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Barack Obama can't pass gun control despite 90 per cent support.
The Telegraph ^ | April 18th, 2013 | Tim Stanley

Posted on 04/18/2013 5:45:28 AM PDT by apillar

Yesterday, the most modest of gun control proposals died in the Senate. It would have expanded background checks to people purchasing weapons at gun shows and online sales, enjoyed 90 per cent support among the public and came on the back of the tragedy at Newtown. Yet, despite all that it had going for it, the Toomey-Manchin bill raised just 54 votes – six short of the number necessary for passage. “This is a pretty shameful day for Washington,” said Obama afterwards. It wasn’t exactly a red letter day for him, either.

Barack Obama is a lame duck president. Nobody listens to what he says anymore, nobody is interested in winning his approval and nobody much cares if he thinks they have “let the country down”. This is typical for a second-term president who has lost all their leverage because they’re no longer running for office and everybody is patiently waiting for the day when he quits the White House. But Obama's difficult personality has doubled the size of the challenge. Gloating in victory, adolescent in defeat – the Prez doesn’t make it easy to work with him. Why should conservative senators give him a legislative victory after he has spent four years painting them as knuckle-dragging rednecks who hate women and the poor?

Whatever your position on gun control, yesterday’s events are a damning indictment of Obama’s presidency – a flash of style, lots of soaring rhetoric and, when the votes are actually counted, little show for any of it. America has four more years of this lame-duck president telling them that it has let him down. If only he could tear up the Constitution and rule by diktat he might save himself a little disappointment. Alas, American democracy is a stickler for rules.

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To: apillar

“... enjoyed 90 per cent support among the public...”

The lie that the MEDIA generated just crapped in their faces!

I love it how the MEDIA states, “this is what people want to know.”

When actually - it’s what the MEDIA wants people to know - the control of information...THANK YOU FREE REPUBLIC - Free minds reading and discussing topics without journalist input!


51 posted on 04/18/2013 6:10:42 AM PDT by BCW (I'm searching for John Galt)
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To: apillar

This opinion piece is a load of crappola.

“Dr Tim Stanley is a historian of the United States”

Another liberal “historian”. History is what he wishes it was, facts as determined by him.


52 posted on 04/18/2013 6:10:53 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Mr. K

That’s what I am trying to figure out.


53 posted on 04/18/2013 6:10:55 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Pretty sure is was 90% of 1,925 likely voters. Who just happened to be radical left wing extremist demokkkrat scumbag socialists who would like nothing better than to disarm the law abiding victims of the compromised states of America. Or maybe they had help from mikey mann and they used his hockey stick. Possibly they sacrificed a chicken or goat to come up with these numbers. If not, then the other 10% have sure bought a WHOLE lot of guns and ammo in the last few months. 500 rds .22lr for $149.00!!!!! WTF?


54 posted on 04/18/2013 6:11:26 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Can someone please cite this 90% number?

We'll need the assitance of a proctologist with a flashlight.

55 posted on 04/18/2013 6:11:41 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: apillar; Perdogg
RE :”Whatever your position on gun control, yesterday’s events are a damning indictment of Obama’s presidency – a flash of style, lots of soaring rhetoric and, when the votes are actually counted, little show for any of it. America has four more years of this lame-duck president telling them that it has let him down. If only he could tear up the Constitution and rule by diktat he might save himself a little disappointment. Alas, American democracy is a stickler for rules”

Clearly true.
Nice to be able to gloat for a change

56 posted on 04/18/2013 6:12:06 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: bert

Boston small explosions and it’s massive news by the left wing news, and yet massive explosion in TX and MSLSD can’t even cover the fact.

it goes to show how the elitist left wing radicals view the south and heartland America and Americans.
Funny how they like to come down here and buy their vacation houses and vote down here while they still live up in their big elitist yuppie liberal city.


57 posted on 04/18/2013 6:13:28 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: apillar

It ain't over 'til Bronco 'Bama says it's over !!!


58 posted on 04/18/2013 6:14:30 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: listenhillary

Its not the law...but its hard to find an internet gun ad, without the footnote that the seller will require an FFL licensed dealer to finish the transaction - he will do a background check. If I sell to a stranger, I could be liable for what he might do (especially if he is a felon and I don’t know it), but an FFL dealer is immune. So, I’d certainly pay a dealer 30 bucks to do the transaction...but its not the law.

Now Barry stated that only 60% of sales are currently done with a background check. I call BS - he is probably citing some stat than includes illegal and underground sales.


59 posted on 04/18/2013 6:18:30 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: listenhillary

Not if the seller is not a dealer....as it should be!!!


60 posted on 04/18/2013 6:20:08 AM PDT by ontap
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To: apillar
It would have expanded background checks to people purchasing weapons at gun shows and online sales, enjoyed 90 per cent support among the public and came on the back of the tragedy at Newtown

One of those 3 is a lie.

