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Experts: CO2 record illustrates 'scary' trend
http://www.windstream.net/news/read/category/Top%20News/article/ap-experts_co2_record_illustrates_scary_tre-ap ^

Posted on 05/11/2013 8:38:04 PM PDT by LouAvul

AP article. Whenever I post anything from the AP, it disappears. But the article is lamenting the incredible rise in carbon dioxide. Thoughts?


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: breath; climatechange; co2; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; globalwhining; liberalpanic; rise; sourcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 05/11/2013 8:38:04 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

One of America’s biggest problems is that we have way too many “experts” living here.


2 posted on 05/11/2013 8:39:31 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is the root cause of violent crime in Mexico. - Barack Hussein Obama Jr.)
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To: LouAvul

That just means that crops will be much more productive.


3 posted on 05/11/2013 8:40:35 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: LouAvul

I wish these chicken littles would just jump off a cliff and get it over with.


4 posted on 05/11/2013 8:40:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Leftist, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, fundamentalist Islamic policies, the death of a nation.)
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To: LouAvul

Now I know why I have to mow the lawn so often.


5 posted on 05/11/2013 8:41:08 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: FlingWingFlyer

too many idiot scientists who don’t know a hand grenade from a hole in the ground.


6 posted on 05/11/2013 8:41:10 PM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: LouAvul

Maybe they can show me one planet in this entire universe that became a greenhouse planet because of CO2. Venus? Water vapor. The CO2 came later when it was trapped by water vapor. CO2 constitutes 0.04% of the earths atmosphere. Methane 0.00017% Zero point zero zero zero. What they are selling is a phantom. If we ran every single car and every single coal burning plant 24 hours a day 7 days a week for the next 1000 years we wouldn’t even get that CO2 percentage up to 0.05%, the atmosphere is just too massive. It’s 5,000 trillion metric tons which might as well be infinity when it comes to man made CO2 and I’m getting sick to death of liberals howling when that percentage scoots up a microbe. What are they going to do when it goes down? Demand taxes be reduced for gasoline? Yeah right.


7 posted on 05/11/2013 8:46:16 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Psiman

too many idiot scientists who don’t know a hand grenade from a hole in the ground.


No, there are too many idiots who believe the idiot scientists.

There really aren’t that many idiot scientists but there are a lot of idiots.


8 posted on 05/11/2013 8:49:00 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: LouAvul
As a scientist, I can tell you that this is not "scientific" info.

Out of thousands upon thousands of climate readings around the globe, one high one would be regarded as an artifact, or an outlier. Such points are not typically reportable, as a single datum.

Furthermore, such a thing is ridiculously easy to fudge. All they need is a smokey barbecue in the parking lot, and if the wind is right...

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9 posted on 05/11/2013 9:02:21 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: LouAvul

What are your thoughts on this, LouAvul?


10 posted on 05/11/2013 9:04:58 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: LouAvul

mmm yes, a .03% contribution to the total CO2 in atmosphere is ‘scary’

Real experts know global wasmring is a natural cyclical event which follwos very specific natural patterns- Hack scientists hell bent on perpetuating a lie parrot their hack guru al gore


11 posted on 05/11/2013 9:11:25 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: LouAvul
Quit breathing on the sensor you big dope!
12 posted on 05/11/2013 9:11:31 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (Thy Kingdom come!)
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To: LouAvul

all lies and distorted data, watch this
http://theolympiareport.com/wwu-scientist-debunks-lawmakers-myths-about-co2-climate-change/


13 posted on 05/11/2013 9:13:45 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Arguing facts with people who have no science background -- especially in historical geology -- or worse, people who distort science in favor of making political points, is hopeless.

I quote from a piece written by geophysicist David Deming for the Washington Times Weekly:

"Confronted by an endless avalance of...nonsensical drivel, it seems almost foolhardy to argue facts...With each passing year (no increase in mean global temperature for 15 years) it is becoming increasingly clear that global warming is not a scientific theory subject to empirical falsification, but a political ideology that has to be defended against any challenge. It is ironic that skeptics are called 'deniers' when every fact that would tend to falsify global warming is immediately explained away by an industry of denial."

14 posted on 05/11/2013 9:15:52 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: LouAvul
Lots of people arguing on various forums that the CO2 measurements are erroneous (pointing to Mauna Loa volcano contamination) or that there are natural causes for the rise. Both notions are almost certainly wrong. The steady rise in CO2 has been measured many times in many places far away from volcanoes and right next to volcanoes and they match pretty well once the local variations are averaged out. The natural rise in CO2 would have been 5-10 ppm based on the natural rise in ocean temps (roughy 1C) following the Little Ice Age. Instead we have seen a 100-120 ppm rise that coincides with fossil fuel use.

It is possible that the CO2 is coming from natural sources, but those natural sources (e.g volcanoes) would have to be outputting at a steady rate just like manmade CO2 is. The simplest explanation by far is man made.

