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USAF Vet Willing to Offer National Cemetery Burial Plot to Bombing Suspect (Freak State Alert)
Fox 45 Baltimore ^ | 5/6/2013

Posted on 05/06/2013 6:10:09 PM PDT by markomalley

US Air Force (USAF) veteran Julie Frein said she is willing to give up her burial plot at Arlington National Cemetery to Tamerlan Tsarnaev - the deceased Boston bombing suspect.

The Anne Arundel County woman told Fox45 she feels the terrorist suspect should be able to be laid to rest and just wants it to all be over.

"I feel sympathy for [his family] in that as long as this issue is open, they can't have closure," Frein told Fox45's Joy Lepola. When asked how she thought Americans would react to the suspect being buried in a national cemetery, Frein replied, "Well the country would just have to get over that, wouldn't they? Because nobody, nobody deserves to rot above ground."

Frein has already called the funeral home in Massachusetts where Tsarnaev's body is currently stored and is in the process of contacting the Office of Veteran Affairs to see if she will be able to offer up her plot.

Frein served in the USAF for two years. Her husband served in the US Navy for 20 years.


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To: markomalley

From the Arlington cemetary webpage:
Persons Eligible For Burial In Arlington National Cemetery
32 CFR Ch. V (7–1–97 Edition)
§ 553.15
For Further Information Or Clarification Call 703- 607-8585

Army Alters Rules For Arlington National Cemetery - 1 June 2002

(a) Any active duty member of the Armed Forces (except those members serving on active duty for training only).
(b) Any retired member of the Armed Forces. A retired member of the Armed Forces, in the context of this paragraph, is a retired member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, or a Reserve component who has served on active duty (other than for training), is carried on an official retired list, and is entitled to receive retired pay stemming from service in the Armed Forces. If, at the time of death, a retired member of the Armed Forces is not entitled to receive retired pay stemming from his service in the Armed Forces until some future date, the retired member will not be eligible for burial.

(c) Any former member of the Armed Forces separated for physical disability prior to 1 October 1949 who has served on active duty (other than for training) and who would have been eligible for retirement under the provisions of 10 U.S.C. 1201 had that statute been in effect on the date of his separation.

(d) Any former member of the Armed Forces whose last active duty (other than for training) military service terminated honorably and who has been awarded one of the following decorations:

(1) Medal of Honor.

(2) Distinguished Service Cross (Air Force Cross or Navy Cross).

(3) Distinguished Service Medal.

(4) Silver Star.

(5) Purple Heart.

(e) Persons who have held any of the following positions, provided their last period of active duty (other than for training) as a member of the Armed Forces terminated honorably:

(1) An elective office of the United States Government.

(2) Office of the Chief Justice of the United States or of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.

(3) An office listed in 5 U.S.C. 5312 or 5 U.S.C. 5313.

(4) The Chief of a mission who was at any time during his tenure classified in class I under the provisions of 411 of the Act of 13 August 1946, 60 Stat. 1002, as amended (22 U.S.C. 866, 1964 ed.).

(f) Any former prisoner of war who, while a prisoner of war, served honorably in the active military, naval, or air service, whose last period of active military, naval, or air service terminated honorably and who died on or after November 30, 1993.

(1) The term ‘‘former prisoner of war’’ means a person who, while serving in the active military, naval, or air service, was forcibly detained or interned in line of duty—

(i) By an enemy government or its agents, or a hostile force, during a period of war; or

(ii) By a foreign government or its agents, or a hostile force, under circumstances which the Secretary of Veterans Affairs finds to have been comparable to the circumstances under which persons have generally been forcibly detained or interned by enemy governments during periods of war.

(2) The term ‘‘active military, naval, or air service’’ includes active duty, any period of active duty for training during which the individual concerned was disabled or died from a disease or injury incurred or aggravated in line of duty, and any period of inactive duty training during which the individual concerned was disabled or died from an injury incurred or aggravated in line of duty.

(g) The spouse, widow or widower, minor child and, at the discretion of the Secretary of the Army, unmarried adult child of any of the persons listed above.

