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The Science of Guns Proves Arming Untrained Citizens Is a Bad Idea (Get in here!)
Scientific American ^ | May 8, 2013 | Michael Shermer

Posted on 05/10/2013 6:51:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 31,672 people died by guns in 2010 (the most recent year for which U.S. figures are available), a staggering number that is orders of magnitude higher than that of comparable Western democracies. What can we do about it? National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre believes he knows: “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” If LaPierre means professionally trained police and military who routinely practice shooting at ranges, this observation would at least be partially true. If he means armed private citizens with little to no training, he could not be more wrong.

Consider a 1998 study in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery that found that “every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.” Pistol owners' fantasy of blowing away home-invading bad guys or street toughs holding up liquor stores is a myth debunked by the data showing that a gun is 22 times more likely to be used in a criminal assault, an accidental death or injury, a suicide attempt or a homicide than it is for self-defense. I harbored this belief for the 20 years I owned a Ruger .357 Magnum with hollow-point bullets designed to shred the body of anyone who dared to break into my home, but when I learned about these statistics, I got rid of the gun.

More insights can be found in a 2013 book from Johns Hopkins University Press entitled Reducing Gun Violence in America: Informing Policy with Evidence and Analysis, edited by Daniel W. Webster and Jon S. Vernick.....

(Excerpt) Read more at scientificamerican.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guncontrol; lawenforcement; secondamendment; selfdefense; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Standard leftist fantasy, they must have a template to follow.


41 posted on 05/10/2013 7:47:45 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I harbored this belief for the 20 years I owned a Ruger .357 Magnum with hollow-point bullets designed to shred the body of anyone who dared to break into my home, but when I learned about these statistics, I got rid of the gun.

Pffffft! What a douch bag. Apparently, due to "statistics" his .357 is going to rise up and wax his ass. I wonder if he'll change his opinion if his home is invaded by dirt bags. Maybe he can debate them into leaving.

42 posted on 05/10/2013 7:48:16 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; TigersEye

I harbored this belief for the 20 years I owned a Ruger .357 Magnum with hollow-point bullets designed to shred the body of anyone who dared to break into my home, but when I learned about these statistics, I got rid of the gun. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Michael Schermer is a wuss. The 2nd amendment is not dependent on statistics. Rather than “getting rid” of his gun, wussy Michael should have booked some range time and taken defensive shooting courses to remedy his obvious paranoia about being a gun owner ( He drank the liberal koolaid?).


43 posted on 05/10/2013 7:50:22 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Scientific American hasn’t been either in decades.


44 posted on 05/10/2013 7:51:20 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amid a growing consensus that the staggering toll of gun violence in the United States is an urgent public health issue, the Johns Hopkins University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health has convened experts on gun policy and violence from the United States and selected other countries to summarize relevant research and its implications for policymakers and concerned citizens.


http://muse.jhu.edu/books/9781421411118


I smell a rat!


45 posted on 05/10/2013 8:00:42 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: NoLibZone

I agree with S.A. We need weapon handling classes in High Schools.


My ass! Weapon handling, and marksmanship training belongs in the hands of fathers, uncles, grandfathers, brothers. Get real.


46 posted on 05/10/2013 8:01:56 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

CDC has been repeating this long-disproven lie for many, many years.


47 posted on 05/10/2013 8:31:42 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Candor7
Frankly I don't believe that drivel is the least bit
authentic. It sounds like scripted agenda-speak to me.
48 posted on 05/10/2013 8:36:24 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Yo-Yo

At one time I was interested in subscribing to Scientific American. No longer.


49 posted on 05/10/2013 8:45:44 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: freeandfreezing
By the logic of the studies you could dramatically increase your safety by buying a house instead of renting one. But that defies logic, suggesting the underlying study methodology is incorrect.

You can buy a house in Detroit for $1 - then you'd be real safe.

