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Breaking: Pentagon Confirms May Court Martial Soldiers Who Share Christian Faith
Breitbart ^ | 5/1/13

Posted on 05/01/2013 9:27:40 AM PDT by Nachum

The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense...Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis...”.

The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.

(From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)

Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


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To: manc
thanks, something keeps me fighting for some reason but today after hearing 15 year old girls can get the morning after pill and then the day went down fast.

Did you miss that in California 12 year olds are being provided condoms through an internet distribution program?

351 posted on 05/01/2013 10:24:52 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: goodnesswins; hummingbird; F15Eagle
"I’ve had those feelings for about the past 3 years...."

Same here. That evil presence beyond the horizon has been stalking since just after my dad died in 2009. I'm so glad he is not here to see these things.

352 posted on 05/01/2013 10:40:32 PM PDT by pigsmith (Now I understand why America is not mentioned in the end times.)
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To: pigsmith

The rapidity at which this country is turning away from the One True God of Israel is breathtaking. Astonishing. Frightening.

Something may indeed be coming. I don’t know what, but the mere fact I felt that *after* the Boston Bombing unsettled me.


353 posted on 05/01/2013 10:43:18 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Nachum

I wonder what Obama would do if you were a Homosexual who shares Christian Faith. Call for Court Martial or call of congratulations?


354 posted on 05/01/2013 11:34:29 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: Nachum

I’m sure it’s been said much in this thread (I’m just reading it), but this and open gay service) is about draining the military of patriotic Americans and loading it up with those who will have no problem opening fire on American citizens.


355 posted on 05/01/2013 11:39:13 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: ScubieNuc

No, those who identify an act of witnessing, as an act of proselyting, do not understand Christianity.

No human being is able to ‘convert’ another human being into becoming a Christian. Conversion is the work of God.

Man can witness to one another, but we lack the power to convert. (When you find somebody with the ability to create human spirits, then they might be able to accuse them of converting somebody from being the old man to a new man.)


356 posted on 05/02/2013 12:28:30 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: caww

I concur.

I rejoice when my fellow man comes to Christ, but if they don’t, that is an issue between them and God.

I love them so I would never want them to be condemned to the Lake of Fire for all eternity future, but when they reject what He provides, they are already condemned and simply await a direct verification at the Great White Throne Judgment.


357 posted on 05/02/2013 12:37:56 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: caww

The accusation of ‘spiritual rape’ being identified with communicating the Gospel, manifests much.

About the only person who would make such an identification would be a spirit which is not in fellowship with God, possessing the soul of the author, who immediately recognizes the power of Christ in the mind of the unbeliever when first introduced to the Gospel.

Every human is born dead of that spirit until the good news of Christ is communicated to Him, and he exercises faith/belief in the work of Christ on the Cross. Such persons might be enemies of Christ until they receive Him, and already condemned, but only those who further degenerate into quenching the Holy SPirit, actively find the good word to be ‘offensive’.


358 posted on 05/02/2013 1:19:46 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: caww
You've read the Bible too, including the Old Testament. History is there for all to see. The patterns unfold in the same way. It pains me to see even family members - intelligent professionals with advanced degrees - celebrating gay "marriage", utterly blind to the much more baleful reality of which it is a harbinger. They are as curious children intrigued and delighted by the growing flock of vultures circling overhead, blind to the real meaning of their presence.

Something will awaken America. Question is what?

359 posted on 05/02/2013 1:27:20 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Cvengr

Sounds like you are doing a word dance just so you can feel right or just so you can argue with someone.

What do you think this apparently new Pentagon rule is talking about? It’s talking about witnessing or talking to others about Jesus. That’s what they or others mean by “proselytising”. Come on, man, talk about the real topic. Why do you feel the need to side track it with definition arguments?


360 posted on 05/02/2013 2:28:32 AM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: RetiredArmy
Time for all Christians to get out of the military

I suspect that is what they want. A military filled with people who WILL fire on Americans.

361 posted on 05/02/2013 3:23:41 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Hardraade

Yes


362 posted on 05/02/2013 3:45:51 AM PDT by cork (Remember Bengazi!)
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To: Nachum

There was a Mormon onboard my sub that continuously shared his Mormon faith - it was kind of annoying!


363 posted on 05/02/2013 4:49:05 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist

There are non mormons on Free Republic that continuously share their disdain and are very annoying


364 posted on 05/02/2013 4:55:26 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: Rastus

That’s precisely the idea. And......it will work.


365 posted on 05/02/2013 4:59:28 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Future Snake Eater

How is the “I love Sodomy” training going?


366 posted on 05/02/2013 5:04:08 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: BitWielder1

I’ve never bought into the “conscription is bad” mantra. The armies of Korea and World War II were extremely professional. I’m not sure how our CS and CSS units would do in a Pusan or Bastogne scenario; my guess is the female component would crumble quickly.


367 posted on 05/02/2013 5:07:02 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: MSF BU; SoldierDad

Well, you guys are obviously experts in the day-to-day goings-on in the military, so I’ll take my 14 years of enlisted and officer experience and sit here quietly while you educate me.