(1) The term ‘‘spouse’’ refers to a widow or widower of an eligible member, including the widow or widower of a member of the Armed Forces who was lost or buried at sea or officially determined to be permanently absent in a status of missing or missing in action. A surviving spouse who has re-married and whose remarriage is void, terminated by death, or dissolved by annulment or divorce by a court with basic authority to render such decrees regains eligibility for burial in Arlington National Cemetery unless it is determined that the decree of annulment or divorce was secured through fraud or collusion.

(2) An unmarried adult child may be interred in the same grave in which the parent has been or will be interred, provided that child was incapable of self-support up to the time of death because of physical or mental condition. At the time of death of an adult child, a request for interment will be submitted to the Superintendent of Arlington National Cemetery. The request must be accompanied by a notarized statement from an individual who has direct knowledge as to the marital status, degree of dependency of the deceased child, the name of that child’s parent, and the military service upon which the burial is being requested. A certificate of a physician who has attended the decedent as to the nature and duration of the physical and/or mental disability must also accompany the request for interment.

(h) Widows or widowers of service members who are interred in Arlington National Cemetery as part of a group burial may be interred in the same cemetery but not in the same grave.

(i) The surviving spouse, minor child, and, at the discretion of the Secretary of the Army, unmarried adult child of any person already buried in Arlington.

(j) The parents of a minor child or unmarried adult child whose remains, based on the eligibility of a parent, are already buried in Arlington National Cemetery.

[42 FR 25725, May 19, 1977, as amended at 59 FR 60559, Nov. 25, 1994]


101 posted on 05/06/2013 7:25:59 PM PDT by Know et al (The greatest argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with a voter: Churchill)
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To: markomalley

This cements my theory that women, on the whole, are stupid.


102 posted on 05/06/2013 7:29:56 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: markomalley

She doesn’t have a plot to give up. Not the way it works at Arlington. Plus, since he’s not a veteran, he wouldn’t qualify. Two years in the AF - the only way she’s getting into Arlington is because her husband served 20. Just another idiot looking for attention.


103 posted on 05/06/2013 7:38:54 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: markomalley

I have a plot to offer. One condition: Cremation.

(here kitty, kitty)


104 posted on 05/06/2013 7:52:43 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

I have a plot the
Atlantic Ocean


105 posted on 05/06/2013 7:54:04 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: markomalley

I DO NOT THINK SHE MEETS EVEN THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS!!!
Both of my parents are..
I do ... USAF, CMSgt 31 yrs, 11 mo’s, 29 days....

Check here for internment requirements...

Persons Eligible For Burial In Arlington National Cemetery
32 CFR Ch. V (7–1–97 Edition)
§ 553.15


106 posted on 05/06/2013 7:58:41 PM PDT by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: markomalley

I would imagine the families who have honored vets buried there might very well have something to say about this...I see protests coming...


107 posted on 05/06/2013 8:00:07 PM PDT by caww
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To: yldstrk

....”what the hail is her issue”....

Attention...and likely spot in the news....good or bad she’s up for the publicity.


108 posted on 05/06/2013 8:03:41 PM PDT by caww
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To: markomalley

Bury the litle douche in a randomly selected prison grave yard...problem solved


109 posted on 05/06/2013 8:06:26 PM PDT by chemical_boy
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To: freedumb2003

She has never earned the right to be buried in Arlington. It is for our nation’s war dead plus our most senior and distinguished officer’s and NCO’s.


110 posted on 05/06/2013 8:07:55 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: ought-six

Your are correct. Draftees.


111 posted on 05/06/2013 8:09:39 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

I’ll go with you.


112 posted on 05/06/2013 8:27:29 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: markomalley

At the Ft. Leavenworth cemetery they bury two to a plot, in the case of married couples.
So, in the interests of political correctness, etc., I hope Julie is prepared to ride Speed-bump for eternity.


113 posted on 05/06/2013 8:27:30 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

you’re not sexist, you’re just plain a$$ stupid.

