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Expanded gun background check [Toomey] amendment fails in the Senate
Yahoo ^ | 04/17/13

Posted on 04/17/2013 1:32:17 PM PDT by AtlasStalled

Yahoo headline breaking news: Expanded gun background check amendment fails in the Senate

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 113th; banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
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To: AtlasStalled

Good news! Now we need to fight against amnesty.


51 posted on 04/17/2013 1:46:57 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: Red Steel
54 for and 46 against -not enough. Obama fails. :-)

AMEN!!!

Still too close for comfort! 54 U.S. RAT bastard senators trying to illegal change the Bill of Rights & the U.S. Constitution by legislative fiat rather than the method prescribed by the Constitution. Every single senator who voted for this atrocity should be thrown out of office and straight into Federal penitentiary.....including 0dumb0 & Bite-Me.

52 posted on 04/17/2013 1:47:00 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: AtlasStalled

Ah, we actually do win some. ;-)


53 posted on 04/17/2013 1:47:57 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: JPG

hopefully it will be game set match!
After Boston the immagration deal has to be null and void!
Americans will stand for this no more!
The Move to halt all future imigration should have already been moved on.


54 posted on 04/17/2013 1:48:30 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: AtlasStalled

Great news. This means that the rest of the gun-grabbers’ amendments will fare no better.


55 posted on 04/17/2013 1:50:07 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Perdogg

Which I assume means Reid cant get the votes for the bill already on the floor being debated, hopefully


56 posted on 04/17/2013 1:50:19 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: AtlasStalled

No cheers yet. There are other amendments.


57 posted on 04/17/2013 1:50:48 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: AtlasStalled

Obozo has called press conference this afternoon on this. Watch him try to exert executive order. Just watch.


58 posted on 04/17/2013 1:51:07 PM PDT by NoobRep
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To: Cboldt

Nope. Joe was not grinning at all, in fact, he showed no teeth, whatsoever. He was there to celebrate a big win but instead was served a heaping plate of crow.


59 posted on 04/17/2013 1:51:25 PM PDT by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: AtlasStalled; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
60 posted on 04/17/2013 1:52:54 PM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Red Steel; AtlasStalled

Thank goodness. Thank those Senators who voted against this gun grabbing bill.

THANK YOU ALL who called, emailed, wrote, and in general helped defeated this.


61 posted on 04/17/2013 1:53:35 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: AtlasStalled
A quick online check, four GOPers were among the anti 2 Amendment likely votes...Toomey, Mark, Collins, and Mrs. McCain. (Might be in error, double-checking requested.)

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62 posted on 04/17/2013 1:54:37 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: AtlasStalled

What great news to arrive home to after a day of hard work! Now it is time for me to write my daily hate email to Arlen Toomey.


63 posted on 04/17/2013 1:55:43 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Obama will blame the vote on the bomber distraction

Those damn bitter clingers! Too stupid to see that socialism is the one true way, they still have enough animal cunning to manipulate the system and foil their own best interests!

64 posted on 04/17/2013 1:57:10 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: AtlasStalled

I think there are 8 more amendments to be voted on.


65 posted on 04/17/2013 1:57:34 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: Perdogg
He switched his vote once he saw it was going to fail?

IIRC by the majority leader switiching his vote, he reserves the right to bring it up again.

66 posted on 04/17/2013 1:58:39 PM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: Still Thinking

LOL!


67 posted on 04/17/2013 1:59:06 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Red Steel

But Reid can still bring it up again... right??


68 posted on 04/17/2013 2:00:54 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
No worries, the man-child in the WH will do it through executive order.

He can't. EO's do not have the force of law. To do that it would have to be an actual law.....

69 posted on 04/17/2013 2:02:11 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: AtlasStalled
Free Americans 1

Socialist dictator 0

70 posted on 04/17/2013 2:02:19 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: AtlasStalled

71 posted on 04/17/2013 2:03:45 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Reid is everything bad about America, and is doing his best to ruin Nevada on his way to the garbage heap. He is a fool.


