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GLAAD Pushes Boy Scouts to Now Lift Ban on Openly Gay Leaders, Volunteers
Christian Post ^ | 05/27/2013 | By Melissa Barnhart

Posted on 05/27/2013 9:02:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Members of GLAAD, a nonprofit organization that promotes LGBT advocacy, was at the Boy Scouts of America's headquarters in Irving, Texas, on Friday – one day after the BSA's national council voted to allow openly gay membership – to advocate for additional policy changes acceptable to the gay community.

Former scouts Dave and Joe McGrath, a father and son duo who both earned the rank of Eagle Scout, biked 1,400 miles from Idaho Falls, Idaho, to the BSA's meeting in Grapevine to encourage the 1,400 voting delegates of the BSA's national council to vote in favor of the resolution to allow openly gay scouts, which passed by a vote of 61 to 39 percent. The ban on openly gay adult leaders is still in place.

On Friday, GLAAD documented Dave McGrath's entry into BSA headquarters to meet with staff and to deliver the LGBT community's 95 objections to their policies. Among these objections is the BSA's standing policy that bans adults who are openly gay from becoming scout leaders and volunteers.

Both factions of the scouting community – the LGBT scouts and traditional scouts – agree that the BSA's policies are now in conflict, because it accepts openly gay membership of students, but when they turn 18, they would then be ineligible to participate as scout leaders.

Many say the BSA's only option is to ask the national council delegates to vote on additional policy changes, possibly as soon as next year, to allow openly gay adults to become scout leaders and volunteers.

During Thursday's press conference outside the BSA's convention at the Gaylord Texan, Tico Perez, BSA national commissioner, refused to answer questions about lifting the ban on openly gay adults.

The policy change for openly gay youth will go into effect on Jan. 1, 2014, and will impact 116,000 scouting units, according to the BSA.

In a statement released Thursday evening, the BSA reiterated its support for the LGBT community by stating they wouldn't allow the organization to be "consumed by a single, divisive and unresolved societal issue."

"As the National Executive Committee just completed a lengthy review process, there are no plans for further review on this matter," the statement reads. "While people have different opinions about this policy, we can all agree that kids are better off when they are in Scouting."

Justin Bickford, communications director for Scouts for Equality, told CP on Thursday that their next mission is to push for openly gay leadership in the BSA. Many traditional scout leaders contend that gay adults are already serving as scout leaders and are doing so with discretion. Their disagreement is with the perceived sexual advocacy among the few LGBT leaders who were asked to leave the BSA for promoting their agenda.

John Stemberger, the founder of OnMyHonor, a coalition of scout leaders and parents of Boy Scouts members, consistently reiterated that gay scouts and gay scout leaders were actively participating in the BSA before Thursday's vote, and said there was never a ban on homosexuals in the scouts. According to Stemberger, "the BSA has a nondiscrimination policy," and the ban was on "gay activism" and "flaunting sexuality."

"With great sorrow, this will be last time I wear this uniform," Stemberger, whose coalition opposed membership changes, announced Thursday evening during the OnMyHonor press conference. He said his role will be to facilitate the process of deciding where the newly displaced scouting community will go, after being exiled from the BSA.

Stemberger said his movement includes "tens of thousands of parents, scouts that are disillusioned, troops that are going to fold and chartering partners."

On his website, OnMyHonor.Net, Stemberger has announced a June coalition meeting in Louisville, Ky., to "discuss the creation of a new character development organization for boys. We will host a national coalition meeting of former BSA parents and youth leaders who wish to return to timeless values that once made the BSA great."

Elizabeth Pritchard, the pack committee chair for Pack 928 in Southlake, Texas, told CP that she's been calling the American Heritage Girls to ask if they plan to start a program for boys. One program that has been announced is FaithBasedBoys.org, a newly created interdenominational organization for boys 5 to 18, that is scheduled to launch in the fall, and will receive guidance from American Heritage Girls.