I’ve got several female friends in the military, and NONE of them would do this, actually from the ones I’ve heard from overseas, they want to contact old Uncles with pig farms for blood and parts. They want the terrorist drawn and quartered. Sound “unsound mentally to serve” to you?

They are better shots, and as far as I know better pilots than you can probably imagine.

Semper Fi to my Sisters in Arms.


114 posted on 05/06/2013 8:33:32 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: markomalley
My understanding of burial at Arlington required one of below:

1. Armed Forces member killed in action

2. Member of Congress

3. Big time donor to Bill Clinton campaign

115 posted on 05/06/2013 8:35:45 PM PDT by Jumpmaster (Mitt said he will put America back to work. 53% said "Screw that"!)
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To: Know et al

I don’t see terrorist in that list.

That woman is definitely off her meds and needs to be locked up.


116 posted on 05/06/2013 8:42:26 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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I think you are wrong...
My brother served the USAF in 1957 and it was four years..NOT two years...

When we had the Draft in this country you were to serve two years in the US Army...my husband was drafted, I recall it well...we were married just four months!!!!


117 posted on 05/06/2013 8:45:31 PM PDT by haircutter (,,,)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Excuse me....is that true???

My husband served just two years...with 19 months in Mannheim, Germany for the US ARMY...and you say a two year service does not earn you a spot in Arlington?

that's OK...as we will both be buried in a small Civil War Cemetery here in the Hills of Southwestern Pennsylvania...

118 posted on 05/06/2013 8:55:55 PM PDT by haircutter (,,,)
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To: markomalley
I agree. That there are many asshat moonbats living there was among the many reasons why I left that FREAK state after 30 years there. This woman is sick. Her husband should commit her immediately.
119 posted on 05/06/2013 8:57:53 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: ScottinVA

Your Post and Tagline are both very correct1
You nailed both.


120 posted on 05/06/2013 9:07:02 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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To: markomalley

He’s a dead piece of enemy crap now. No one wants crap buried in their back yard. Oh, except a mindless liberal woman. Did she offer her burial site to the little boy that got blown up? Didn’t read about that.


121 posted on 05/06/2013 9:37:23 PM PDT by fish hawk (no tyrant can remain in power without the consent and cooperation of his victims.)
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To: jespasinthru

My Aunt is buried at Arlington. I don’t think she served in the military. But her husband served in World War II and then for the government in rocket research later on. I figured being the wife of a vet was enough then? Would you happen to know? But perhaps I’m mistaken and she is a vet as well.


122 posted on 05/06/2013 10:11:19 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: Jemian

Like in one of those Clint Eastwood movies, something to the effect of:

“No we’re not gonna’ bury him. Buzzards got to eat - same as worms.”


123 posted on 05/06/2013 10:14:18 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: 2banana

USAF utilized the draft in the early 60’s when they didn’t meet their recruiting quotas. Draftees served two years. Enlistment during that period was 4 years.


124 posted on 05/06/2013 11:25:33 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: freedumb2003

Hook the drain from it right up to the coffin.I would pay to pish on him.


125 posted on 05/07/2013 2:19:04 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: markomalley
Didn't old Teddy Kennedy get planted at Arlington? I ‘feel’ plenty terrorized by his healthcare law. No I am not advocating the murderer get a spot in the National Cemetery. But I was not for old Teddy Kennedy getting planted there either.
126 posted on 05/07/2013 2:37:44 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: markomalley

Gads! I was actually joking with someone the other day that Holder will probably find a way to bury the terrorist in Arlington. I thought it was a joke, at least.


127 posted on 05/07/2013 3:47:36 AM PDT by livius
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To: driftdiver
two years? The Air Force has never offered two year enlistments.

probably one those scenarios where she got an assignment she didn't like so she got knocked up.

128 posted on 05/07/2013 3:48:14 AM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is the "One-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: markomalley
This can be his tombstone...


129 posted on 05/07/2013 3:51:11 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: markomalley

Lay him to rest in a dumpster and let the rats and dumpster divers feast on him.