A Member of Congress or a Senator would no more turn down something with 90% support than a crack whore would turn down $10.

61 posted on 04/18/2013 6:20:18 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Venturer

I fear the dem holdouts merely learned a lesson from the Obamacare vote. They just want some pork...and then they’ll change their vote.

Its not over yet.


62 posted on 04/18/2013 6:20:18 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: apillar

Ninety percent my ass.

But, even taking that at face value... on the heels of 9/11, more than 90% approved of the job performance of G.W. Bush. Did we not have a bit of a “cooling-off” period afterward? I’d say so.


63 posted on 04/18/2013 6:22:51 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: lacrew

Not by a long shot.

The gun grabbers are rabid, they will be bringing back gun confiscation over and over each time a new incident is reported. They have the cooperation of crazies who go on killing sprees, there will always be another one to bring the rabid gun grabbers back onto the floor.


64 posted on 04/18/2013 6:25:16 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: MrB

I guess the distinction I’m making is that the only thing that trumps their ideology is their desire to stay in power...

The statements don’t conflict.


65 posted on 04/18/2013 6:25:38 AM PDT by FatherFig1o155 (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.)
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To: apillar

“Gloating in victory, adolescent in defeat....” That is Mr. Mom Jeans.


66 posted on 04/18/2013 6:26:14 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: MrB
The reason he’s not as popular with the ‘rat/commie politicians is that he’s going too fast, turning up the heat on the frog too fast,...

That's because Obama and his inner circle are more Bolshevik than Fabian. They intend to push for as much as they can get as fast as they can get it because they have observed that the GOP never unwinds leftist successes. The ratchet only runs one way.

... waking the sleeping giant of patriotic opposition.

That giant better hit the shower and belt down some java real soon or he's gonna be late for work.

67 posted on 04/18/2013 6:28:53 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: grobdriver

That’s actually a very large sample size. Compare it to Presidential polls where they used 700 or so. I have no issue with the sample size as it makes it statistically relevant. Now, is it a “representative” sample is the key question.


68 posted on 04/18/2013 6:29:19 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: lacrew

My problem is Toomey and Manchin.....Joe Manchin I get, typical Mark Stupak liberal in conservative clothing....Toomey is a real disappointment....he should have known better...I will never feel the same about him again!!! I feel as though he was willing to throw us under the bus to get good press coverage, he needs to get a good scare come reelection time just to snap his ass back into line!!!


69 posted on 04/18/2013 6:29:39 AM PDT by ontap
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To: apillar
"Barack Obama is a lame duck president."

A wounded and even dying wild animal is still very dangerous.

But enjoy! He blew huge amounts of political capital on a failure. What Democrat in the Senate is going to follow him into the woods on his next hunt? They were bloodied over an attempt to overthrow a major component of the Bill Of Rights. Good. But that means far less followership on future adventures in mis-government.

70 posted on 04/18/2013 6:30:55 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Leftists favorite Mass Murderer: Kermit Gosnell)
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71 posted on 04/18/2013 6:31:36 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: ScottinVA
90% approved of the job performance of G.W. Bush

Don't forget his daddy had a 90% rating after the Gulf war!!!

72 posted on 04/18/2013 6:32:16 AM PDT by ontap
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To: apillar
"If only he could tear up the Constitution and rule by diktat he might save himself a little disappointment. Alas, American democracy is a stickler for rules."

If we weren't armed to the teeth, 0bama would surely give rule by diktat a try.

Indeed, he does daily already. See ICE enforcement.

73 posted on 04/18/2013 6:33:09 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Leftists favorite Mass Murderer: Kermit Gosnell)
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To: Uncle Miltie

So true...and I am loving seeing this bastard going down in flames......much more to come. anyone notice how quiet Hildabeast has been through this!!!


74 posted on 04/18/2013 6:34:19 AM PDT by ontap
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To: apillar

Yes, he’s VERY popular with his constituent base - so much so, in fact, that in the last election many of them voted for him two, three, or four times.


75 posted on 04/18/2013 6:47:21 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Uncle Miltie
"Barack Obama is a lame duck president."

A wounded and even dying wild animal is still very dangerous.

But enjoy! He blew huge amounts of political capital on a failure. What Democrat in the Senate is going to follow him into the woods on his next hunt? They were bloodied over an attempt to overthrow a major component of the Bill Of Rights. Good. But that means far less followership on future adventures in mis-government.

I'm hoping the beating he took on guns carries over to the "Illegal Amnesty" bill. But that is probably a bit too optimistic as the Republican's seeming almost giddy about throwing themselves over the cliff to permanent minority status by handing the democrat's 40 million new voters (after the 11 million current illegals bring in mama and papa and Cousin Pedro etc.)