Others who are departing the BSA en masse are waiting to see if the Royal Ambassadors, a Southern Baptist missions organization for boys in first through sixth grades, will be expanding their program to include the estimated 200,000 to 400,000 scouts who will be leaving the BSA.


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To: SeekAndFind

LOL! When can the young things start earning their “Kali Yuga” merit badges?


151 posted on 05/27/2013 2:23:51 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: stanne

I found this article in the National Catholic Register to be an excellent one on the subject:

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/boys-scouts-of-america-lifts-ban-on-homosexual-scouts/


152 posted on 05/27/2013 2:25:39 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The Boy Scouts are not dead. They are merely pining for the fjords.


153 posted on 05/27/2013 2:27:57 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: jonrick46

The Catholic church will never change its stance on homosexuality and gender.

The US Church, is to adhere to the Holy See, the Vatican, and it tends to get a little off track as it struggles with pressure fro all sides.

I like to watch those who keep that in mind.

my own Pastor, Cardinal Chaput, of Philadelphia, Cardinal Burke, who is in Rome at the Vatican and ALL of the good priests and theologians regularly featured on Catholic radio and EWTN TV.

It is very nuanced when figuring out why they can comment on certain political, social issues, and not at all on others.


154 posted on 05/27/2013 2:28:24 PM PDT by stanne
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To: jonrick46

Confusing. It sounds like it is in a don’t ask don’t tell mode acceptable to religious groups and objectionable to LGBT.

Is that the case, and the media is trying to spin it otherwise?


155 posted on 05/27/2013 2:41:14 PM PDT by stanne
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To: EDINVA
28 The board members who voted for this should be ousted. ...

Not going to happen. BSA National, i.e., the professionals in Irving, TX, have become subjects to their corporate donors who dominate the ~23 member National Executive Committee. The next National President will be elected at the annual National Council business meeting 1 year from now. It is expected to be Randall Stephenson, who is currently a V-P on the BSA National Executive Committee, and just happens to be CEO of AT&T. AT&T's corporate HQ is in Dallas, not far at all from BSA National HQ in Irving, TX. Randall Stephenson was very instrumental in making this membership rule change happen. Judging by the 61-39% vote, there are not enough conservative councils, out of ~ 294 total, to mount a credible effort to dumb the National Executive Committee.

156 posted on 05/27/2013 3:15:49 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: SeekAndFind

Evil will never stop until they remove all moral authority over good!


157 posted on 05/27/2013 3:27:24 PM PDT by Isabel2010
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To: SeekAndFind
All you Romney supporters, please remember that Romney supported this (and homosexual leaders, too.)
158 posted on 05/27/2013 3:28:14 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: MacNaughton

Well, we can hope that this elitist BSA board is as blindsided as the board @ J.C. Penney. They, too, thought they could ram the homosexual agenda on JCP’s commoner customer base without consequences. They learned.


159 posted on 05/27/2013 3:31:30 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
... A lot of you have remained plugged in to the Boy Scouts system. You attend meetings, and your kids belong right now. What can you do to reverse this? I am not talking about working with this. Reverse it. 100%. ... This is all or nothing time. We need this reversed, or we need a breakup.

A few points to keep in perspective ...

1. The BSA policy goes into effect 7 months from now. Something can happen between now and then.

2. There is an outside chance the Roman Catholic Church may still balk at this change. Especially when they realize that the homosexualists are going to the wall for inclusion of homosexual adult leaders.

3. How will the SCOTUS rulings break next month on Prop 8 and DoMA?

4. The BSA National Executive Committee, ~23 members, are totally in the bag for diversity/homosexual equality. Most of these guys are big suits at Fortune 500 Companies which are in the bag of the Human Rights Campaign for homosexual equality, e.g., Randall Stephenson CEO of AT&T, James Turley CEO of Ernst & Young, Rex Tillerson CEO of Exxon-Mobil. The current BSA National President, Wayne Perry, sold his company to AT&T and is a lifelong member of the LDS Church. It is extremely unlikely that a coup can be mounted against the National Executive Committee.