368 posted on 05/02/2013 5:08:17 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

The military culture hasn’t changed? Go talk to a veteran of the military before there were day care centers.


369 posted on 05/02/2013 5:10:25 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: New Jersey Realist; NYer; P-Marlowe
There was a Mormon onboard my sub that continuously shared his Mormon faith - it was kind of annoying!

The first amendment guarantees him the right both to express himself and to have that be about his religion. Our choice is to debate him or to ignore him.

The Founders thought it better to permit free expression than to have the government involved in trying to control what people think and say.

I agree with them. Giving government the power of thought and speech police is far more dangerous than some random guy talking about his understanding of God.

370 posted on 05/02/2013 5:11:41 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

As you should; go talk to somebody who fought in WW II, Korea or Vietnam...somebody who served prior to sex integrated units, consideration of others training and day care centers.


371 posted on 05/02/2013 5:12:49 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: MSF BU

Cool, man. Teach me more about how the military is now. I really don’t know.


372 posted on 05/02/2013 5:17:08 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Then you know all about the day care centers, the rates of pregnancy in low density MOS’s, etc. etc.


373 posted on 05/02/2013 5:20:50 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: MSF BU

Wait, I thought we were imprisoning Christians. Should we be imprisoning females? I’d better get the staff to work on this next phase.


374 posted on 05/02/2013 5:22:04 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Ben Mugged
>>I spent 20 years in the Air Force and not once
>>experienced proselytization.
 
Before or after the Focus On the Family farce shoved its fallible and uninspired foot in the door of the AFAcademy...?
 
http://www.jewsonfirst.org/07b/weinstein_debate.html
 


"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;
 
...
 
 that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "
 
"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"
--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
 

375 posted on 05/02/2013 5:33:43 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: 444Flyer

Yes, this is an amazing thing to witness.

The greatest commission is unfolding before us. We have lots of work to do and it will not be easy. Indeed many will fail and fall away in fear. Others will be persecuted and killed for their faith.

The time of parables is quickly closing.

Matthew 13


376 posted on 05/02/2013 5:35:58 AM PDT by EBH (Warning this person is a Catholic, Tea Party Patriot, and owns a copy of Atlas Shurgged)
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To: Future Snake Eater
http://www.amazon.com/This-Kind-War-Fiftieth-Anniversary/dp/1574883348

There you go; why don't you order it and read it. In the interim, make sure you keep teaching the troops that sodomy is normal...I'm sure it's something you've personally embraced.

377 posted on 05/02/2013 5:36:23 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: MSF BU
Wait, so who am I not imprisoning?
378 posted on 05/02/2013 5:37:24 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: hummingbird

I still say the night the DNC took that vote to “put God back in the party platform,” and they voted NO, 3 times was a prophetic moment. But to then have that broadcast around the nation and globe solidified the hardening of their hearts.

Many compared that moment to Peter’s denial.

I compared it more to Joshua 24. That night the DNC had the opportunity to look around themselves and express gratitude to all that God has blessed our nation with. Instead they issued a denial and essentially bowed down before the government, a false god to say the least.

I said, ‘as for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord.’


379 posted on 05/02/2013 5:43:57 AM PDT by EBH (Warning this person is a Catholic, Tea Party Patriot, and owns a copy of Atlas Shurgged)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Your mind I suppose, why not familiarize yourself with those terms...Tet, Bastogne, or Pusan. The welfare army won’t last forever. How is the daycare center doing? It’s a real force multiplier as I’m sure you realize. Look how much Hal Moore did with his...wait, do you know who Hale Moore is?


380 posted on 05/02/2013 5:54:13 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: xzins; New Jersey Realist
The first amendment guarantees him the right both to express himself and to have that be about his religion. Our choice is to debate him or to ignore him.

Absolutely right! One of my former managers was a Mormon 'bishop'. He loved to talk about his faith. Ironically, it helped me to delve deeper into my own faith in order to rebut some of his accusations. Neither one of us, however, ever attempted to coerce the other. If anything, it was most insightful since up until that point in time, I had never met a Mormon nor had anyone ever challenged what I had been taught.

381 posted on 05/02/2013 5:57:25 AM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: TArcher
“...fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others...”

Figures a hypocrite would quote another hypocrite about a hypocritical subject about a convoluted argument, lol.

What is liberty and truth? You deem to shut that up apparently. Acts of coercion, like forcing to attend certain religious denomination practices is one thing, but when you whitewash debate and openness in allegiance to a particular State, you are welcoming totalitarianism, in this case, from a Marxist direction. Congratulations on being a tool.

I guess the Colonel who prayed in Jesus' name at a picnic I attended on military grounds for military personnel leaving to PSA should be facing a court martial? Btw, he was a commander, not a Chaplain. Talk about State sponsored tyranny over the mind of men that Weinstein promotes indeed.

382 posted on 05/02/2013 6:04:38 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

Yes, another example would be Hal Moore who is a devotee of the Latin Mass or a more current example would be LTG Boykin.