76 posted on 04/18/2013 6:48:29 AM PDT by apillar
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To: apillar

And the way its starting to look Obamacare may go away as well...I think as it rolls out the view will be more and more that its unworkable and ridiculous. Barry will continue his legacy of incompetent and unaccomplished. In the end I think he’ll pass as a bitter, shrill man who no one wants to be associated with.


77 posted on 04/18/2013 6:48:48 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: bryan999

78% of all statistics are made up on the spot.


78 posted on 04/18/2013 6:49:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: apillar

I can hardly wait to see it as an add-on to a bill that will provide compensation to the victims of the Boston Marathon. You know they’ll do something slimey like that.


79 posted on 04/18/2013 6:54:45 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: apillar

Obama lies and says it’s 90%. The liberal media repeat the lie like it is gospel. The idiot sheeple repeat the lie because if they heard it on the news it must be true. Then they blame the NRA.


80 posted on 04/18/2013 6:58:43 AM PDT by informavoracious (The ancient Greeks and Romans thought they were on the "right side of history.")
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To: apillar

It’s not 90%. People like the idea of background checks, which we have already. They don’t like private sales restricted and once they know these bills are turkeys, vote accordingly.


81 posted on 04/18/2013 7:00:43 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: All

The “90%” number came from a poll of 10 questions...Each question with a different level of existing and suggested gun laws. If only one of the questions was answered “yes”,
it was counted as in favor of the whole...

That’s the idiocy of most polls.......


82 posted on 04/18/2013 7:01:07 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: Venturer

I think you misunderstood my comment. They don’t need to wait for another shooting...they’re just waiting for Barry to float their states some cash.

The 4 dems who voted no could flip at any time....and there could be a plan in place already, to do just that.


83 posted on 04/18/2013 7:12:12 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: manc

I found this:

http://modernrifleman.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/do-90-of-americans-actually-support-more-gun-control/


84 posted on 04/18/2013 7:26:02 AM PDT by tiki
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To: apillar

I like this article. He stipulates that all of Obama’s talking points are true (90% approval) and then uses those points to show what a failure Obama is.

Did anyone bother to listen to his speech last night? It was the very WORST Presidential speech I have ever heard. He came across as a petulant adolescent. The tone was badgering, hectoring, rude, insolent, and whining all at the same time. It was not Presidential, and it was an attack, on moral grounds, on people who merely voted against him on a contentious issue.

Were I a GOP Senator I would not be encouraged to compromise on future Obama proposals after he publicly called me out as a liar, coward, fool and corrupt bribe taker.

Stick a fork in him, he’s done! That’s the main point of this column, and I think the author got it exactly right.


85 posted on 04/18/2013 7:31:33 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: apillar; Lakeshark; P-Marlowe

Does anyone have any idea where Obama is getting his statistic that 90% of the public approves of gun control?

It’s obviously, on its face, a flat out lie, but it would be nice to see what he’s quoting. Anyone know?


86 posted on 04/18/2013 7:37:40 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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The “94 percent” is a bald-faced lie. The UK media are apparently as biased and clueless as our own. What a joke these people are!
87 posted on 04/18/2013 7:41:36 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Godwin1
Obama threw out the 90% figure, where’s he getting that from? Well, Quinnipiac has been polling ( Quinnipiac press release))and they asked questions like:

   
17. (PA, Jan 30 2013) Do you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?
                     Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Wht    Blk
 
Support              95%    94%    96%    94%    94%    96%    96%    90%
Oppose                5      5      3      5      6      3      4     10
DK/NA                 1      1      1      -      -      1      1      -
Well we do have background checks and I’m sure almost all Americans want them to continue so sure, that makes sense. It’s a nonsensical question though, like asking “should we have electricity”. Yup, everyone likes electricity, except a handful of hillbilly nutcases. The question doesn’t talk about EXPANDING the scope of existing background investigations, but it’s being used as if it does. Bottom line, we do not have 90% support for gun control. For example, the same poll had this gem:

       
20. (PA, Jan 30 2013) Which of these do you think would do more to reduce gun violence in schools, having stricter gun laws or armed guards in schools? 
                     Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Wht    Blk
 
Stricter gun laws    42%    19%    66%    36%    36%    48%    40%    58%
Armed guards         46     69     27     52     53     40     49     28
DK/NA                12     12      7     13     11     12     11     14
So it’s evenly split between people who say stricter gun laws are the answer versus those who say have an armed guard in the school. In fact slightly more people say armed guards is a better answer. But nobody is reporting that because 66% of democrats don’t like that idea so it’s off the table, no discussion necessary.

