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ELCA Elects First Homosexual Bishop
Exposing the ELCA ^ | 5/31/13 | Dan Skogen

Posted on 06/01/2013 9:16:54 AM PDT by rhema

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America's downward spiral of apostasy took a huge leap when the Southwest California Synod ELCA elected the first ever homosexual bishop of the denomination. “The Rev. Dr. Guy Erwin has been elected as bishop of the Southwest California Synod ELCA” announced a facebook post by the synod. (See synod facebook page here)

Rev. Dr. Guy Erwin's faculty profile at California Lutheran University where he teaches says this, "Dr. Erwin is an ordained minister in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America; he and his partner Rob Flynn are members of St. Matthew's Lutheran Church in North Hollywood, CA...” (see here)

Rev. Dr. Guy Erwin was ordained as a pastor in the ELCA two years ago. A press release by Lutherans Concerned/North America at the time stated “R. Guy Erwin, a teaching theologian at California Lutheran University (CLU), was ordained in the Samuelson Chapel of that institution at 10:00 a.m. on May 11, 2011. He is both gay and in a committed same-gender relationship. His ordination, the fulfillment of a lifetime desire, is made possible by the change in policy in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) that followed the decision of the 2009 ELCA Churchwide Assembly to allow ministers in committed, same-gender relationships to serve in the church.” (see here)

This is a game changer friends. The approval of homosexuality has always been open defiance of God by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America but now this action announces it to the world and defines what the denomination is about and what they believe.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: elca; gaychurch; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; luciferian; lutheran; religiousleft
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1 posted on 06/01/2013 9:16:54 AM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema

open defiance was their vote on it a couple years ago, their gay pastors. a gay bishop isn’t hardly their first act of open defiance on this.


2 posted on 06/01/2013 9:20:37 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: rhema

Swishop


3 posted on 06/01/2013 9:20:50 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: rhema

The phrase “...and his partner” says that he and the other guy aren’t married. Would it be reasonable to assume they’re enjoying the sexual aspects of their conjugal relationship? Outside of marriage?

Many of us observers aren’t necessarily Victorian prudes, but isn’t extra-marital sex considered sinful behaviors in some sects? And isn’t this guy capable of getting a marriage performed to cover his ecclesiastical ass?

Just wondering.


4 posted on 06/01/2013 9:21:50 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: gas_dr

glad you are out?


5 posted on 06/01/2013 9:21:56 AM PDT by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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To: rhema

Competing with the Episcopalians.


6 posted on 06/01/2013 9:23:20 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rhema

That should be it. Now, every homosexual in this country should be employed. This was the last one.


7 posted on 06/01/2013 9:26:35 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you think ObamaCare is a train wreck, wait until you see the amnesty bill.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
open defiance was their vote on it a couple years ago, their gay pastors. a gay bishop isn’t hardly their first act of open defiance on this.

That's what Dan Skogen (whose website has long chronicled the ELCA slide into heresy) states: The approval of homosexuality has always been open defiance of God by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. . .

8 posted on 06/01/2013 9:26:57 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

Martin Luther is rolling in his grave and screaming obscenities at the church he created.


9 posted on 06/01/2013 9:28:21 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: txnativegop
Martin Luther is rolling in his grave and screaming obscenities at the church he created.

This isn't the "church" he created.

10 posted on 06/01/2013 9:29:15 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: rhema

>>The Rev. Dr. Guy Erwin

The Rev Dr Guy Screwin’ ???


11 posted on 06/01/2013 9:29:49 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: fwdude

It is a spin-off. I will stand by my comment.


12 posted on 06/01/2013 9:30:47 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: txnativegop

God’s going to do a whole lot more than that....time is no longer on our side. ...He’s going to make it impossible to hear the truth because mankind no longer wants it.


13 posted on 06/01/2013 9:31:05 AM PDT by caww
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To: lightman; SmithL
This is a game changer friends. The approval of homosexuality has always been open defiance of God by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America but now this action announces it to the world and defines what the denomination is about and what they believe.

Time to choose, ELCA members. Flee from Babylon or support an enemy of the Gospel.

14 posted on 06/01/2013 9:33:03 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: caww

If that is the case, the world and society are going to get a whole lot more interesting, and not in a good way.


15 posted on 06/01/2013 9:33:50 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: rhema

Let that organization suffer the consequences.
Even more normal Lutheran churches should be bailing in the near future.
Congratulations to the ELCA for being so “progressive”.


16 posted on 06/01/2013 9:34:45 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: DPMD
And isn’t this guy capable of getting a marriage performed to cover his ecclesiastical ass?

No, two men are incapable of marriage.