72 posted on 04/17/2013 2:03:57 PM PDT by Monkey Face ( The good outnumber the evil ones, and we always will.)
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To: Conservative_Rob
Toomey’s was only one of 14 amendments to S.649. I would like to see a tally of all of the amendments. The first four included Feinstein’s ban on semi-automatic pistols and rifles, and Lautenberg’s ban on magazines over 10 rounds. Also, are they still going to be able to pass the base S.649 without the amendments???? I want to see 100% failure to pass anything restricting the 2nd Amendment.

Right. So what's in the base bill?

73 posted on 04/17/2013 2:04:31 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

That would be true if we didn’t seem to live in a post constitutional mob-ocracy


74 posted on 04/17/2013 2:04:33 PM PDT by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: TexasRedeye

So then we get to stay on the damn edge of this cliff waiting for yet another vote? Just damn.


75 posted on 04/17/2013 2:04:36 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: Gator113
But Reid can still bring it up again... right??

Technically yes.

76 posted on 04/17/2013 2:04:37 PM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: AtlasStalled

A lot of politicos including RINO’s who compromise all the time ran for cover today with a vote to make themselves look good.


77 posted on 04/17/2013 2:04:46 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE MY DREAMS)
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To: AtlasStalled

A lot of politicos including RINO’s who compromise all the time ran for cover today with a vote to make themselves look good.


78 posted on 04/17/2013 2:04:47 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE MY DREAMS)
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To: AtlasStalled

YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

NOW, we need to make the anti-Constitutional clowns PAY....DEFEAT THEM AT THE BALLOT BOX!


79 posted on 04/17/2013 2:05:23 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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"The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to Congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both."
[William Rawle, A View of the Constitution 125-6 (2nd ed. 1829)

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80 posted on 04/17/2013 2:05:26 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: AtlasStalled

Commandante Zero will be intruding on us soon to express his faux disgust, and to bitch and moan, and look like a real tough guy. He may even do the patented Bill Clinton lower lip bite.....


81 posted on 04/17/2013 2:06:58 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Colorado Doug

Yay!!! Now, if we can just regain our rights in Colorado . . .


In case you hadn’t heard, Colorado Doug:

Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America is in Durango today and will speak this evening in support of the recall of Mike McLachlan.


82 posted on 04/17/2013 2:07:12 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Gator113

Yes, since he voted against it as I understand Senate rules..even for amendments.


83 posted on 04/17/2013 2:08:39 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Cruz Ammendment failed...but never fear...HE will keep plugging away at it. The man is tenacious!


84 posted on 04/17/2013 2:09:21 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: laplata

LoL at DUmmie Colorado legislators. They are now more out on the proverbial limb. ; ^)


85 posted on 04/17/2013 2:10:14 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Still Thinking; All

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113s649pcs/pdf/BILLS-113s649pcs.pdf

This may have the amendments. This is the base bill.


86 posted on 04/17/2013 2:11:19 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Red Steel

The Leaky Leahy Amendment(I believe it was his) goes down in defeat too.


87 posted on 04/17/2013 2:12:21 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Still Thinking

This will let you track the amendments:

SA 716. Mr. ROCKEFELLER (for himself, Mr. COBURN, Mr. JOHANNS, Mr. BLUMENTHAL, Mr. HELLER, and Ms. KLOBUCHAR) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S . 649 , to ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the national instant criminal background check system and require a background check for every firearm sale, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table.

SA 717. Mr. BARRASSO submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S . 649 , supra; which was ordered to lie on the table.

SA 718. Mr. COBURN (for himself, Mr. RUBIO, Mr. JOHNSON of Wisconsin, and Mr. ENZI) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S . 649 , supra; which was ordered to lie on the table.

SA 719. Mr. CORNYN (for himself, Mr. VITTER, and Ms. COLLINS) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S . 649 , supra; which was ordered to lie on the table.

SA 720. Mr. BURR (for himself, Mr. WICKER, Mr. INHOFE, Mr. CRAPO, Mr. RISCH, Mr. COCHRAN, Mr. MORAN, Mr. THUNE, Mr. ROBERTS, Mr. ENZI, and Mr. BOOZMAN) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S . 649 , supra; which was ordered to lie on the table.

SA 721. Mr. CORNYN submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S . 649 , supra; which was ordered to lie on the table.