5. Arguing with your local BSA professionals is pointless. They will toe the company line because that is where their paycheck, health care and retirement benefits are.

6. Keep an eye on John Stemberger and OnMyHonor.Net. They may well come up with a strategy this summer.

7. Get your Eagle Scout prospects through before 1/01/2014.

8. Inform yourself of other conservative youth group options: (1) Royal Rangers, (2) Christian Service Brigade, (3) Royal Rangers, (4) Marine Corps League, (5) Calvinist Cadet Corps, and (6) Young Minutemen of America. The Baden-Powell Scout Association is not an option. They do not discriminate against sexual orientation.

9. Hit the local councils where it hurts - in the pocket book. (1) Discontinue contributing to FoS (Friends of Scouting), (2) discontinue selling/buying Trails End Popcorn - local councils get ~ 30% commission on every sale, (3) if possible, discontinue contributing to the United Way - local councils depend on the UW's annual contributions. Yes, you will hurt some good not-for-profit groups out there that receive UW funding, but the UW today is virtually totally occupied with diversity.

10. If you have the option, you might choose not to buy products/services from companies that support homosexual equality.

http://issuu.com/humanrightscampaign/docs/hrc-cei-2011-final

3M
Aetna
American Airlines
Apple
AT&T
Avon
Campbell Soup
Choice Hotels
Chrysler
Clorox
Continental Airlines
Dell
Ford
General Mills
Google
HP
Hyatt
Kellogg’s
Kodak
Kraft Foods
MetLife
Microsoft
MillerCoors
Nationwide
Orbitz
Pfizer
Prudential Time Warner
United Airlines
UPS
Walt Disney

http://nglcc.org/files/nglcc-splash/index.html

Aetna
Allstate
American Express Ameriprise Financial
Avis
Bank of America
Blue Cross/Blue Shield
Bristol-Myers Squibb
Burger King
Capital One
Century 21
CISCO
CITI
Comcast/NBC Universal
Colgate-Palmolive
Corning
CVS Caremark
ERA Real Estate
Fannie Mae
Farm Fresh
FedEx
Freddie Mac
Fidelity Investments
Goldman Sachs
HBO
Hilton Worldwide
Humana
Hyatt
IBM
ING
Intel
Johnson & Johnson
Kimberly-Clark
Marriott
Mattel
Merck
MillerCoors
Morgan Stanley
Motorola
New York Life
Office Depot
OfficeMax
Pepsico
Pfizer
Ramada
Renaissance Hotels & Resorts
Save a Lot
Shop ‘n’ Save
Southwest Airlines
Staples
Target
Toyota Financial Services
United Airlines
United Healthcare
UPS
US Bank
Verizon
Waste Management
Wells Fargo

160 posted on 05/27/2013 4:14:15 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: formosa
60 My rule of thumb is always this. If a man or woman gets involved with scouts etc., and does not have children involved, then their intentions are highly suspect at best. ... Call me paranoid, but I do not think it is normal for an adult to want to spend time with children of strangers in situations where they may be alone with them or there is some chance there might be nudity.

64 A healthy dose of caution is called for, however some singles might well have the right heart.

Given the times, paranoia can be excused, sadly. I knew many single men over the decades who served as scoutmasters and assistant scoutmasters. And they were all bona fide heteros. Singles' involvement in Scouting too, may become collateral damage in this all out cultural war. Of course, BSA National has required a criminal background check of all adult leaders since 2011.

161 posted on 05/27/2013 4:29:00 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: stanne; Christie at the beach
79 You said the Mormon church was complicit and when asked you said I was supposed to do the research. That’s a waste of everyone’s time and attention and it is a play on words and logic. State the facts of your accusations against the Mormon church or drop the slander, please and do keep me out of it.

Just trying to lay out the facts ... make your own conclusions.