17 posted on 06/01/2013 9:35:16 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; reg45

I attended and ELCA church in Oceanside, CA, for five years. I’m surprised that a southern California synod has the first gay bishop. I thought the first one would be from the San Fransisco area, Chicago area (where I live), or Ohio. I heard that Trinity Seminary, in Columbus, is the best ELCA seminary for gay students to meet other gays, to date.


18 posted on 06/01/2013 9:36:13 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: rhema

May God have mercy on us all.


19 posted on 06/01/2013 9:39:51 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: rhema

Open defiance of God .... I suspect He is not amused. This will not end well, either in this world or the hereafter.


20 posted on 06/01/2013 9:42:59 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: rhema

Not a bishop. Not anything. Heretic.


21 posted on 06/01/2013 9:44:55 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: reg45; All

OK, jokes aside, don’t you truly see that God weeps. The perspective of the battle of Christendom must be brought back: our divinely assigned battle has never been against flesh and blood except tangentially. It has been against the demons. It’s heaven versus hell, pick a side and do your best (investing yourself in the Lord always). Every sincere Christian, be they Roman Catholic or Orthodox or evangelical, should be a “protestant” ... protesting, AGAINST the world of sinners that are lost apart from God’s work, FOR the God of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and for God’s supernatural kingdom.


22 posted on 06/01/2013 9:47:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: rhema

Exchanging the truth of God for a lie. Sad, sad, sad


23 posted on 06/01/2013 9:49:46 AM PDT by vpintheak (We are the chosen few! Be thankful for it!)
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To: reg45; All

protesting, AGAINST the world of sinners that are lost apart from God’s work, FOR the God of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and for God’s supernatural kingdom

actually I ought to change even that to say against the demon world and their work among the sinners. NOT against the sinners! Christ died to SAVE the sinners, if they will only accept it. Some won’t.


24 posted on 06/01/2013 9:49:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: vpintheak

The antidote is God, and the method is through us. We should invest ourselves in the Lord. Let Him win OUR souls more deeply. Then we can boldly share what we have, to win OTHER souls away from the devil.


25 posted on 06/01/2013 9:51:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: txnativegop

He wasn’t called a Heretic for nothing
That douchebag is directly responsible for the immorality gripping this nation, as well as the importation of African slaves into America by his followers and the subsequent civil war, Universal Suffrage, and Federal tyranny that resulted
,


26 posted on 06/01/2013 9:54:08 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: rhema

According to the California Lutheran University website, he has an endowed professorship, is originally from Oklahoma, and is a member of the Osage tribe of Indians. So he could have moved to Massachusetts and competed for office against Fauxcahontas, but instead settled for a well-paid job in academe.


27 posted on 06/01/2013 10:00:30 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Mom MD

We have an avowed homosexual at F.R.?


28 posted on 06/01/2013 10:11:40 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Rome2000

Last I looked, Roman Fraudolocism isn’t the founding creed of the United States.


29 posted on 06/01/2013 10:11:56 AM PDT by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Glory to the Holy Trinity!

30 posted on 06/01/2013 10:19:14 AM PDT by lightman (Buzzed and buggered bath house Barry: the Benghazi bungler.)
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To: Cicero
The Episcopaleans and ELCA have trouble enough with bishops ~ now they are staffing up on gay bishops.

It would be better for them to decide finally that at least for them having bishops is a failed church program. Then they can give up having this office. Turning over ownership of places of worship to the congregations would be another reform I'd advocate for them.

Then they'd be free to get on with trying to know God rather than indulging the proclivities of gay blades.

31 posted on 06/01/2013 10:19:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Graybeard58; gas_dr

Nope. my brother is a recovering ELCA member. His church left the synod a few years ago when they started to become more and more apostate.


32 posted on 06/01/2013 10:19:45 AM PDT by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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To: muawiyah

The old joke - why can’t episcopaleans play chess?

They cant tell their bishops from their queens....
sad but true


33 posted on 06/01/2013 10:21:30 AM PDT by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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To: Charles Henrickson
My deepest sympathies to those in the LC-MS, WELS, NALC, LCMC, and other smaller Lutheran bodies, as we shall all be tarred with the broad brush headline "Lutheran" in the days ahead.


34 posted on 06/01/2013 10:21:35 AM PDT by lightman (Buzzed and buggered bath house Barry: the Benghazi bungler.)
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To: rhema

Did he dump his wife and kids as well?


35 posted on 06/01/2013 10:23:00 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Lancey Howard

The LCMS and WELS are some of the most orthodox Biblically conservative churches you will find. Don’t paint all Lutherans with the same brush. I wish the ELCA would call themselves something else, because they are no longer Lutheran in any sense of the word.