15 posted on 05/11/2013 9:19:34 PM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: LouAvul

16 posted on 05/11/2013 9:33:38 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: LouAvul

WOW! This is an amazing article! It desperately wanted to say that the “record” CO2 is making things warmer. But it couldn’t. Know why? Because the Earth is NOT getting warmer! Hasn’t for 16 years. I guess they didn’t want to mention that little factoid in the same article that was pimping an “all time high” CO2 number. People might get the wrong impression. Instead they totally dance around the issue by repeatedly emphasizing it was supposedly hotter a long time ago, oh yeah, and CO2 was high then too. Oh, and CO2 is high now. And did we mention CO2 is high right NOW? We’ll leave it to the reader to guess what that means.

As it is, I guess these fools must simply be hoping people have been so brainwashed and are so unable to actually think for themselves any longer that they’ll mentally fill in the deliberate blanks with “OH, current higher CO2= Global Warming”.


17 posted on 05/11/2013 9:34:01 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: LouAvul

I think Soro’s, Gore, Hollywood dinks and all the greenie weenies should QUICKLY run out and buy up all the carbon credits they can. Spend every last dime and save us all!


18 posted on 05/11/2013 9:48:56 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: palmer

The real question is if warming is caused by these levels of CO2.

Proponents of AGW maintain that there is a linear relationship at these concentrations between increasing levels of CO2 and the trapping of heat.

In their model, the analogy is a pane of glass you paint with whitewash. When one paints the window, some light is blocked. Add another layer more light is blocked, until after so many layers, no light gets through.

That is a flawed premise at these concentrations. Not only does science not support their premise, the empirical data does not either.

If the data supported their hypothesis, they would not have to manipulate their data to the point of falsification, which they have done and continue to do,


19 posted on 05/11/2013 9:50:07 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: Bernard Marx
I tell you what really ticks me off are the people making massive amounts of money from this hoax while hard working people get ripped off. Case in point: Al Gore who is now worth $300 million. 3 HUNDRED million! This is a guy whose last weekly paying job was 12 years ago where he made about $220k a year before taxes, and here he is loaded enough to buy and sell TV stations to terrorist propaganda companies. Maybe Al-Jazeera can do a bit on Al when he took bribes from airlines rather than have those airlines beef up security pre-911, and nobody ever calls him on this sh*t, even when he sexually assaulted a masseuse he still walked scot free not to mention walking around drunk half the time.


20 posted on 05/11/2013 10:13:06 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: catnipman
Their hockey stick graphs do not even show known temperature swings such as the little ice age (which ended in the mid 1800s and we are still emerging from it), and the midevil warming period (no modern temperature maps, but they grew citrus fruit in Great Britain and that shows it did not freeze during that period.)

The CO2 alarmists never talk about the fact that we are in a (probably short as a percentage) interglacial warming period that typically lasts only 20,000 years between ice ages. Human CO2 was not responsible for the great temperature warming that ended past ice ages or even this one. And C0O2 has changed by huge amounts as well. Most stays dissolved in ocean water, but there is equilibrium between ocean and atmospheric levels that is probably temperature related and not the other way around.

One should be very skeptical when those who lust to control the means of production devise computer models that show a fake crisis to give them what they want. Communists lie, get used to it!

21 posted on 05/11/2013 10:25:22 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Barraq 0bama - Commander of Operation Fetal Position)
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To: LouAvul

Wow. Highest co2 levels in a gazillion years. And yet, they can’t explain why this Spring has seen one of the mildest tornado seasons in decades.

These idiots don’t know ****. They just make it up as they go along.


22 posted on 05/11/2013 10:27:52 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: palmer
The natural rise in CO2 would have been 5-10 ppm based on the natural rise in ocean temps ,

I have read such numbers in the other places. I would like to know background of this value.

Concerning the 5-10ppm:

How was it determined and is it variable over time/area?

Have worldwide measurements over the decades across the globe verified this number?

Does this number originate with "consensus" scientists, or is someone of the character of Professor Linzden of MIT part of this determination?

Throughout the year, is this value linear across all points over water?

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I have great distrust and anger at many of the so called Climate Scientists that are truly corrupting "real" science by knowingly fudging data and unscientifically attacking so called deniers.

What Faux Professor Mann did is so unprofessional he should have resigned in disgrace. But no, he is still lauded. It's sad how this issue is so politicized -- another example of how the left is destroying everything, thus revealing themselves as evil to their core.

23 posted on 05/11/2013 10:52:41 PM PDT by sand88
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
The Gores are a disgusting bunch. His Daddy was a second-rate politician who made a pact with Armand Hammer, who acted as a bagman for the Soviets. Little Al was trained from childhood to be a Manchurian Presidential candidate. Hammer bribed Gore Senior with a sweetheart deal on Tennessee land that included a working zinc mine. Al Jr. has pocketed half a million dollars in royalties from that little operation alone.

Al Jr. is a total fraud, like so many other high-profile Dems. The AGW hoax was cooked up by the "one world under socialism" bunch, mainly UN and academic types. I'm sure they've been happy to let little Al line his pockets any way he can while acting as their political front man. The level of lies and corruption sustained in our current government is completely disheartening to those of us who believe in America.