The LDS Church took a beating, from the inside and outside, for aggressively supporting Proposition 8 in CA during 2008. Since then, the Church has moved on to other battles in the cultural wars rather than to continue to take on the homosexual-rights activists for several reasons.

 Church leadership felt like it was left holding the financial bag after other evangelical denominations failed to come through with promised aid in the fight against Proposition 8. Top church officials were heavily involved in the creation of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), the primary player over the last decade in the fight to outlaw gay unions.

 Church leadership feared that continued support of anti-homosexualsexual marriage measures would continue to generate negative publicity which in turn would limit the ability of its farflung missionaries to engage potential converts.

 The Church wanted to be more welcoming to its members who are afflicted with same-sex attraction.

 There are, at least, 5 nationally prominent Mormons in the U.S. today.

1. Mitt Romney has had advocated for homosexual membership in the BSA since 1994 when he sat on the BSA National Executive Board. When he ran for the U.S. Senate against Ted Kennedy during the 1990s, he went to the left of Kennedy (if that was possible) on homosexual issues. When he took over leadership of the 2002 SLC Winter Olympic Committee he denied Boy Scouts from volunteering at Olympic venues. In the 1996, Boy Scouts volunteered in large numbers at the Atlanta Olympics. On his watch as governor of MA in 2004, it became the 1st state to legalize homosexual marriage. Church leadership did not want to harm Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign.

2. Harry Reed is a U.S. Senator (D-NV) and current Senate Majority Leader.

3. Glenn Beck is a libertarian/conservative talk radio host and media mogul. He announced his support for homosexual marriage in 2013.

4. Jon Huntsman Jr. is a past progressive governor (R-UT) and former ambassador to Red China under POTUS #44 BHO. In FEB 2013 he (1) announced his support of homosexual marriage and (2) signed the amicus brief of the plaintiff to oppose California’s Proposition 8.

5. Wayne Perry is the current BSA National President and co-owner of the Seattle Mariners. He personally pleaded the case with the Prophet of the LDS Church to support a change in BSA’s membership policy to accept homosexuals. This would be a major reversal of the Church’s position in 2000 when it heavily supported the BSA when the SCOTUS ruled in BSA’s favor in BSA v Dale.

162 posted on 05/27/2013 4:41:02 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Interesting. More than what C at B gave us, whose name always gets me thinking about that Chris Christie and his abandonment of our country’s interests in his schmoozing BO for federal money for the Jersey Shore.

Anyway, too bad people like the Mormons can’t take a lesson from the Catholic Church and see what they have to offer in the way of homosexuality and charity while preserving unwavering identity of male and female.


163 posted on 05/27/2013 4:50:37 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
163 Anyway, too bad people like the Mormons can’t take a lesson from the Catholic Church and see what they have to offer in the way of homosexuality and charity while preserving unwavering identity of male and female.

Sadly, I am very concerned about the RCC's position on the new BSA membership rule. What with the Church's history over the last ~25 years regarding predatory priests, I was hoping for a stronger response. It may yet come ...

2/07/2013 - Letter from Col. (Ret.) John J. Halloran Jr., National Chair
http://www.nccs-bsa.org/BSAComment.htm

5/15/2013 – Letter from Scouts for Equality to Cardinal Dolan.
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/united-states-conference-of-catholic-bishops/168/

5/19/2013 – Letter from Bishop Robert Guglielmone (Diocese of Charleston) of the National Catholic Committee on Scouting to the homosexual activist group, Scouts for Equality.
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/the-diocese-of-charleston/166/

5/23/2013 – REACTION TO POLICY CHANGE IN MEMBERSHIP STANDARDS FOR THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA - National Catholic Committee on Scouting
http://www.nccs-bsa.org/comment/NCCSComment52313.php

5/24/2013 – Statements from the Washington and Denver Archdioces
http://www.catholicherald.com/stories/Reaction-to-Boy-Scouts-decision,22922

5/24/2013 – Comments by Bishop Robert Guglielmone
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/boys-scouts-of-america-lifts-ban-on-homosexual-scouts/

164 posted on 05/27/2013 5:15:16 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: SeekAndFind
I guess it is going to have to come down to mt to point this out.

