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Florist faces second lawsuit over gay wedding refusal
EWTN News ^ | 4/23/2013

Posted on 04/23/2013 2:52:31 AM PDT by markomalley

A florist in Washington is being sued for a second time after choosing not to provide flower arrangements for a gay customer's upcoming wedding.

Barronelle Stutzman of Arlene's Flowers in Richland now faces two lawsuits, one from the Washington state Attorney General and another from the American Civil Liberties Union, for turning away business for a same-sex couple’s wedding.

When frequent customer Curt Freed approached Barronelle Stutzman of Arlene's Flowers last month to provide arrangements for his September wedding ceremony to Rob Ingersoll, the florist said she could not provide services due to her religious beliefs.

On the company's Facebook page, Stutzman described the incident after many receiving comments, saying she explained her position to the customer who said he respected her opinion.

She said that “because of my relationship with Jesus Christ,” she could not comply with his request to do floral arrangements for his wedding. It is her deeply-held conviction that marriage is between a man and a woman, she wrote in the post.

Stutzman recalled that the two hugged and Freed left the store.

It was not until after the couple relayed the story to their friends who were “livid” with the florist’s decision and posted about it on Facebook, according to a Seattle Times story, that they began to receive attention from the local media, and eventually the state Attorney General Bob Ferguson.

After he learned of the incident Ferguson sent a letter to Stutzman “requesting she reconsider her position and sign an agreement indicating her intention to comply with Washington laws.”

When Stutzman’s attorneys responded saying that she would challenge any action to enforce the state’s anti-discrimination law, the Attorney General filed a consumer protection lawsuit against the florist who has been serving the area for the past 37 years.

In it, the state seeks a fine of $2,000 and has issued a court-order requiring Stutzman to comply with state law.

“Under the Consumer Protection Act, it is unlawful to discriminate against customers on the basis of sexual orientation,” Ferguson said in a statement on April 9.

“If a business provides a product or service to opposite-sex couples for their weddings, then it must provide same-sex couples the same product or service.”

Now Stutzman faces a second lawsuit as the American Civil Liberty Union filed one April 18 on behalf of Freed and Ingersoll.

“When a business serves the general public, the business owner’s religious beliefs may not be used to justify discrimination,” ACLU of Washington legal director Sarah Dunne said in a statement.

The ACLU lawsuit seeks a court order “barring the florist from discriminating against customers on the basis of sexual orientation” as well as damages “for the violation of the couple’s rights.”

Attorney Justin Bristol, who is representing the florist, argues that these cases are violating his client’s constitutional rights to freedom of speech, expression and religion.

Although Stutzman holds religious beliefs that do not validate same-sex marriage, enforcement of this law would force her “to express assent” for the issue.

“Can the state require a painter to paint a portrait of a gay couple? Could the state require a musician to write a song?” Bristol asked, according to the Associated Press. “Can the government compel them to say something they don't want to say? It violates the First Amendment.”

“It's not a public accommodation case,” he said. “She simply doesn't believe in gay marriage. She believes marriage should be between a man and a woman.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: aclu; antichristian; antifamily; diversity; harassment; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; nofreedomofreligion; nofreespeech; pc; politicalcorrectness; tolerance; washington

1 posted on 04/23/2013 2:52:31 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

freedom of association

can’t allow that I guess


2 posted on 04/23/2013 3:03:03 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: markomalley

This isn’t a funny issue, but the idea of the musician being compelled to write a song for a gay wedding made me laugh.

“So I wrote this totally sucky awful crappy whacky song for you, oo, oo....” ;0)


3 posted on 04/23/2013 3:04:24 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: markomalley
So, if this florist can't refuse to provide flowers to a wedding because of her religious beliefs, how did Muhammad Ali avoid the Vietnam war because of his religious beliefs?
4 posted on 04/23/2013 3:04:40 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle (Hil)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

So... could she refuse to make a cake for an 8th grade orgy party?


5 posted on 04/23/2013 3:07:09 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: markomalley

Can the state force you to be a supporter of gay rights?


6 posted on 04/23/2013 3:07:17 AM PDT by FoxPro
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To: markomalley
“If a business provides a product or service to opposite-sex couples for their weddings, then it must provide same-sex couples the same product or service.”

