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Feinstein: Buy a shotgun to defend yourself from terrorists
Washington Examiner ^ | April 22, 2013 | Charlie Spiering

Posted on 04/22/2013 7:29:17 AM PDT by theruleshavechanged

Feinstein cited the Vice President Joe Biden’s promotion of the use of a shotgun for self-defense.

“[Y]ou could use a 12-gauge shotgun and have a good defensive effect and there’s the element of surprise,” she added.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


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KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; guncontrol; guns; liberals; secondamendment; terrorists
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To: theruleshavechanged

Hey thanks for the tip Diane! I’ll go right out and purchase a Siaga 12 with a big drum magazine. How’s that?


51 posted on 04/22/2013 7:56:11 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: theruleshavechanged

Time for DiFi to have a mental examination.

Seriously.

FUDF.


52 posted on 04/22/2013 7:57:34 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: theruleshavechanged
I have no problem with using a shotgun for personal defense ... preferably a Benelli semiauto, with an extended magazine, loaded with 'buck and ball'.

And no, don't fire two "blasts" into the air. Only Slow Joe Bitme is dumb enough to do that.

Aim (yes, you do have to aim a shotgun) at the bad guy's center of mass.

Of course, and AR-15 also makes a dandy self-defense weapon. Preferably with several of the standard capacity 30rd magazines.

53 posted on 04/22/2013 7:58:11 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Feinstein: Watertown Citizens Don’t Need Assault Weapons to Protect Themselves
National Review ^ | Apr 21, 2013 | Andrew Johnson / FR Posted by KeyLargo

Senator Dianne Feinstein (Dem-Calif.) stood by her push for an assault-weapons ban when Fox News Sunday’s Chris Wallace pressed her on whether Boston and Watertown residents may have preferred to arm and protect themselves on Friday while the suspect was at large. “If where you’re going is, do they need an assault weapon? I don’t think so,” she said. (Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...

54 posted on 04/22/2013 7:58:18 AM PDT by Liz
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To: theruleshavechanged

No,DiFi, a sixth grader knows better than you.


55 posted on 04/22/2013 7:59:20 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: theruleshavechanged

O.K. Diane - YOU buy a shotgun to deal with a terrorist attacker.

I’ll use an M-1 Garand to defend MYSELF.

Then we will see who the terrorists take out and who they don’t.

What a totally clueless idiot and idiologue.


56 posted on 04/22/2013 8:01:04 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: theruleshavechanged
Feinstein: Buy a shotgun to defend yourself from terrorists

I would be interested in what Senator Feinstein would recommend as weapon of choice to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government?

57 posted on 04/22/2013 8:01:12 AM PDT by varon (USA Nationalist)
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To: theruleshavechanged

Every Democrat needs to take an NRA safety class.

Now.

And quit fantasizing about firing warning shots into the night, or blasting through your front door.


58 posted on 04/22/2013 8:01:51 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: theruleshavechanged

I bet one dollar that no one has ever shown her a 12 gauge slug and 5.56 round side by side...


59 posted on 04/22/2013 8:03:16 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Liz

thats not fair, I mean really the choice between a naked DiFi or a Oreintal Hottie... really, which would YOU choose :)


60 posted on 04/22/2013 8:06:33 AM PDT by wyowolf
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To: wyowolf

ROTFL——good one.


61 posted on 04/22/2013 8:08:06 AM PDT by Liz
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To: theruleshavechanged

Besides the fact that she is stupid and corrupt, for the vast majority this is not such a bad idea. Little training or practice required to produce some significant deterrent effect.

A shotgun is easy to use effectively and at the short ranges of an urban environment against criminals or a mob probably just as effective or more so than a 5.56. A pretty good weapon also for a militia tasked with keeping public order.

Being an out-of-practice, out of shape duffer, I personally would much rather have a 6-shot 12ga pump than an AR-15 if the times got more interesting.