50 posted on 05/10/2013 8:50:47 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Besides being a bunch of smoke and mirrors in its own right, this piece is yet another attempt to divert the truth about guns.

2A is about tyranny, not crime. Never was about crime, accidents, cheating spouses or shooting the barking dog next door.

None of us need *anyone’s* permission to protect ourselves, our families and our property. That is as natural & righteous as breathing.

2A does not “give” us the right to firearms, it simply reminds the government that it has no power to abridge that right. A right that we are born with.


51 posted on 05/10/2013 8:59:37 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The Science of Guns," eh? That's a very tenuous hook: one that will cost Scientific American. Apparently, Michael does like attention and has tried to get plenty of it with his many odd tangents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Shermer


52 posted on 05/10/2013 9:00:06 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet; All

The CDC is responsible for collecting all death information to produce their regular Morbidity and Mortality Reports. Goggle that to see how they present their statistics.


53 posted on 05/10/2013 9:01:19 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: max americana

***LOL, I never heard of that one. Liberals lie a lot, don’t they?***

Did a search as I had made comments on the article. Found it! Did not know that I had posted so much on FR! Here it is! from Jan 11, 2013!

WHY I GAVE UP MY GUNS.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2977507/posts


54 posted on 05/10/2013 9:14:12 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I harbored this belief for the 20 years I owned a Ruger .357 Magnum with hollow-point bullets designed to shred the body of anyone who dared to break into my home, but when I learned about these statistics, I got rid of the gun.

What, did he think his Ruger was going to crawl out of it's hiding place one night and get him?

55 posted on 05/10/2013 9:47:25 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: LibWhacker
“Don't know where this comes from, probably from some stupid movie. But I like it, so I'm postin’ it... So there.”

The movie is “Collateral” Tom Cruise & Jamie Foxx. Its the briefcase scene following the hit on the Penthouse guy. I am not a particular fan of Cruise but he played the bad guy Vincent really well but that is more of a credit to the director Michael Mann.

The pistol is a HK USP45.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Collateral#Heckler_.26_Koch_USP45

56 posted on 05/10/2013 9:48:46 PM PDT by Polynikes (What would Walt Kowalski do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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To: TheZMan

I’ve got it. His motto should be ‘Moron Labe’!


57 posted on 05/10/2013 10:04:18 PM PDT by pluvmantelo (Better 99 men suffer than 1 man enjoy illicit narcotics-M Bloomberg)
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To: 2banana
Japan has a near complete gun ban but yet has a much higher suicide rate than America

Mexico has a near complete gun ban yet has a crime rate much higher than America

Russia bans handguns for all civilians, and also bans long guns for almost all Russians except licensed hunters. However, Russia's overall per capita rate for murders committed with any and all types of weapons is almost 4 times higher than the overall US rate for murders committed with all types of weapons including guns. The study also found that many other Euro nations with very strict gun control laws have as high or higher per capita murder rates as the US has.

Its not the NRA saying all that, it's in part of a study of murder rates in several Euro nations that was made by two Harvard professors, and Harvard isn't exactly what I would call a pro-gun institution. Actually, in view of Harvard's well known hostility to our 2nd A rights I'm surprised that the results of that study were made public.

58 posted on 05/10/2013 10:14:16 PM PDT by epow (I'm not looking for the undertaker, I'm looking for the Upper Taker)
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To: bigheadfred

The propaganda in Scientific America is disgusting. Not once did they mention or dispute the finding of John Lott. or mention that Gun crimes are down. or prove that more gun laws would do anything to stop any more shootings.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/07/two-new-studies-gun-crime-has-dropped-dramatically-over-last-20-years-and-most-americans-have-no-idea/


59 posted on 05/10/2013 11:19:03 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

we should contact the liar at Questions for Skeptic magazine’s Executive Director and Editor-in-Chief, Michael Shermer, can be emailed to mshermer@skeptic.com.


60 posted on 05/10/2013 11:57:37 PM PDT by Exton1
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