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To: Ransomed
I don't “hate” celibacy...not even that of the lifelong variety.The lifelong variety...(as opposed to Sundays...Holy Days...maybe even Lent)...isn't necessary or even *healthy*.Does Christ *really* want his vicars to be without the “companionship” of a woman (that word being defined broadly *and* narrowly) for their *entire* lives? If so explain the former Anglican priests who,having vowed loyalty and obedience to the Holy Father,are now serving as Roman Catholic priests in the US,Canada,Britain,Ireland,Australia and elsewhere.
23 posted on 05/26/2013 9:37:17 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Celibacy is a discipline, it isn’t a universal law, never has been, see the Eastern Catholic Churches and the Orthodox Churches. One can think it is valuable or not, but among Latin rite Catholics the liberal ones are the ones that are invariably for doing away with it in the Latin Church.

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24 posted on 05/26/2013 9:54:05 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Gay State Conservative
Does Christ *really* want his vicars to be without the “companionship” of a woman (that word being defined broadly *and* narrowly) for their *entire* lives?

Apparently so.

"Who said to them: All men take not this word, but they to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it." Matthew 19:11-12

"Then Peter answering, said to Him: Behold we have left all things, and have followed thee: what therefore shall we have? And Jesus said to them: Amen, I say to you, that you, who have followed Me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the seat of His majesty, you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for My name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall possess life everlasting. And many that are first, shall be last: and the last shall be first." Matthew 19:27-30

"Then Peter said: Behold, we have left all things, and have followed Thee. Who said to them: Amen, I say to you, there is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, Who shall not receive much more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting." Luke 18:28-30

As did St. Paul.

"But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your profit: not to cast a snare upon you; but for that which is decent, and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord, without impediment." 1 Corinthians 7:32-35

You quite obviously don't comprehend what the Priesthood is actually all about. The sacrifice of a conjugal life in order to fully serve God is a foreign concept to people who allow their genitals to dictate how they live their lives.

If so explain the former Anglican priests who,having vowed loyalty and obedience to the Holy Father,are now serving as Roman Catholic priests in the US,Canada,Britain,Ireland,Australia and elsewhere.

A miniscule number of men; whose career path in the Church is extremely limited, in the grand scheme of themes and who all promise to adopt the discipline of celibacy for the remainder of their life if their spouse precedes them in death. I suggest you talk to one of those men ordained under the 1980 Pastoral Provision and ask him who he devotes himself entirely to, God or his spouse. One of the two is getting short changed.

25 posted on 05/26/2013 10:53:36 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Gay State Conservative

There’s a reason why Paul wanted deacons and bishops to be the “husband of one wife”, AFAICS (1 Timothy 3:2, 12). Furthermore, marriage is an institution God created, even to the point where God described Himself as “married” to Israel (Jeremiah 3:14 and many others) and of course the future Bride of Christ.


27 posted on 05/28/2013 1:11:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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