In open country or in a city where the opposition is a military or paramilitary force it would be much less effective because of inability to penetrate body armor and poor range. Also not so good for sustained suppressive fire for tactical purposes. So a lower value (though not negligible) choice for an effective anti-government guerilla force, which is the implied purpose of the second amendment in the present context.

The best (for the typical person) guerilla weapon legally available to US civilians is certainly the 5.56 semiautomatic rifle.


62 posted on 04/22/2013 8:09:05 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: theruleshavechanged
Some shotguns are a better choice than others.


63 posted on 04/22/2013 8:14:22 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: theruleshavechanged

I have a shotgun. But hard to keep a shotgun in your nightstand.


64 posted on 04/22/2013 8:15:56 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Mastador1
That’s okay, Obama doesn’t shoot skeet, he shoots rim!

yeah..rim....with Larry Sinclair..and Reggie Love...

65 posted on 04/22/2013 8:17:13 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight,, he'll just kill you.)
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To: LMAO
I bet DiFi has never touched a gun in her life.

Oh, she has touched them, having photographs taken of her doing so in her ongoing efforts to ban as many of them as she can. She has or owns a gun herself, too.

What she hasn't experienced is being herself shot at. Or defending herself with firearms, alone and outnumbered. Or being mugged. Or suffering house invasion, car jacking, or your garden variety convenience store robbery. In the latter, all she can think of are the guns aimed at shopkeepers, but never acknowledgement of those aimed right back at the criminals (except for cops doing so).

Now she recommends shotguns. Maybe this is progress in the right direction, and we should coo at her, making pleasant noises to solidify what she just said...then work on getting her to revise and extend those comments.

Shotguns can be unwieldy in tight quarters, since short barrels have been deemed taboo. Pistol-grip rigs are too "scary" also. (I should have bought that stainless Mossberg 20 gauge cruiser for about $225 when I had the chance).

Handguns are quicker to draw out from beneath the cash register, Diane. Don't you want people to be able to protect themselves? But Diane, your own bodyguards carry handguns. Don't you have a California concealed carry permit, yourself Diane?

So WE change the subject away from scary looking "high-power" semi-auto rifles to handguns for a while, then to "high-power" bolt actions, which can have a LOT more down-range power than typical .223 AR variant. After pounding them on handgun possession as sadly enough, necessary equalizer (necessary to protect the innocent ---women and children too) then we go on to the idea most Americans should not be prohibited from possessing and carrying on their persons a handgun (unless we can openly carry shotguns and bolt-action rifles?) without there being just cause --like certifiable insanity, felony conviction involving use of force, or habitual criminal, etc.

One big problem with having only a shotgun to defend oneself against "terrorists", is that that leaves a person having to get within 35 or 40 yards. If they have guns (they'll get 'em somewhere, even if they have to smuggle them in concealed in bales of marijuana) why afford then that advantage? The cops searching for ONE skinny 19 yr old, inexperienced noOb, were geared up to the max. All we ask for, are at least basic minimums, for ourselves. Those minimums do not begin and end with blunderbusses.

I'll promise to put only 25 rnds in a 30 rnd mag, if that will help...but need the extra 5 rnds worth of empty space in the magazine to help extend mag-spring life.

66 posted on 04/22/2013 8:17:20 AM PDT by BlueDragon (drinking tea leads to right wing racism. gospel according to chrissy the sissy matthews)
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To: Liz

Isn’t there some sort of geneva treaty regarding shotguns and the army. They are considered a weapon of mass destruction? or something along those lines?

So feinstein is just playing a shell game. Telling americans to violate the “international law” with something that will be confiscated as banned.


67 posted on 04/22/2013 8:19:16 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: theruleshavechanged
For once, I agree with Feinstein. I told my wife that I need to get a new anti-terrorist shotgun. My short list:


68 posted on 04/22/2013 8:19:34 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: theruleshavechanged

most women can’t handle a 12 gauge shotgun let alone fight with it my wife included. Give her a 9 mm Uzi though and she’s quite effective. as for me, I was an infantry rifleman. I’ll take an AR15 thank you.


