Time to Buy a Dishwasher and Boy Have They Changed! EPA ruins dishwasher tech

4.28.13 | chickensoup

[SkyDancer]

Our family has always hand washed cleaning up after meals. It always amused us when we visited friends who had DW’s and saw the cleaning up they did before loading the DW. The time it took to pre-wash they could have finished up and set dishes to drain. I’ve found washing up to be great therapy and an engineering challenge. How to fit everything nicely into the drainer. :D

[Colorado Doug]

I have a question; do you just lie when the page comes up saying you must affirm that you are buying this for commercial/industrial use only? My hubby says, just mark the box

Just charge Hubby a dime to wash the dishes a time or two and it will be a commercial use. Better yet, have JRandomFreeper send you some auto parts he needs cleaned. Charge him a small fee and you are in business. Then he won't have to let them soak in the bathroom. A dishwasher works great on carburetors!

[acapesket]

It’s been serviced multiple times to the tune of mucho bucks.
Why are your panties in a twist? I hate the thing and it’s my money, I’ll pull it out and sell it from my driveway.

Maytags are nice, however I do realize that these are now all of the same manufacturers.

Ya win some, ya lose some. I lost.

[reformedliberal]

The nice thing about a traditional model, where you can actually open the lid, is that you can see if you need more water and you can then add HOT water from a hose attached to the laundry sink faucet if you want.

The GE model I referenced in #166 does have a huge stainless steel tub. Their *small* sized load is quite adequate for a regular amount of weekly laundry for 2 adults who wear jeans and sweatshirts and actually get dirty. I can look, see how much water is in there compared to the washing and actually add water on the fly.

If we all begin to inspect every appliance before we buy, ask a lot of questions, do research and demand something that works, we will get it.

[Sun]

What year is your Bosch washer?

[reformedliberal]

You have to push a button and count to three to stop it in its cycle.
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Yeah, right. And 2 out of 3 times, the damned machine will then restart from the beginning of the cycle. Had that *feature* on the HE washer I returned.

BTW, I did use the HE washer for about 10 days before it could be replaced. I used my regular laundry detergent, which is a sensitive skin type and had no problems.

[leapfrog0202]

Chicken I’ve never heard that before about dishwashers being different at local vs big box stores.

My husband worked at Home Depot about 10 years ago and he said he never heard that. He thinks that would be too much tinkering for manufacturers because they like as many interchangeable parts as possible. But we could both be wrong too.

[Rodamala]

Phosphate-free Trisodium Phophate.... now that’s funny. That’s like the “Carbon-Free” 5lb bag of Domino sugar I saw last year.

[Mamzelle]

This one is less than three years old. In the last fifteen years, I've put in two Boschs, and one Kitchen Aid that I hated with a passion. It never got one dish decently clean. My first Bosch died through no fault of its own and I didn't find out until late into the Kitchen Aid debacle that the Bosch had been plumbed wrong.

My present Bosch is not as good as my first Bosch, but still head and shoulders above the Kitchen Aid. I really like the Quick Wash feature, but it is for easy washes. It is very handy when I am doing holiday type cooking when I want to do one load after the other. It's true that it does not dry--but it can get the dishes hot enough that that dry without a blower dry.

I use dishwashers harder than most housewives.

[reformedliberal]

they used to be rollers. Hands would get caught in them. I’m not that old (60) but i’ve seen pictures.
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I AM that old and I remember watching my mother use one. We were simply careful.

For 50 years we have had washing machines without rollers and I know of no one who ever got themselves injured inside a clothes washer.

I actually have to reach inside my washer when making my product. I simply TURN IT OFF while doing so, then turn it back on and, with the lid open, watch to make sure everything is ok. I have been doing this for 30 years and have never hurt myself.

[lonestar]

they used to be rollers. Hands would get caught in them. I’m not that old (60) but i’ve seen pictures.

I AM that old and I do remember!

Worse was when we had to go to the creek and beat the clothes on a rock.

[Mamzelle]

Well, I scrape into a compost can and fling the into the dishwasher, usually as I’m cooking as I designed my kitchen to have the DW next to both stovetop and sink. I’ve never soaked anything unless it was stuck on really hard. I know people who do their own dishwashing and they don’t cook as much as I do, or as hard. Honestly, if I had one of those huge grand kitchens I see on HGTV I’d have two dishwashers.

[ladyjane]

Acapesket

Writing nasty FReepmail messages is very poor form.

Obviously you are very angry and hate your Bosch.

Do not post to me or Freepmail me again.

[reformedliberal]

For stuck-on-hard try Dawn Power Dissolver! I love that stuff. Usually found on the shelf next to all the other Dawn dishwashing products. Lasts a long time, too. I am so dependent on it, that I usually have a spare bottle around, just in case I run out.

[Graybeard58]

“{now that the EPA doesnt permit us to have phosphates.”

Not so, it depends on where you live, how phosphates are regulated (not banned):

As phosphates are not illegal to use as an ingredient in dish detergents, manufacturers may still use them for up to 24 percent of a detergent’s formula.

As of July 2010, the ban on phosphates in dish washing detergent is voluntary. States that have adopted this ban or are increasing their regulation of the sale of phosphate detergents include Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7669969_phosphate-banned-detergent.html

[acapesket]

As I said ladyjane, please do not try to post other folks personal info even though you are incorrect. I have always enjoyed a certain modicum of privacy on these threads. Dishwashers are irrelevant.

[Sun]

Thanks for the info.!

[leapfrog0202]

Here is mine. As you can see, it tells me there is 55 minutes left in the cycle. I chose the power scrub cycle because I had some really baked on stuff in my pots. It runs 126 minutes. And the red star says my rinse agent is low. There is a quick wash that runs something like 35 minutes. Then there are 2 other cycles. The inside, contrary to some other comments still is in great shape at about 3 years old. We have very hard water here in Albuquerque and I have no problems with spotty glasses or anything. We use Finish tablets and the Jet Dry. Once every 3 months I run a dishwasher cleaner through it. When on the Bosch website I found the closest model to what we have - that's the one I linked to. Hope all this helps you make a decision and one you're happy with for years to come! I love this dishwasher and as other posters have said, it's so quiet (and my chair in the living room is on the other side of the island area from where the d/w is) sometimes we have to open it to make sure whether it's on or off.

[catnipman]

“I looked into that but the TSP in my hardware store states: Contains no phosphates on the label.”

In Colorado, you can’t buy TSP anymore as it is supposedly used to make meth, and stores all “voluntarily” quit selling it. Instead, they sell a product that has the brand name “TSP”, which of course contains no TSP.

What you want as an additive to both clothes washing and dishwasher is STPP anyway. Real STP can damage your washer and dishwasher.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

Looking for a good dishwasher?: In the famous words of Henny Youngman, Take my wife, please!”