383 posted on 05/02/2013 6:08:11 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: rollo tomasi

[I guess the Colonel who prayed in Jesus’ name at a picnic I attended on military grounds for military personnel leaving to PSA should be facing a court martial?]

I s'pose that would partially depend upon whether attendance at the picnic was mandatory.

In America, the faith of an Individual is rendered between their self and their Creator - not as a state-established construct for the pleasure of the money changers perched upon the temple steps.


384 posted on 05/02/2013 6:14:18 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: New Jersey Realist; xzins
There was a Mormon onboard my sub that continuously shared his Mormon faith - it was kind of annoying

So your right not to be kind of annoyed trumps everyone else's right to free speech and religion?

So you would use the power of the state to silence people who might annoy you?

385 posted on 05/02/2013 6:18:43 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: TArcher

Nope, but your Weinstein character that you pimped sure as hell would call for the Col.’s “chains” in the face of a long standard practice of public religious observances.

Your hyperbole is pathetic, btw, abuse does not correlate to the censorship you propose. Would rather live in a world where men are free to openly express ideas while men can openly say I don’t give a hoot.


386 posted on 05/02/2013 6:23:39 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Nachum
didn't they release this statement like a month ago or something?
387 posted on 05/02/2013 6:28:19 AM PDT by Drawn7979
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To: rollo tomasi

>>your Weinstein character

Weinstein’s character is his own, and without the Farce on the Family’s McSheeple — that character would be irrelevant.


388 posted on 05/02/2013 6:31:44 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: P-Marlowe; New Jersey Realist; NYer

We believe religion and free speech are rights granted by God.

Essentially, we think God says we can speak our mind. God doesn’t say there won’t be consequences for it.

All the US Constitution says is that the government can’t control or retaliate for your speaking your mind on any subject: God, politics, etc.

If the consequence of my talking to you about God is that you ignore me in the future, then I’ve got to deal with that. If you punch me in the jaw for it, then I get to rejoice because they hated the prophets before me. On the other hand, I might find a better way to tell touchy people about God or learn to altogether ignore those who I don’t think are ready.

What shouldn’t happen, though, is someone enlists the government to silence all who say things they don’t like to hear.

Why in the world would anyone want to give the government that kind of power!?


389 posted on 05/02/2013 7:05:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Resettozero

Those with hatred in their hearts will not understand what you are saying.

I saw the same kind of hate on the thread about some tv personalities that are Christian who went to the correspondence dinner for Obama. You would think those personalities were Devil worshipping evil doers.


390 posted on 05/02/2013 7:40:49 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Diogenesis

Reagan was unable to do much more than stall the coming darkness, and he had Sandra Day O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy blowing out his candles.


391 posted on 05/02/2013 7:41:53 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Nachum

So now everyone in the US government has to chose THIS day, who they will serve.

Let the pieces fall where they may.

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.


392 posted on 05/02/2013 7:44:45 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Future Snake Eater; MSF BU
I’ll take my 14 years of enlisted and officer experience and sit here quietly while you educate me.

Apparently I have missed something over the course of the last 14 years. It appears that FSE is the only member of all four branches of the Armed Forces. That must be the case, since he is claiming that HE knows everything about everything that goes on in each branch, and at every base, fort, grounds, AO, etc. I don't know if it would be cool to be that omniscient, or just a gigantic pain in the butt.

393 posted on 05/02/2013 7:44:54 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Nachum
We need to disband America's standing army immediately.

The same goes for America's standing police army.

394 posted on 05/02/2013 7:45:49 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: EBH
Amen!

Revelation 12:10-12:

"Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”"

395 posted on 05/02/2013 8:06:56 AM PDT by 444Flyer
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To: combat_boots

imagine if the founding fathers or Washington could see how this country being run today, homosexuals, cross dressing CIC goes ot bed while seals are under attack , the lies and cover up and half the country not even caring just like the CIC


396 posted on 05/02/2013 9:20:42 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SoldierDad
That must be the case, since he is claiming that HE knows everything about everything that goes on in each branch, and at every base, fort, grounds, AO, etc.

Isn't that exactly what you're claiming here?

397 posted on 05/02/2013 9:21:31 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: MSF BU

No, I have no idea. Please educate me some more!


398 posted on 05/02/2013 9:22:14 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: SoldierDad

my feelings too, from what I have seen to having pals still serve to seeing crosses taken down to homosexuals trying to get married quarters by lying to skinny unfit or very overweight women joining.
Damn right it changed and today we have officers who care more about their own promotion it seems than the country.

BTW Thanks for the service from your family pal, looks to me I will be the last from my family sadly and now my oldest is looking at other avenues


399 posted on 05/02/2013 9:25:13 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Future Snake Eater
I know you won't believe this, but I'll say it anyway: the military's culture hasn't changed a lot over the years, . . .

I'd say I was being pretty specific with calling you out on one area in which you are obviously out of touch with reality. The culture in the military has greatly change in just the time since my son enlisted (2005). I hear from him often regarding changes, and most of which are NOT FOR THE BETTER, as you claim.

400 posted on 05/02/2013 9:26:32 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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