This is why we need lawyers to talk for us. I would happily argue in court that providing flowers for a real wedding for a real couple is an entirely difference product and service than providing flowers for a fake wedding for a gay "couple". I would also argue that the courts have no authority to enforce a clearly unconstitutional law and that they have no power to force compliance, since they would be going against the laws of a higher Power. It's better for a lawyer to make a more nuanced argument in court. In public though, I would happily state that position once the courts were done meddling with my free exercise of my God-given rights.

7 posted on 04/23/2013 3:12:29 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: FoxPro
Can the state force you to be a supporter of gay rights?

You will be required to offer incense to the god of the State religion. Or face punishment.

8 posted on 04/23/2013 3:18:34 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

Serious question. Can any lawyers here tell me why the defense for this and like cases does not bring up all the religious exemptions for Muslims? like Obamacare?

Because equal protection seems to indicate that it would.


9 posted on 04/23/2013 3:35:12 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: markomalley

Why not just buy the flowers elsewhere?


10 posted on 04/23/2013 3:40:32 AM PDT by magellan
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To: markomalley

It is called free Enterprise. now the gays want to state that by rights guaranteed by God (actually it is government) they can have whatever they want. Is not that theft? America does not supply your every want.
America has a unwritten policy get off your butt and work for it dammit. Unfortunately there are some whom feel the are entitled to get a free ride off the sweat and blood of others whom their backsides off.

If the Gays want flowers at their weddings just go to a Gay florist. They just want to make an example of a woman whom stands by principals, morals and values. It is a foreign concept to them principals, morals and values.

They have been Disneyfied - Kamu Matata - Lion King - An animated film that the Liberals thinks is real life.


11 posted on 04/23/2013 3:44:17 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: markomalley

> “Can the state require a painter to paint a portrait of a gay couple? Could the state require a musician to write a song?” Bristol asked, according to the Associated Press. “Can the government compel them to say something they don’t want to say? It violates the First Amendment.”

Excellent points by the defending attorney.

I am certain that if I had a valid consumer protection complaint against a retailer, much less an invalid complaint that violated the retailer’s 1st Amendment rights, that I would not receive the direct attention of the State Attorney General.

Homosexuals have disproportionate influence over elected officials.


12 posted on 04/23/2013 3:46:30 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: hondact200

exactly.

What damages? Just buy your cake elsewhere.


13 posted on 04/23/2013 3:48:51 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: hondact200

work is missing work their backsides. mind working faster than fingers. Or maybe I need a cup of coffee. wait a minute I do not drink coffee. or is it I need a shot of something stronger. wait I do not drink either.

opps sorry about the word missing just one of those mornings. not even six o clock and look out the window and it is April 23, 2013 and it is snowing. 8 - 12 inches of snow expected. On Sunday it is supposed to be 70 degrees.

sorry again must be the effects of global warming or it is George Bush’s fault.


14 posted on 04/23/2013 3:51:10 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: markomalley
Once J.R. and the Supremes render a pro-homo marriage decision watch how many pastors are sued or arrested.

It will start happening fairly quickly - they will move fast to consolodate their power.

15 posted on 04/23/2013 3:56:05 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: markomalley

the rainbow lobby has decided to drive this woman out of business


16 posted on 04/23/2013 3:58:02 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: FoxPro
Can the state force you to be a supporter of gay rights?

That's what this case will show
17 posted on 04/23/2013 3:59:09 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: markomalley

Florist ran out of pink roses, end of story.


18 posted on 04/23/2013 4:00:18 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: markomalley

This is what the push for gay marriage is all about. They will then sue Christian churches for refusing to perform weddings and wipe them out. Is there any doubt of their evil intent?


19 posted on 04/23/2013 4:12:31 AM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: markomalley

“If a business provides a product or service to opposite-sex couples for their weddings, then it must provide same-sex couples the same product or service.”

How long before a church is sued for not performing the “wedding”?


20 posted on 04/23/2013 4:15:14 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the alter of "gun free zones"?)
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To: markomalley

I find it odd that people even mention what they need flowers for. Just order flowers and tell them where to deliver. This is another reason why we don’t need Gay Marriage....they will yell it from the roof tops. There is absolutely ZERO need to tell the florist what the flowers are for. Hope the florist wins just for the gays being stupid.


