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Law would stop Tesla electric car sales in NC
News Observer ^ | 5/09/13 | John Murawski

Posted on 05/11/2013 5:41:08 PM PDT by Libloather

To date, 80 North Carolina residents have squeezed their savings for the bragging right of owning the Tesla Model S electric car, some paying more than $100,000 for their g-force ride, but they may be among the last.

A legislative proposal, backed by the N.C. Automobile Dealers Association, would make it illegal for Tesla, or any other car maker, to bypass dealerships and sell directly in the state. The proposal cuts at the heart of Tesla’s business model: selling luxury cars over the phone or Internet and then delivering them to the front door of high-net-worth customers.

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The whole misunderstanding would go away, the dealers say, if Tesla sold its cars through licensed dealerships. O’Connell countered, in essence, that displaying a Tesla in a showroom of subcompacts and SUVs would be akin to selling Dom Perignon in the food court at the local mall.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsobserver.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cars; electric; greedydealers; greedydelaers; idiocy; nc; stupidity; stupidlaws; tesla
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1 posted on 05/11/2013 5:41:08 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Anybody who buys a Tesla is a fool but I don’t like the legislation. Sounds like the result of dealer lobbying.


2 posted on 05/11/2013 5:44:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree.


3 posted on 05/11/2013 5:45:58 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: Libloather

Yes, laws should be used to force consumers to buy products only in certain venues. THAT is what is troubling America today. /sarc>


4 posted on 05/11/2013 5:47:46 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast)
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To: cripplecreek

The dealers in this case are rent-seekers.


5 posted on 05/11/2013 5:48:14 PM PDT by jimfree (In November 2016 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: cripplecreek
Why would they be a fool? I like imagining that I would grab a Model S someday.
(Just as soon as that extra $100,000 bill gets accidentally dispensed from the ATM)
6 posted on 05/11/2013 5:48:50 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast)
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To: Perdogg

Its like buying a casket in most of America. Its illegal to do without going through a high priced funeral director.


7 posted on 05/11/2013 5:49:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

The middle man has to get his cut.

It’s the American way.


8 posted on 05/11/2013 5:52:34 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: cripplecreek

I’ll third or fourth that.


9 posted on 05/11/2013 5:53:42 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: cripplecreek

I tend to lean that way myself, from what I’ve observed in the Tesla purchase process. None the less, it really rubs me the wrong way to see a state try to insist there has to be a middle-man, which will only drive up the cost of the car, and drive down the sales.

If they have a legal problem with what Tesla is doing, then address the illegality and forget about this plan.


10 posted on 05/11/2013 5:55:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Leftist, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, fundamentalist Islamic policies, the death of a nation.)
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To: jimfree

I know a guy here in Michigan who has a 69 Impala ragtop with less than 200 miles on it. He even has the original wheels and tires hung on the wall for when he trailers it to car shows. He bought it right off the factory floor when he returned from Vietnam.

He signed the paperwork before the car was even finished and he drove it off the assembly line.


11 posted on 05/11/2013 5:57:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Libloather
The whole point of the retail system is to protect the consumer

No it's not. It's to maximize profit. There isn't any "system" either, that's just the old model for sales....before there was a cheap and available method like the internet.

When Sears started selling through catalogs at the end of the 19th century, was that some sort of end run around the "retail system", whatever that might be??

Protectionist crap. It's like here in California where dealers selling the same brands are restricted from being too close to each other: wouldn't want to let a little competition help the consumer, now would we?

12 posted on 05/11/2013 5:58:14 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Libloather

I would say that they are running a foul of the constitution as only congress can regulate inter-state commerce. Sounds like a good lawsuit for Tesla.


13 posted on 05/11/2013 6:45:49 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: cripplecreek

How does Costco get away with selling them?


14 posted on 05/11/2013 6:46:34 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

they pay some form of taxes to the localities would be my guess.


15 posted on 05/11/2013 6:54:34 PM PDT by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: VaRepublican

They’re tight with Baraq, maybe they got a “waiver”


16 posted on 05/11/2013 6:56:20 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

Its not legal in some states. In fact even in some of the states where its legal they must be shipped to a funeral home.

http://www.costco.com/The-Mother-Casket-by-Universal-Standard-Shipping.product.11008302.html

>>Currently, caskets can only be purchased from and shipped to addresses in the following states:
Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Florida, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

Your bill to and ship to addresses must both be in the list of states above for your order to be valid.<<


17 posted on 05/11/2013 6:58:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Libloather

The new sedan is a good looking vehicle I hate to say. .


18 posted on 05/11/2013 6:59:26 PM PDT by BuddaBudd (F U B O)
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To: Libloather

there is nothing wrong selling cars without using a dealership.

there is no requirement cars must be sold by a dealership. this is an anti-commerce bill. propping up dealerships.

besides it’s not like major car makers are jumping to do this, this is a dinky little seller compared to what dealerships sell. this has no impact on existing dealers’ bottom lines as they never sold tesla in the first place, and tesla ain’t ever gonna be a major contender against gm ford or chhrysler.


19 posted on 05/11/2013 7:07:01 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: cripplecreek

Indiana

I’m good!
thanks


20 posted on 05/11/2013 7:08:00 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Regulator

if this was true, they’d outlaw private sales, for our “protection”.


21 posted on 05/11/2013 7:08:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: cripplecreek

For these same reasons, in many states, you can’t buy a hearing aid, crutches, walkers, or wheelchairs unless properly “dispensed”.