130 posted on 05/07/2013 5:30:07 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'd rather be a living "gun culture" member than a dead anti-gun candy-ass.)
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To: haircutter

Yes, it is true. Arlington is reserved for MOH winners and their wives, those who were KIA, and such because there just isn’t enough room at Arlington for everyone who served.


131 posted on 05/07/2013 6:09:09 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Yo... take a deep breath. “Women are not qualified mentally to be in the military” simply because some nutso thinks a terrorist should be buried in Arlington?! That’s... just brilliant. I (yes a lowly woman in your eyes) served 23 years in Navy, had command of a ship in the Gulf, and do not share the thoughts of this AF so-called vet. Most vets, including women, do not. If you’d engage your brain before your mouth you’d realize that no one gets a “reserved spot” in Arlington and there are specific requirements to be buried there... being a terrorist isn’t one of them. Although “spouses” can be. http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/FuneralInformation/EstablishServices.aspx


132 posted on 05/07/2013 6:36:43 AM PDT by Snow Eagle ("... Against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC")
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To: driftdiver
Exactly.

And the National Cemetery doesn't let just any ol person be interred there, especially a “civilian” that is nothing more than a cowardly terrorist.

133 posted on 05/07/2013 7:04:39 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: anoldafvet

Since her husband spent 20 years in the Navy I would suspect that they were both in the military when they met, got married, and she applied for a separation because of marriage or pregnancy or both. Pretty common.


134 posted on 05/07/2013 7:10:15 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: ConservativeInPA
They are good admin troops.

They are not warriors.

While they may carry a weapon and such, they certainly do not have the natural aggression of a warrior.

They can be mean, they can be nasty, but they are not aggressive. Men are warriors, unless they are democrats.

Men with their oft-mocked aggressive chest-thumping behavior are driven to aggression by testosterone and that is what makes men warriors. To deny this is wrong-headed.

War fighting: It is natural for men. It is unnatural for women.

To ignore the role of physiology in war fighting is to ignore basic biological imperatives, embrace liberal lunacy and say, “well, heck, no difference between men and women in any situation, testosterone, estrogen, monthly cycles, whatever, we are all the same. . .aren't we just grand.”

From a career in the USAF, I have seen many women pilots.

The best female pilot I've seen was good. Not excellent. Not superior. Just “good.” In pilot training most all women wash out, and if it looks like none of the women have the right stuff, then the strongest gets a Samsonite handle attached to her back and she is carried through the program.

Why?

When flying fighters a natural aggressiveness is necessary to turn that machine into a weapon of war, and to do that you need to be aggressive, not mean, you need to have a driving innate force within you to fight.

The swagger and bravado of females that fly fighters (not female fighter pilots, as there are none), is forced, is not natural.

I won't even go into the sexual dynamics of a unit when females are introduced, as well as the issues that arise from a societal point of view (and what is says when we send young mothers with small infant children off to fight in wars).

135 posted on 05/07/2013 7:23:15 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: markomalley

Tow years of service? Unless she meets some other criteria, I doubt she has the plot to give away.

Criteria under which a non retired service member may be buried:
From the Arlington Website:

d.Any former member of the Armed Forces whose last active duty (other than for training) military service terminated honorably and who has been awarded one of the following decorations:
1.Medal of Honor
2.Distinguished Service Cross (Air Force Cross or Navy Cross)
3.Distinguished Service Medal
4.Silver Star
5.Purple Heart

(There are some others, but I doubt she served in the 1940s.)


136 posted on 05/07/2013 7:43:54 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." ¬óR.C. Sproul)
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To: markomalley

Whatever. Someone will just smash the headstone and drag the dead rodent back out.


137 posted on 05/07/2013 8:02:50 AM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: markomalley

What’s the deal with this b!tch... is she one of the younger brother’s fan girls???


138 posted on 05/07/2013 8:59:13 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: markomalley

Bury the clown at sea, just like that other terrorist, Bin Laden.