Furthermore, Gallup has a poll too. Unlike the Quinnipiac ones, it wasn’t taken like the day after Newtown, it was taken last week. In that poll, which asks “What do you think is the most important issue facing this country today?” Guns/Gun control had just 4% saying they thought that was the big issue. On the other hand, 69% said their top concern was one of these: Economy (24%), unemployment (18%), Federal Debt (11%), or general dissatisfaction with government (16%). So Americans care most about economic issues right now. Gun control is waaaay down on their list. Immigration is also only at 4%. And absolutely nobody at all thinks gay marriage is the number one concern, that’s 0%. So what’s Obama working hardest on? Why, gun control, immigration, and gay marriage of course. Because he just doesn’t care what Americans really want action on.


88 posted on 04/18/2013 8:00:32 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: apillar

And 90% of people love arugula too!


89 posted on 04/18/2013 8:07:06 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: manc

Also what they do is ask questions that get the answer they want with little bearing on whether people even give a damn or how the questions relate to the real legislation. When most people don’t think gun control is a problem it doesn’t matter if they agree with the concept of more background checks because when it comes down to it they just don’t care. It is heartening that the anti-gun crowd went all out and just totally failed. Bloomberg spent 12 million dollars on ads and basically pissed the money into the wind for any effect that it had and just thinking about it is delightful.


90 posted on 04/18/2013 8:13:58 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: manc

Also what they do is ask questions that get the answer they want with little bearing on whether people even give a damn or how the questions relate to the real legislation. When most people don’t think gun control is a problem it doesn’t matter if they agree with the concept of more background checks because when it comes down to it they just don’t care. It is heartening that the anti-gun crowd went all out and just totally failed. Bloomberg spent 12 million dollars on ads and basically pissed the money into the wind for any effect that it had and just thinking about it is delightful.


91 posted on 04/18/2013 8:14:03 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: Mr. K; All

The 90% figure was always fluff and push polls. Of the people who have any substantive knowledge of the issues (about 25% of the population) they were opposed to this legislation five to one. President Obama and the Democrats could easily have had universal background checks if they were willing to forego a path to universal registration and slow confiscation, such as has happened in the UK over the last hundred years.

They insisted on the proto-registration route and were defeated.

Everyone told President Obama that if he wanted this done, he would have to do it quickly, before emotions cooled and people had time to think about the issues. Once rationality started to return, the initiative to weaken the Second Amendment was lost.

President Obama has only himself to blame. If he had given up a few rounds of golf and a vacation or two, he might have pulled off another anti-constitutional coup.

Fortunately, President Obama does not have the will and work ethic of a Lenin, Mao, or Hitler.


92 posted on 04/18/2013 8:26:59 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Mr. K

90% support from who?”””

Exactly!!!

Where I live, the support is more like 5%, with 95% AGAINST Obama.


93 posted on 04/18/2013 8:27:23 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: keats5

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes—centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1877

It was this poll. They managed to come up with a population, 53% of which supports stricter gun control.

59-36 in support of Assault Weapon ban.

“24. Do you support or oppose - requiring background checks for all gun buyers?” 91-8.

But this preys on the ignorant. Most would say that we already have such background checks, and answer yes assuming that they are supporting the status quo. And the Senate bill had far more than just expanding background checks.

My poll question would be: Some gun owners are worried about government registration leading to confiscation and tyranny. To protect gun owner privacy would you support a measure to prohibit the recording of a gun’s make, model, and serial number when purchased?


94 posted on 04/18/2013 9:09:32 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Mr. K

90% isn’t what it used to be. Must be the sequester.


95 posted on 04/18/2013 9:46:28 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Can someone please cite this 90% number?

I saw one poll whose question was "Do you support background checks for firearms purchases?" That was it - nothing in that question about increasing or changing anything. Since that's the status quo of course you're going to get a high number, but to suggest that it indicates that 90% of American voters were behind this train-wreck of a bill is simply an outright lie.

96 posted on 04/18/2013 9:51:30 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: DPMD

Why did the chicken cross the road?

Sequester.


97 posted on 04/18/2013 9:52:25 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Maelstorm

exactly., the way it is questioned to the low info voters sounds great and or those polled couldn’t e bothered either way.

Ask the question of should those who come here illegally be given welfare or should those who have a constitutional right have their names taken and be stripped in some cases or their rights, or even should marriage be between one man and one woman or should it be redefined to what anyone wants?

Ask in those terms and the left does not get the results it wants.


98 posted on 04/18/2013 9:54:10 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: yldstrk

Talking politics with a liberal, especially a family member, is as productive as gathering moonbeams with a butterfly net and a lot less fun.


99 posted on 04/18/2013 10:15:52 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: yldstrk

Talking politics with a liberal, especially a family member, is as productive as gathering moonbeams with a butterfly net and a lot less fun.


100 posted on 04/18/2013 10:15:57 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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