69 posted on 04/22/2013 8:20:24 AM PDT by RC one (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: theruleshavechanged

We will need a shotgun to defend ourselves from Slimestein.


70 posted on 04/22/2013 8:20:58 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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71 posted on 04/22/2013 8:21:41 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (The Old White Flag Republicans can go straight to He// and take their pal Obama with them!)
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To: theruleshavechanged

I could also use a Feinswine blow-up doll to beat the perp over the head. That would also contain an element of surprise.


72 posted on 04/22/2013 8:22:42 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: RC one
I was an infantry rifleman.

Same.

I’ll take an AR15 thank you.

Meh - AR15 is, IMO, overrated.

73 posted on 04/22/2013 8:23:26 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Ancesthntr

That’s all true but she still isn’t too bright. I remember when she was questioning Sam Alito and he gave a detailed answer which was perfectly understandable to me (but I actually read the constitution and history) but she said “well I don’t understand that, so let’s move on.” And she’s on the Judiciary committee! She works by emotion and not by actual thought. She can’t intellecutually do battle with somebody like Cruz.


74 posted on 04/22/2013 8:23:55 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Malone LaVeigh

If the name of a previously widely banned shotgun was changed from “street sweeper” “citizen’s anti terror 12 gauge” could they be made available again? A 20 rnd drum is sufficient. They tell me the 30rnd and larger are a bit too heavy.


75 posted on 04/22/2013 8:25:49 AM PDT by BlueDragon (drinking tea leads to right wing racism. gospel according to chrissy the sissy matthews)
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To: svcw

Excellent.


76 posted on 04/22/2013 8:30:03 AM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: theruleshavechanged

citing the obvious re assault weapons ban and gun control in general: as though politicians really give a rat’s ass about the safety of US citizens. Gun control is nothing more than the politicians and the elites who control them wanting to deny the citizens the ability to reach out and touch one of their own. this unspoken fact (taboo) needs to become common knowledge to every US citizen. Gun control IS NOT ABOUT THE CHLDERN


77 posted on 04/22/2013 8:31:39 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: cotton1706

And the other California dingbat - Boxer - stated “I’m not answering these questions” when Santorum was pinning her down on when a baby was a baby and not subject to partial birth abortion.


78 posted on 04/22/2013 8:33:03 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: theruleshavechanged

Yea, I’m not looking to defend if someone comes in my house.

I’m on the offensive and moving towards them as I unload magazines in their mortal bodies....


79 posted on 04/22/2013 8:33:46 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Paine in the Neck
My understanding is that a 12 ga with 00 buck is less likely to over penetrate that a 5.56 round, depending on which 5.56 round you use. See discussions here and here.
80 posted on 04/22/2013 8:34:10 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: theruleshavechanged

Irrespective of what this corrupt crook says I happen to think that in urban areas a shotgun is very effective home defense weapon.


81 posted on 04/22/2013 8:35:07 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: thackney

what is that? is that real?


82 posted on 04/22/2013 8:36:27 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Oh man, I read that wrong. 00 buck is in fact more likely to over penetrate in some cases. Sigh.

Incidentally, I agree that this is neither here nor there with respect to the larger argument: It’s none of this hag’s business to make MY home defense choices for US.


83 posted on 04/22/2013 8:37:42 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
Well, given my druthers, I'd go with one of these:

The Kel-Tec KSG.

Capacity: 14 rounds in 2 onboard magazines, and one locked and loaded. . .

84 posted on 04/22/2013 8:48:30 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: longtermmemmory
Click the above pic for the link.

It is the KelTek KSG.

It is real, but good luck finding one.