22 posted on 05/11/2013 7:20:22 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is v?ery late in the day.")
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To: Libloather

What a stupid law. Anyone that wants one could just take delivery across the nearest boarder, couldn’t they?


23 posted on 05/11/2013 7:26:37 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: cripplecreek

Its like buying a casket in most of America. Its illegal to do without going through a high priced funeral director.
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You can buy one anywhere without any problem ... google mail order caskets or just goto http://www.walmart.com/ip/Executive-Privilege-Steel-Casket/12568640 ,, about 20 years ago a federal law was passed to stop funeral home abuses ... no funeral home can stop you from supplying your own casket and cannot jack up prices on other items to punish you if you do.


24 posted on 05/11/2013 7:32:56 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: cripplecreek

No fair minded conservative could support this bill.


25 posted on 05/11/2013 7:59:39 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: cripplecreek

That is putting it politely. The word for it is corruption. Is it a Dem or GOP controlled legislature?


26 posted on 05/11/2013 8:18:41 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: BuddaBudd

It looks really nice. I agree with you.


27 posted on 05/11/2013 8:20:43 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Almondjoy

This law is unconstitutional. Regulation of interstate commerce is the province of the federal government, not individual states.


28 posted on 05/11/2013 8:30:00 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: cripplecreek

It’s fascism. Classic use of government by the entrenched to destroy their competition.


29 posted on 05/11/2013 8:34:05 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Libloather

SC is wrong in this.


30 posted on 05/11/2013 8:59:15 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: cripplecreek

“Its like buying a casket in most of America. Its illegal to do without going through a high priced funeral director.”

Well, duh, of course it is. There are huge safety issues to take into account.


31 posted on 05/11/2013 11:17:17 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: cripplecreek

Obama and Clinton found four nice Caskets when the Benghazi Murder Victims showed up for the White House Photo Op.

Is there a Costco in Tripoli?


32 posted on 05/12/2013 12:02:12 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Obama / Clinton Benghazi (4), Ted Kennedy (1), my Gun Collection (0)...)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Is it a Dem or GOP controlled legislature?

GOP for the first time in 140 years.

33 posted on 05/12/2013 4:21:25 AM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: VaRepublican

Does Tesla avoid sales tax by selling over the internet? Is that what this is about?


34 posted on 05/12/2013 5:49:51 AM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: Mike Darancette

“SC is wrong in this.”
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Not at all, it is NC doing it, not SC.


35 posted on 05/12/2013 8:46:09 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: RipSawyer

OOPS sorry SC :)


36 posted on 05/12/2013 8:54:17 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: Libloather

North Carolina demands that your burger be cooked to 160 degrees, for your own good. Why would another stupid rule be surprising?


37 posted on 05/12/2013 2:19:26 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: BuddaBudd

I saw one yesterday leaving Eureka
It is a nice looking ride. If I had a lot of money and was looking for an electric car it would probably be a Tesla.


38 posted on 05/12/2013 2:31:12 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: Libloather

it just goes to show they are all corrupt. You would think that after getting control for the first time in one hundred and forty years that they would not do something like this.

GOP as bad as DEMS in that sense. Make no mistake that the biggest problem in government is this kind of corruption. This GOP controlled legislature should be ashamed but instead the are crooks compromising the public’s interest. In my book that makes them the lowest form of scum.


39 posted on 05/12/2013 5:51:20 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Yeah, the “government intervention bad- unless it benefits our donors’ brand of Republicanism. Disgusting.
40 posted on 05/14/2013 11:53:12 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
tesla ain’t ever gonna be a major contender against gm ford or chhrysler.

Highly likely, in 7 years they will be bigger than all three.

41 posted on 05/16/2013 9:16:45 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: cripplecreek

LOL...I wonder if they’re afraid somebody will try to pass off a used coffin as brand new. I’m not sure there’s much use for a casket lemon law. Certainly, there may be a few unhappy buyers, but when it comes to end user complaints, the industry has a perfect, blemish free record!


42 posted on 05/16/2013 9:23:23 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Cool Guy

five bucks they aren’t bigger than all three in seven years.


43 posted on 05/16/2013 9:32:48 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

$5 I am in - larger in Market Cap than all three within 7 years. You may want to hedge that by buying some TSLA stock today. You will be one happy camper in 7 years if you lose.


44 posted on 05/16/2013 9:46:51 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: Cool Guy

so what’s all included under the phrase “market cap”? how do we figure out exact worth - stocks, sales, assets, minus liabilities? personally i don’t think it would have to get this granular but i supose we ought to know what we’d be looking at, because i don’t think they will be selling more units than all three big automakers combined seven years from now. i also don’t think their market share will be larger than the big three automakers in seven years. just let me know what you’re considering.


45 posted on 05/16/2013 10:01:31 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Number of shares outstanding * Prices of each share

They may not sell more cars within 7 years, but their margins are a lot higher. They may also produce income by selling their technology to other auto manufacturers. Their potential to eventually sell more cars then other car companies will put at a value higher than all three.

If they operate their current California facility to half capacity (250,000 cars a year) or if they start production in their planned Texas facility in 5 years they will easily be valued higher than the other three companies in 7 years.

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUgDcA1pZAM

A great American innovation/success story.

46 posted on 05/16/2013 10:46:00 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: Secret Agent Man

Also I did not mean combined, but larger than all three individually.


47 posted on 05/16/2013 11:13:04 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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