share what we have, to win OTHER souls away from the devil.
He wasn’t called a Heretic for nothing
That douchebag is directly responsible for the immorality gripping this nation, as well as the importation of African slaves into America by his followers and the subsequent civil war, Universal Suffrage, and Federal tyranny that resulted
According to the California Lutheran University website, he has an endowed professorship, is originally from Oklahoma, and is a member of the Osage tribe of Indians. So he could have moved to Massachusetts and competed for office against Fauxcahontas, but instead settled for a well-paid job in academe.
We have an avowed homosexual at F.R.?
Last I looked, Roman Fraudolocism isn’t the founding creed of the United States.
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
Glory to the Holy Trinity!
It would be better for them to decide finally that at least for them having bishops is a failed church program. Then they can give up having this office. Turning over ownership of places of worship to the congregations would be another reform I'd advocate for them.
Then they'd be free to get on with trying to know God rather than indulging the proclivities of gay blades.
Nope. my brother is a recovering ELCA member. His church left the synod a few years ago when they started to become more and more apostate.
The old joke - why can’t episcopaleans play chess?
They cant tell their bishops from their queens....
sad but true
Did he dump his wife and kids as well?
The LCMS and WELS are some of the most orthodox Biblically conservative churches you will find. Don’t paint all Lutherans with the same brush. I wish the ELCA would call themselves something else, because they are no longer Lutheran in any sense of the word.
I've been researching prophecies, especially contemporary prophecies and predictions. For what it's worth, one I've seen from several different sources can be summed up by the third message of Our Lady of Akita, Japan on October 13, 1973:
"As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by my Son. Each day, recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests. The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, and bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their Confreres. The Church and altars will be vandalized. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.
That's the gist of it and all say almost exactly the same thing.
To paraphrase, we won't know the time or the day, but if and when He finally has had enough, He'll do a cleansing, in that special way He does when He gets really, really pissed.
Studying the 7 churches of Revelation is helpful, too. All of it coming to pass, just as foretold.
I am so glad that I went LCMS.
Nice slogan... terrible earthly undertaking of it.
“Oh, God wants us to just nice over homosexual behavior, oh forget all that fuddy duddy talk about spiritual wrongdoing and sin and the need to get all that stuff right with God when He accepts you. We now have come as you are bishops openly and boldly living a stark sign of the unredeemed life, just to prove it....”
It isn’t the fault of having the Biblical Office of Bishop; it is the failure to follow the Biblical pattern for selecting those who occupy said Office:
1 Timothy 3:1-7 (NRSV)
The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. 2Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, 3not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. 4He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way— 5for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of Gods church? 6He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil.
Osmosing or not, one has to at some point come into a clear relationship with a 3-personal God, accepting it.
I do not know.
I do know that he was part of the "Extraordinary Lutheran Ministry" project of the schismatic gay lobby Lutherans Concerned-North America (now known by some other name)..."ordained" by this group, illegally called by a congregation prior to the AD 2009 rule-changing Churchwide Assembly.
Yup. I think the modern, low-power church (understood that many congregations are the exception, but it is the sad norm) has thrown up its hands over the issue of homosexuality. It has deep emotional/spiritual roots, but it is NOT an insuperable problem. If there is anywhere that Christ can be shown as capable of doing wonders, it is in changing homosexuals (and other paraphiliacs... which boils down to idolatry) into genuine lovers of God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, and the Son, and this God conquers all those old spiritual bonds and simply erases them with His superior power. Where the progeny of Freud were frustrated. It’s like building a skyscraper vs. building a mud castle.
I believe the Episcopalian gay bishop in New England retired a year or two ago - are there others?
But, that's not the case for everyone. Obviously, many have decided against looking and have closed themselves off, for whatever reason.
Never too late...until it is.
That's the old 'pluck your eye out' doctrine!
Seriously some of these people seem to think they are going to hell if they don't pick a gay for every office in their church. That is a real problem.
Well, the bible does speak of such egregious wolves in sheep’s clothing that “they would not progress very far” (repeating this from memory). Maybe once the sensation is over, selfish motives will sidetrack this flash in the pan.
“I am so glad that I went LCMS.”
It’s coming there too. They are just a few years behind ELCA.
Plenty of Dr. Guy Erwin’s kind serving as LCMS pastors — just protected and covered up by the organization.