The KSG weighs 6.9 lbs. and is as compact as legally possible with a 26.1” overall length and an 18.5” cylinder bore barrel. Even with this compact size, the internal dual tube magazines hold an impressive 12 rounds of 12 gauge 3” rounds in total (6 per tube). It can also reliably shoot shells as short as 1 3/4” up to the 3”


85 posted on 04/22/2013 8:49:48 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

I would LOVE to have an AA-12, but so far as I know, there’s no civilian semi-auto version produced. And that is one SERIOUSLY pimped-out Saiga 12, and it doesn’t even have ALL the tacti-cool accessories. . .


86 posted on 04/22/2013 8:54:26 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: svcw

Pretty much says it all - great post.


87 posted on 04/22/2013 8:57:06 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: thackney

I’ve seen plenty of them on Gunbroker. You just have to be willing to play $1800 or more for a weapon with a list price of $1149. . .


88 posted on 04/22/2013 8:57:14 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: theruleshavechanged
I think I know why they want us to only use shotguns.

Shotguns are typically ineffective against body armor and you can be easily killed by an armored assailant (militarized jackboot) who knows you only have shotguns.

89 posted on 04/22/2013 9:02:58 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Salgak

Some really get carried away:

Buy it for $4,000.00
for $4,000.00


90 posted on 04/22/2013 9:03:37 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: varyouga

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=338099594


91 posted on 04/22/2013 9:03:54 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: varyouga

Which is why I use slugs in my home-defense shotgun. . . if nothing else, I just broke several ribs. . .


92 posted on 04/22/2013 9:06:48 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
I don’t know if she still has it, but at one time Fineswine held a concealed-carry permit.

Yup. And I don't think she used it to conceal a shotgun.

93 posted on 04/22/2013 9:08:28 AM PDT by raisetheroof ("To become Red is to become dead --- gradually." Alexander Solzhenitsyn)
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To: theruleshavechanged

She wants her closer foreign relatives to have an advantage against us, eh?


94 posted on 04/22/2013 9:14:09 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: OneWingedShark

opinions vary. I have the AR10 for special occasions.


95 posted on 04/22/2013 9:31:44 AM PDT by RC one (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: theruleshavechanged
Uh...yeah. I'm going to take tactical advice from an upper-class twit who happens to be a gun control fanatic. Right.

Now, I'm all in favor of the element of surprise in this sort of engagement but if you're being attacked by terrorists you probably don't have a lot of options regarding stalking the buggers. Chances are you're standing and fighting because you can't run. "Cowboys and terrorists" makes for great fantasy fare but I don't see a lot of real-world tactical scenarios working out that way. I wish it were otherwise - the good guys would win more if it were.

That said, a shotgun makes a jolly close-range defensive weapon, especially if you'll lose the bird-shot silliness and recognize that if you have to shoot at someone you're not really going to be overly worried about overpenetration - the first object is to put them down, hard, so that they don't get up. It's a weapon, for Pete's sake, not a warning. And most (but not all) self-defense scenarios are within its effective range.

That said, they're a pain to tote and slower than a pistol to present. And practice sufficient to make me even marginally tactically proficient tends to make me sore as hell. And no, you can't assume that shot spread makes up for poor marksmanship, because it doesn't. But I'd sure rather have one than want one.

96 posted on 04/22/2013 9:33:04 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: theruleshavechanged

I like shotguns.
An article written by a coroner a few months back noted that even kevlar body armor won’t help survivability against a shotgun blast. There will be sufficient internal organ damage from blunt force impact that unless the wounded gets medical attention with 20 or 30 minutes, he will expire from the impact injuries.


97 posted on 04/22/2013 9:35:45 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: theruleshavechanged

DiFi, can I have that in semiauto with rifled barrel and a scope? Didn’t think so, mind your own business.


98 posted on 04/22/2013 9:42:50 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: theruleshavechanged

Feinstein: Buy a shotgun to defend yourself from terrorists

OK


99 posted on 04/22/2013 1:17:25 PM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: theruleshavechanged

she needs a keeper certifiably incompetent
ever hear a pump shotgun rack a round? no surprise there


100 posted on 04/22/2013 1:22:29 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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