Number one, nobody should be surprised by this. This is part of what they wanted in the first place.

Number two, what you have to realize however is the BSA had no choice.

Let me explain: Homosexual activists pressured major companies that had in the past financially sponsored the Boy Scouts into dropping those sponsorships. It was not done in secret. We all read about how Merck, UPS, etc said they wouldn't give the BSA funds if they discriminated against homosexuals. So what could the BSA do? They had been moved over the proverbial barrel with not a single company offering to pick up the slack the others left.

They couldn't stay solvent without the financial support. Period. And that's why they voted that way.

So don't get mad at the BSA. Get mad at those who wish merely to destroy the BSA and the kids therein.

165 posted on 05/27/2013 5:25:55 PM PDT by Houmatt (Generic tag line.)
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To: MacNaughton

The Church’s teaching is clear that engaging in sexual activity outside of marriage is immoral. Individuals who are open and avowed homosexuals promoting and engaging in homosexual conduct are not living lives consistent with Catholic teaching.

I’m not seeing a problem from the church, here.

It’s a lot stronger than, “let’s change our philosophy”


166 posted on 05/27/2013 6:59:49 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

Don’t yell at me-—Yell at the Vatican and Fr. Oko: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/02/fr-dariusz-okos-major-article-with-pope.html

Or yell at Archbishop Fulton Sheen who converted Bella Dodd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isxEwBxmS5c

Do you ignore the homosexual cardinals and bishops and priests—the ones molesting the Catholic boys and protecting the “homomafia” that Fr. Oko wrote about-—in his Vatican requested investigation of the Homoheresy infiltrating the liturgy and most US churches. You know—the ones who hold “gay” masses at Universities TODAY and lie to the congregations about “sin” and Evil.

AND Notre Dame and other so-called”Catholic” universities who promote V-Monologues and other trash and evil and allow abortion advocates to be honored and celebrated (including Cardinal Dolan allowing Zero at Catholic “dinners” to give his evil agenda a platform).

The blurring of the Truth—the emasculation of the Church—forcing Marxist ideology into the liturgy-— the destruction of the understanding of Natural Law in children-—the destruction of the foundation of the Summa—the Foundation of Canon Law—Natural Law Theory.

Human Vitae was great-—I agree-—but the “clown” masses and the molestations are hardly promoting the Catholic Canon. The making boys interchangeable with girls (girl-altarboys)—is Marxism—hardly a respecting of Natural Law and the differences in the nature of boys and girls. It destroys Reason—Logic and Virtue and the understanding of the Truth and the “Bride” of Christ and simply confuses and corrupts children.

Feminization of the Catholic Church has driven out males and the masculine. It has destroyed the Church from within.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d4eANuMXd8

By the way—I love the Catholic Canon-—I am a profound Catholic. I hate corruption and evil passed as “Truth” and will attack evil even if it is inside the Catholic Church. We are called by God to do it.


167 posted on 05/27/2013 9:02:32 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie

Blech


168 posted on 05/27/2013 9:55:23 PM PDT by stanne
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m shocked I tell you, shocked.


169 posted on 05/27/2013 9:58:54 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Bookmark.


170 posted on 05/27/2013 10:03:51 PM PDT by SoCal SoCon (Conservatism =/= Corporatism.)
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To: MacNaughton

Of course, Jerry Sandusky was married and would have passed any background checks, up to last year, of course.


171 posted on 05/27/2013 10:07:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
171 Of course, Jerry Sandusky was married and would have passed any background checks, up to last year, of course.

Right you are. The tragic example that all youth groups should bear in mind today. Like I said, lots of collateral damage with this issue.