36 posted on 06/01/2013 10:23:13 AM PDT by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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To: caww
I wasn't raised in a church, just the faith by osmosis one gets from a childhood in the Bible belt during the 60s. The circular path of my seekership has taken me to things many here would be rightly fearful of.

I've been researching prophecies, especially contemporary prophecies and predictions. For what it's worth, one I've seen from several different sources can be summed up by the third message of Our Lady of Akita, Japan on October 13, 1973:

"As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by my Son. Each day, recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests. The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, and bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their Confreres. The Church and altars will be vandalized. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

That's the gist of it and all say almost exactly the same thing.

To paraphrase, we won't know the time or the day, but if and when He finally has had enough, He'll do a cleansing, in that special way He does when He gets really, really pissed.

Studying the 7 churches of Revelation is helpful, too. All of it coming to pass, just as foretold.

37 posted on 06/01/2013 10:26:12 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: lightman

I am so glad that I went LCMS.


38 posted on 06/01/2013 10:27:42 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Lord, confuse the wicked, confound their words, for I see violence and strife in the city.Psalms55:9)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
AMEN!
39 posted on 06/01/2013 10:30:00 AM PDT by lightman (Buzzed and buggered bath house Barry: the Benghazi bungler.)
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To: lightman

Nice slogan... terrible earthly undertaking of it.

“Oh, God wants us to just nice over homosexual behavior, oh forget all that fuddy duddy talk about spiritual wrongdoing and sin and the need to get all that stuff right with God when He accepts you. We now have come as you are bishops openly and boldly living a stark sign of the unredeemed life, just to prove it....”


40 posted on 06/01/2013 10:34:48 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: muawiyah

It isn’t the fault of having the Biblical Office of Bishop; it is the failure to follow the Biblical pattern for selecting those who occupy said Office:

1 Timothy 3:1-7 (NRSV)

The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. 2Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, 3not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. 4He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way— 5for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God’s church? 6He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil.


41 posted on 06/01/2013 10:37:52 AM PDT by lightman (Buzzed and buggered bath house Barry: the Benghazi bungler.)
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To: GBA

Osmosing or not, one has to at some point come into a clear relationship with a 3-personal God, accepting it.


42 posted on 06/01/2013 10:38:01 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: AppyPappy
Did he dump his wife and kids as well?

I do not know.

I do know that he was part of the "Extraordinary Lutheran Ministry" project of the schismatic gay lobby Lutherans Concerned-North America (now known by some other name)..."ordained" by this group, illegally called by a congregation prior to the AD 2009 rule-changing Churchwide Assembly.

43 posted on 06/01/2013 10:40:31 AM PDT by lightman (Buzzed and buggered bath house Barry: the Benghazi bungler.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Right on!


44 posted on 06/01/2013 10:41:08 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: lightman

Yup. I think the modern, low-power church (understood that many congregations are the exception, but it is the sad norm) has thrown up its hands over the issue of homosexuality. It has deep emotional/spiritual roots, but it is NOT an insuperable problem. If there is anywhere that Christ can be shown as capable of doing wonders, it is in changing homosexuals (and other paraphiliacs... which boils down to idolatry) into genuine lovers of God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, and the Son, and this God conquers all those old spiritual bonds and simply erases them with His superior power. Where the progeny of Freud were frustrated. It’s like building a skyscraper vs. building a mud castle.


45 posted on 06/01/2013 10:41:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Cicero

I believe the Episcopalian gay bishop in New England retired a year or two ago - are there others?


46 posted on 06/01/2013 10:43:17 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That's been my case. The truth is out there, all of it, if one is willing to look for/at it with a mind open...like a child, in a way, just as we are told to do.

But, that's not the case for everyone. Obviously, many have decided against looking and have closed themselves off, for whatever reason.

Never too late...until it is.

47 posted on 06/01/2013 10:44:28 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: lightman
If you resolve to do without bishops, you won't have any trouble with the need to hire on a homosexual bishop.

That's the old 'pluck your eye out' doctrine!

Seriously some of these people seem to think they are going to hell if they don't pick a gay for every office in their church. That is a real problem.

48 posted on 06/01/2013 10:44:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: elpadre

Well, the bible does speak of such egregious wolves in sheep’s clothing that “they would not progress very far” (repeating this from memory). Maybe once the sensation is over, selfish motives will sidetrack this flash in the pan.


49 posted on 06/01/2013 10:45:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

“I am so glad that I went LCMS.”

It’s coming there too. They are just a few years behind ELCA.

Plenty of Dr. Guy Erwin’s kind serving as LCMS pastors — just protected and covered up by the organization.


50 posted on 06/01/2013 10:46:01 AM PDT by Memphis Moe
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