24 posted on 05/11/2013 11:37:49 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: LouAvul

Might explain why the southeastern US is experiencing incredible tree growth right now. The road crews are busy trimming the growth back to keep the freeways open. More CO2 means more wood.


25 posted on 05/11/2013 11:50:35 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: All

The new “PC” phrase is “Climate Disruption”

“Climate Change” is soooooo 2012

Next year, it will be “Climate Catastrophe”


26 posted on 05/11/2013 11:52:19 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield ("GTFO out of our house BHOmo.")
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To: DoughtyOne

Re your wish that “these chicken littles would just jump off a cliff and get it over with”.

Done! I just called Paul Ryan and offered him a job.


27 posted on 05/12/2013 12:03:38 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: LouAvul

CO2 doesnt worry me; plants “eat” it.


28 posted on 05/12/2013 3:12:41 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: LouAvul

The commie shills of the AP trying to resuscitate the bogus GW scam.


29 posted on 05/12/2013 4:43:14 AM PDT by Amagi (Obama is never so animated as when he is assaulting the Constitution.)
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To: sand88
How was it determined and is it variable over time/area?

Henry's law for solubility of gases in water and estimates of sea surface temperatures and some (not comprehensive) measurements of CO2 in the sea surfaces

Have worldwide measurements over the decades across the globe verified this number?

Very hard to measure, so no.

Does this number originate with "consensus" scientists, or is someone of the character of Professor Linzden of MIT part of this determination?

Lindzen starts out in a 1994 paper: "The question of global climate change has been a major item on the political agenda for several years now. Politically, the main concern has been the impact of anthropogenic increases in minor greenhousegases (the major greenhousegas is water vapor). The question is also an interesting scientific question. Restricting ourselves to issues of climate, the answer requires that we be able to answer at least two far more fundamental questions, both involving strong fluid mechanical components:
1. What determines the mean temperature of the Earth?; and
2. What determines the equator-pole temperature distribution of the Earth’s surface?"

Throughout the year, is this value linear across all points over water?

Definitely not. There is much more uptake than outgassing in high latitudes and much more outgassing than uptake in lower latitudes. Likewise more outgassing in summer than winter, etc. Also the ocean uptake and outgassing and vegetative cycling of CO2 is about 100 times greater than manmade CO2.

But by far the simplest explanation, that fits with the known evidence, is that nature was a source for CO2 up to around the 1800's when deforestation and manmade CO2 evened things up and now nature is a sink for CO2. We have some reforestation working to reduce CO2 (still IIRC net deforestation) but we have had never ending (exception for recessions) increases in fossil fuel burning.

30 posted on 05/12/2013 7:16:02 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: justa-hairyape
More CO2 means more wood.

That's good since that is my heat source in winter.

31 posted on 05/12/2013 7:17:05 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: muir_redwoods
CO2 doesnt worry me; plants “eat” it.

Yes, including algae. The weepers and wailers talk about blooms of algae and how awful that will be but it will sustain an awful lot more life in the ocean which with overall benefits.

32 posted on 05/12/2013 7:18:45 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: MtnClimber

“Their hockey stick graphs do not even show known temperature swings such as the little ice age”

That’s because Mann’s climate “model” (really just a few hundred lines of code, not even really a model) was a fake. It was designed to smooth whatever input data was used. Stephen McIntyre proved that any series of data input into Mann’s “model” would have the bumps smoothed out. So the “model” was deliberately designed to remove the inconvenient Medieval warming period. Mann then concatenated modern historical temperature data onto the end of a series of supposed historical tree ring data in order to get the stick to go up at the very end, but failed to acknowledge that little “trick” in the paper, which was akin to tacking modern orange production numbers onto a series of historical apple production numbers and then pretending such a graph means something. The model and the paper were a 100% fraud from beginning to end.

An ethical science would have drummed Mann out of its ranks for perpetuating such a fraud. But like all of the rest of our institutions being deliberately destroyed by the Obammunists, there’s no such thing as ethics in science any more.


33 posted on 05/12/2013 7:23:50 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: LouAvul

Seth Borenstein has as much to do with ‘science’ as algore and the Earth’s “millions of degrees” core.


34 posted on 05/12/2013 8:21:10 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Irenic

arbon Trading Schemes in Trouble and Ignored

Why are carbon trading issues that have gone awry ignored by the media? Two examples: 1-scam artists from around the world, capitalizing on lax regulations at the Danish emissions trading registry have made off with an estimated $7-billion over the last two years, and 2- the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) announced that it will be ending carbon trading this year. Both of these have been underreported (ignored?) by most media.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/31193

Carbon trading is proof positive that GW is a scam. It has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with money and control.


35 posted on 05/12/2013 8:22:09 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
One of America’s biggest problems is that we have way too many “experts” living here.

When the facts are on your side, present the facts. When the facts aren't on your side, present the experts.

36 posted on 05/12/2013 8:24:15 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

.....or too many believing they are experts when in fact they are simply repeating another source.


37 posted on 05/12/2013 8:25:39 AM PDT by caww
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To: palmer

thank you for your informative comments.


38 posted on 05/15/2013 5:55:17 PM PDT by sand88
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