21 posted on 04/23/2013 4:18:13 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: Pollster1

A lawyer will use the same tactic that they use for blacks. Denny’s awhile ago was not serving blacks at their locations. A lawyer had to get in the way to allow Black customers to eat at Denny’s. Lawyers can be good and bad. Why in 2000’s, blacks were not served at Denny’s is beyond me.


22 posted on 04/23/2013 4:21:00 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: markomalley; sickoflibs
maybe she outta just send the damned flowers, and if the arrangement happens to be less than her best work, so be it...last time i checked, flowers dont have 'this end up' printed on em...

mix a little stink weed in for added aroma, maybe add a bit of raw manure to it as well...really get an ambiance in a butt-pluggers ceremony...

23 posted on 04/23/2013 4:28:13 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: stilloftyhenight
They will then sue Christian churches for refusing to perform weddings and wipe them out. Is there any doubt of their evil intent?

It is the driving purpose of the State. It can't have an organization calling evil 'evil'. It has to shut it down; silence it.

24 posted on 04/23/2013 4:36:08 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Gilbo_3; markomalley
RE :”maybe she outta just send the damned flowers, and if the arrangement happens to be less than her best work, so be it...last time i checked, flowers dont have ‘this end up’ printed on em...
mix a little stink weed in for added aroma, maybe add a bit of raw manure to it as well...really get an ambiance in a butt-pluggers ceremony...”

Where I live in Maryland they have had a bunch of laws outlawing discrimination based on ‘orientation’ like that for a while.
If she loses these lawsuits or decides they cost to much a simple legal action she can take is to post posters in her store windows that call homosexuality perversion.
Maybe gays will boycott her business.

25 posted on 04/23/2013 4:41:18 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: magellan

Why not just buy the flowers elsewhere?”

...because then they couldn’t sue this guy and let the world know loudly and proudly exactly what it is they do in their bedroom!!!


26 posted on 04/23/2013 4:42:28 AM PDT by albie (s)
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To: markomalley

Since gay people have a shorter average lifespan than normal people, the florist should say that they will be happy to provide flowers for the funeral.


27 posted on 04/23/2013 4:48:26 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: markomalley

then it must provide same-sex couples the same product or service.

We used to call this Involuntary Servitude


28 posted on 04/23/2013 4:54:26 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: markomalley

Real men don’t need flowers at their wedding anyhow. Oh, wait...


29 posted on 04/23/2013 4:55:27 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: markomalley

Sounds to me like a good way for the florist to get rid of all of her old stock she was getting ready to toss in the dumpster.


30 posted on 04/23/2013 5:03:31 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: napscoordinator
A lawyer will use the same tactic that they use for blacks. Denny’s awhile ago was not serving blacks at their locations. A lawyer had to get in the way to allow Black customers to eat at Denny’s. Lawyers can be good and bad. Why in 2000’s, blacks were not served at Denny’s is beyond me.

Actually that wasn't true, even though the parasitic lawyers won as they too often do. Denny's gave whites who were not regular customers bad service too, with those regulars who tipped well getting preference. The blacks who got the usual Denny's service, the same I had experienced with some customers seated before me even in the same size group, sued and won.

31 posted on 04/23/2013 5:15:00 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Venturer

Looks like the biggest mistake is again airing the issue on social media!
The queer customer was fine with her decision!
The other queers found out from FB and got them riled and called in the protectors of queer mandate!
A queer situation!


32 posted on 04/23/2013 5:18:05 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: GeronL

“freedom of association....can’t allow that I guess”

Freedom of association was eliminated with the smoking bans. Many a FReeper celebrated such actions and now they can enjoy the fruits of their joy.


33 posted on 04/23/2013 5:20:14 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: napscoordinator

And I’m sure there are plenty of florists that would gladly accept their business. They are purposely targeting this woman.


34 posted on 04/23/2013 5:20:42 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: markomalley
That's right...just keep pushing, poking and prodding us to accept and embrace what so many find distasteful and others find abhorrent.

Keep pushing us and pushing us to the win you seek for yourselves at our expense until our tolerance and patience are exhausted and then we go Old Testament on you.

You had better hope you lose in court, otherwise that time is coming and all your deepest fears will come to pass.

35 posted on 04/23/2013 5:23:06 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: markomalley

I must say, I’m getting so tired of these activist lawsuits targeting small businesses.

I don’t care what people do in their homes, but I do believe marriage is a sacrament. And it seems the gay activists often go after easy prey.