172 posted on 05/27/2013 10:25:35 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: HiTech RedNeck; stanne
All lecturing aside, Red Neck, if one gets into a debate with me you better have the chops to be able to keep up, because I don't roll over to debaters who don't fight fair, and I'll nail to the floor those that don't. I don't care what ever "deprived" group you claim to exist within, claim to be from, or belong to. If any choose to take pot shots at Eagle Scouts, I will take them down. In the REAL current battle against the "Gay-stapo", you'll want me for your ally, not your opposition. One is well advised NOT to piss in this direction.

There's a lot to crawl out from under and a lot of Heavenly shots being fired over the bow as state after state collapses to the homo-mafia and the USSC takes up California's Prop 8 in June. Courts and legislatures are ram jamming this stuff yet only two states: MD and WA actually put gay marriage out to a vote where the populace voted to approve state sanctioned abomination.

Fact is your average rank and file Boy Scout troop was not given a say so with representatives and delegates to the kangaroo conclave in Grapevine,TX, and allowing for free and open debate with supporters and non-supporters all going on record.

The grass roots BSA stood up and won to keep the faggots out at the USSC in 2000 on the basis of NJ BSA's Constitutionally protected right of association in a private membership organization. My then soon-to-be Eagle Scout boys and I were with the BSA at that time.

How many local councils have the jack to keep going to the USSC for such things?

This was an infiltration into the funding networks. How do Eagle Scouts fight that unless they too are on the Boards of all these organizations themselves? Does "stanne" have evidence that those who are Eagles didn't try to stand up and instead wound up being outvoted by others on those Boards?

This was a coup. Might want to remind your friend "stanne" of that fact.

FReegards!


173 posted on 05/28/2013 8:23:36 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: MacNaughton
I agree with most of your post. Bravo! But here is a point of disagreement:

1. The BSA policy goes into effect 7 months from now. Something can happen between now and then.

In practice, the new policy is in de facto effect NOW. There will be no dismissals of openly "geh" scouts as an understood moratorium on the old policy will be in effect, just as it was in the military before the DADT repeal was "effective."

Otherwise, we'd see activist homosexual boys being expelled from scouting now, only to be reinstated in 7 months. This would never withstand ANY legal scrutiny (from what passes for "legal" thought nowadays.)

174 posted on 05/28/2013 9:31:08 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: cradle of freedom

Actually the United States is the largest exporter by dollar value.


175 posted on 05/28/2013 10:01:53 AM PDT by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: fwdude

You make an excellent point about the new rule already being </i> de facto</i>. I saw a picture of 1 scout in uniform at Grapevine during the business meeting who was said to be a self-identified homosexual. In my readings, I have only come across 2 instances where a self-outed youth scout was kicked out of BSA - 1 in 2000 in the Old Hickory Council (NC) and the other in 2012 in the Silverado Mt. Diablo Council (CA). Undoubtedly there have been others, but my impression is that it is a rare event. Unquestionably, sympathetic troops have shielded known homosexual scouts over the years. The recent rash of scouts being expunged from the BSA have in reality been scouters, i.e., older than 18 (early to mid-20s). Many of these men were employed at summer camps. But you are so right, what volunteer would want to expend the energy in attempting to expunge a self-outed scout now when the likely result would be tremendous blowback on him by the homosexual lobby.


176 posted on 05/28/2013 2:35:08 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually, the only option they have is to put it to a once and final vote of the Executive Officers of the Chartered Organizations.

The CO’s bear 100 percent of the financial and legal risk. The Chartered Organizations own scouting. All the BSA owns is the logo, curriculum, and national camps. Oh, and that gigantic endowment, which is its own company and can’t be sued.

71 percent of the CO’s will vote to keep the former policy, and they will likely rip the knob off at that point.

Gay scouts can start their own organization.


177 posted on 05/28/2013 2:40:22 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: MacNaughton
I'm not quite sure of why the long "preparation" time is needed to implement the policy. It's instructive that both the BSA and military need to "carefully implement" these changes over a significant period of time. If it's a no-brainer and all that popular a position, why is the kid-glove's care needed?