139 posted on 05/07/2013 9:59:41 AM PDT by FDNYRHEROES (It's 3 AM. Let me sleep on it. I'll get back to you in 16 hours.)
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To: radiohead

MUZZIE? or muzzie sympathizer?


140 posted on 05/07/2013 10:14:18 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1

hehe

http://bethambaltimore.org/whoweare/staff

...Administrative Assistant/Publication
Julie Frein (office4@bethambaltimore.org or extension 10)

Julie creates, edits, and publishes printed materials for Beth Am such as the monthly bulletin, postcards, Shabbat brochures and flyers. She also coordinates electronic communication for the congregation. Julie has been at Beth Am since the beginning of 2008...


141 posted on 05/07/2013 10:20:15 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: ought-six
The only service that had a two year hitch was the Army with draftees.
I enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1966 and had a choice: 2, 3 or 4 years.
I chose 3 years rather than 2 thinking it might keep me from going to VN straight out of boot camp.
I was right. I was assigned to a mortar battery at Camp Pendleton ... 6 weeks later I was off to 'Nam. See how smart I was :)
142 posted on 05/07/2013 12:39:25 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: markomalley; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...
When asked how she thought Americans would react to the suspect being buried in a national cemetery, Frein replied, "Well the country would just have to get over that, wouldn't they? Because nobody, nobody deserves to rot above ground."

That's why a pine box and a shallow, unmarked grave in the woods is fine with me.

My volcano suggestion from yesterday still stands as well.

By the way, there has GOT to be something the Air Force can do to stop this woman. It's like she's spitting on her own grave.

Combined General and Maryland "Freak State" PING!

143 posted on 05/07/2013 1:13:03 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: markomalley

OMG. Truly insane.


144 posted on 05/07/2013 1:24:52 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It better not be at Arlington NATIONAL Cemetery!

Can you imagine the size of the protest crowd?
I might have to go to any cemetery reserved for our military heroes and their families.

Yes, on second thought, I will keep the car gassed-up and a suitcase packed for the trip to ANYWHERE!


145 posted on 05/07/2013 1:47:54 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: markomalley

I still think they should hang his body in a cage on Boston Gardens. Either that or take him out to sea and dump him, like Bin Laden...

146 posted on 05/07/2013 5:20:29 PM PDT by Kenton
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To: markomalley

This is just pure Bravo Sierra.

The best this killer deserves is a pauper’s grave...unnamed, unmarked, in an innocuous county owned portion of some grave yard.

As to her foolish statement about no one deserving to rot above ground.

Wrong.

But he’s not rotting, he’s being kept in some morgue on ice until his fate is determined. Ship him back to Chechnya, one way, to either of the parents or to other relatives. They’ll figure it out.


147 posted on 05/07/2013 7:39:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Cremated then flushed down the toilet...with accompanying Koran.


148 posted on 05/08/2013 5:06:47 PM PDT by BufordP (Chuck Norris doesn't check under the bed anymore. He wears Clint Eastwood pajamas.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; markomalley; 3D-JOY; Albion Wilde; trooprally; Jimmy Valentine's brother; ...
Video of dingbat
149 posted on 05/08/2013 5:12:37 PM PDT by BufordP (Chuck Norris doesn't check under the bed anymore. He wears Clint Eastwood pajamas.)
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To: oh8eleven

Damn, you’re right!

I found this on a USMC site:

“On 2 May 1967, Headquarters Marine Corps once again authorized two-year enlistments. To keep personnel turbulence to a minimum, the Commandant decreed that two-year contracts would constitute no more than 20 percent of all new enlistments. Between l July 1966 and 30 June
1967. Only 16.9 percent of all enlistments were for two years; over half were for four years.”

I was in the USAF (1970 - 1974), which was a four year enlistment. USN was a four year enlistment. USA was two years (if a draftee); three years if an enlistment. USMC was a three year enlistment, unless they grabbed you out of the draft (in which case it was a two year active-duty commitment).

Anyway, a long time ago.


150 posted on 05/09/2013 5:25:38 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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