They have Hollywood sewn up; why trash people who are just trying to make a living?

(btw, I’m in a bit of a crabby mood this a.m. Sorry! :) )


36 posted on 04/23/2013 5:23:53 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (R.I.P., James Helmuth, my nephew who passed away at ten years old, from cancer, on March 23.)
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To: markomalley

“Sorry. The flowers didn’t arrive in time for the ceremony.”

Oops.


37 posted on 04/23/2013 5:23:59 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: Pollster1

I’d say okay and give them a bunch of weeds.


38 posted on 04/23/2013 5:46:29 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: magellan

I’m sure you know it isn’t about the flowers.


39 posted on 04/23/2013 5:47:00 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: napscoordinator

I can tell you what I have heard from waitresses. Generally, blacks don’t tip well. Simple economics.


40 posted on 04/23/2013 5:49:26 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: markomalley
She should just give them an arrangement with these:


41 posted on 04/23/2013 5:51:04 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: GeronL

“...could she refuse to make a cake for an 8th grade orgy party?”

It depends on what judges, pols, or 51% of the voting public think about 8th grade orgy parties at any one time.

Freegards


42 posted on 04/23/2013 6:16:06 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: markomalley

She said that “because of my relationship with Jesus Christ,” she could not comply with his request to do floral arrangements for his wedding.

THAT was her mistake! What she SHOULD HAVE said was:

“Because of my relationship with the prophet Mohammed,”.........


43 posted on 04/23/2013 6:16:11 AM PDT by massmike (At least no one is wearing a "Ron Paul - 2016" tee shirt........yet!)
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To: markomalley

This is all about entitlement and forcing people to “do what’s right” against their own judgement.

It started with forcing businesses to fill quotas and to not refuse services based on gender, race, religion etc with the 60’s civil rights movement. Now we have “same sex discrimination”—demanding “civil rights” and if we refuse they get outraged. When we opened this door, we can’t shut it back and say, well it was okay for these people, but it isn’t okay for these people.

We have a whole generation of people who feel special and “entitled” and if they feel the least bit slighted, they can take legal action.

How about the checkout girl wearing a hijab who asks customers to move their own bacon off the conveyor belt and bag it themselves because she won’t touch even packaged bacon?
Should she be fired because she refuses to do her job properly or will she insist that we’re being biased against her religion?

We need the freedom to refuse without penalty. Let us have the simple freedom to say “if you don’t like it, you can go somewhere else”.


44 posted on 04/23/2013 6:21:44 AM PDT by Southern Magnolia
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To: napscoordinator
Why in 2000’s, blacks were not served at Denny’s is beyond me.

As I recall, the Denny's case concerned several busloads from a black church on a long trip that pulled into a Denny's at peak time on a busy weekend. The plaintiffs decided it was a sign of bigotry that it took forever to get service, it being a meaningless technicality that 500 or so other customers in buses had gotten there ahead of them. What normal people do if they don't want to wait in line is go to the next rest stop, which is the option the manager suggested at the time.

The rule of thumb is that 99 percent of all "discrimination" incidents are planned long in advance by the plaintiffs' lawyers to create the ideal confrontation and the most sincere-sounding surprise and outrage—the Montgomery Bus Boycott being a textbook example, where M.L. King and Rosa Parks were chosen and trained for the event months in advance.

Certainly by the 1980s, it's been a safe assumption that all civil rights cases brought by "protected class" plaintiffs are fictitious.

45 posted on 04/23/2013 6:53:03 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: markomalley

Just make the floral arrangements the worst ever, dead flowers, horrible arrangements, and charge them a dollar for it.


46 posted on 04/23/2013 7:49:24 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: FoxPro

The point is to have the State force you to renounce Christ.


47 posted on 04/23/2013 7:50:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: markomalley
The ACLU lawsuit seeks a court order “barring the florist from discriminating against customers on the basis of sexual orientation”...

Does the ACLU mean to imply that you may not discriminate against polygamists, pedophiles, and bestiality-ists (sp?), as those, too, are "orientations of (a type of) "sexuality"? And may soon be removed from the nut, I mean, psychiatric list of mental illnesses, if the nuts running the asylum have their way.

48 posted on 04/23/2013 4:49:25 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Ransomed

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3011412/posts

Middle School Girls Forced to Ask for “Lesbian Kiss”


49 posted on 04/23/2013 10:18:09 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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