But, of course, the pro-resolution officials knew that the new policy would de facto in effect immediately. The long "implementation" period will be used by homo-fascists to inundate top officials with demands to design the new queerified BSA into their own image, and the top officials will, of course, cave.

But, as you stated, a lot can happen through the rest of the year. Hopefully, the organization will completely implode through the massive exit of money and members. This is really our only hope.

178 posted on 05/28/2013 2:46:51 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Agamemnon

Well my chops are Jesus Christ. Yours?


179 posted on 05/28/2013 4:14:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Well my chops are Jesus Christ. Yours?

Jesus Christ is the Lord God, Creator of the Universe, and Redeemer of the same. By Him ALL things consist.

He is not my chops, nor the embodiment of what happens to pass either for my ability to remain abreast of issues or to be able to debate the merits of my position concerning them.

He is far greater than my chops, and I suspect far greater than yours, as well.

FReegards!


180 posted on 05/28/2013 4:31:07 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Agamemnon

Familiar with the bible any? He is my strength? By my God I can scale a wall? Etc? Lay yourself on the Lord in truth instead of in some self flattering feigned salute, and you WILL get infused with His spirit.


181 posted on 05/28/2013 4:48:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: fwdude
Maybe I'm just being too linear in my thinking. My thoughts are that ...

1. They have to re-print the new membership registration forms.

2. Edit the Guide to Safe Scouting.

Of course, so much of this stuff is digital these days and available on council web-sites.

3. Do you suppose there are some liability insurance contracts that have to be re-negotiated?

4. To paraphrase Distinguished Eagle Scout and former SoS Donald Rumsfeld, "There must be some other known unknowns."

182 posted on 05/28/2013 6:55:36 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: formosa

I completely agree with that assessment. I was merely pointing out on the other side of that issue, the one attempting to help lead but realizing that there are people who hold a dim view of those in positions of leadership with no kids in the troop or no kids at all. It’s a very different BSA than I knew.


183 posted on 05/28/2013 7:19:29 PM PDT by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Familiar with the bible any?

Can you cite chapter and verse which says that Jesus is anyone's "chops"?

He is my strength? By my God I can scale a wall? Etc?

If I recall correctly you said "Well my chops are Jesus Christ," not "He is my strength," not "By my God I can scale a wall," or "Etc."

Lay yourself on the Lord in truth instead of in some self flattering feigned salute, and you WILL get infused with His spirit.

Look me up sometime when you actually become more familiar with what the Bible says, and can bring yourself to quote your own postings accurately.

By the way, the discussion you joined was about gay infiltration of the Boy Scouts, and some newbie trying to blame Eagle Scouts for it. Might want to try harder to stay on topic.


184 posted on 05/28/2013 7:24:29 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: SeekAndFind

Noli requiescere in pace, Boy Scouts. Your leadership in now knowingly guilty of child abuse.


185 posted on 05/28/2013 10:07:08 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Agamemnon

“Courts and legislatures are ram jamming this stuff yet only two states: MD and WA actually put gay marriage out to a vote where the populace voted to approve state sanctioned abomination...”

The trend isn’t good, in my opinion. Maine also voted in ‘gay marriage’, as well as Minnesota rejecting a pro-marriage amendment. CA’s Prop. 22 passed by 61% in 2000 and Prop. 8 only passed by 52% in 2008, that’s losing 9% in 8 years. NC voted in theirs by 61% last year, basically tying the CA of 12 years before, something that would have made folks call you nuts if you would have told them that in 2000. All the states around NC passed their amendments by 75%+ except VA (57% in 2006) at least 6 years ago.

As far as the boy scouts, to my understanding it was 61% -39% from 1400 ‘boy scout leaders.’ I would love to know what region of the country has the highest % of delegates. In any case, it is the boys scouts, not a good sign in my opinion.

FReegards


186 posted on 05/28/2013 10:29:55 PM PDT by Ransomed
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