SA 722. Mr. RUBIO submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S . 649 , supra; which was ordered to lie on the table.

SA 723. Mr. RUBIO submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S . 649 , supra; which was ordered to lie on the table.

SA 724. Mr. REID (for Mr. LAUTENBERG (for himself, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mr. COWAN, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. REED, Ms. WARREN, and Mr. BLUMENTHAL)) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by Mr. REID, of NV to the bill S . 649 , supra; which was ordered to lie on the table.


88 posted on 04/17/2013 2:12:31 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: corlorde

Thank you. Then I will hold off celebrating for a bit..


89 posted on 04/17/2013 2:12:32 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: Still Thinking

Second installment

SA 711. Mrs. FEINSTEIN (for herself, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, Ms. KLOBUCHAR, Mr. FRANKEN, Mr. BLUMENTHAL, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. HARKIN, Mr. ROCKEFELLER, Ms. MIKULSKI, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. REED, Mr. CARPER, Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mr. CARDIN, Mrs. GILLIBRAND, Mr. SCHATZ, Mr. MURPHY, Ms. HIRONO, Ms. WARREN, and Mr. COWAN) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by her to the bill S . 649 , to ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the national instant criminal background check system and require a background check for every firearm sale, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table.

SA 712. Mrs. FEINSTEIN (for herself, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, Mr. MENENDEZ, and Mr. BLUMENTHAL) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by her to the bill S . 649 , supra; which was ordered to lie on the table.

SA 713. Mr. LEAHY (for himself, Ms. COLLINS, and Mr. KING) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S . 649 , supra; which was ordered to lie on the table.

SA 714. Mr. BLUMENTHAL (for Mr. LAUTENBERG (for himself, Mrs. FEINSTEIN, Mr. BLUMENTHAL, Mr. MURPHY, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, Mr. COWAN, Ms. HIRONO, Mr. KAINE, Mr. ROCKEFELLER, Mr. MERKLEY, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. CARPER, Ms. WARREN, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. DURBIN, Ms. KLOBUCHAR, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mrs. GILLIBRAND, Mr. FRANKEN, Mr. CARDIN, Mr. SCHUMER, and Mr. HARKIN)) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by Mr. BLUMENTHAL to the bill S . 649 , supra; which was ordered to lie on the table.

SA 715. Mr. MANCHIN (for himself, Mr. TOOMEY, Mr. KIRK, and Mr. SCHUMER) proposed an amendment to the bill S . 649 , supra.


90 posted on 04/17/2013 2:13:31 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Hardraade
Cool. What will be Zero’s workaround?

He's announced a 5:30 presser in the Rose Garden, presumably to bitch and moan about the evil GOP Senators (forgetting the Dems that voted "no"). Outside chance he'll tip his hand on what he'll do to work around that silly Constitution and laws and stuff.

91 posted on 04/17/2013 2:13:33 PM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Still Thinking
S.649

Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of 2013 - Amends the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 (NICS Act), the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Brady Act), the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968, and the federal criminal code to require background checks for all firearm sales, prohibit straw purchases of firearms, and expand the school safety grant program.

Says, in part . . . .

Fix Gun Checks Act of 2013 - Amends the NICS Act to eliminate from the records concerning persons who are prohibited from possessing or receiving a firearm, about which a state must submit estimates to the Attorney General for purposes of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System: (1) a record that identifies a person for whom an indictment has been returned for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year or who is a fugitive from justice and for which a record of final disposition is not available; and (2) a record that identifies a person who is an unlawful user of, or addicted to, a controlled substance. Directs the Attorney General to establish the applicable time period for the occurrence of events which would disqualify a person from possessing a firearm (currently, within the prior 20 years) in pertinent records.

Amends the Brady Act to prohibit any person who does not hold a federal firearms license from transferring a firearm to any other unlicensed person unless a licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer: (1) has first taken possession of the firearm for the purpose of complying with national instant criminal background check requirements; and (2) upon taking possession, complies with all firearms requirements as if transferring the firearm from the licensee's inventory to the unlicensed transferee. Specifies exceptions, including for: (1) bona fide gifts between immediate family members; (2) a transfer from a decedent's estate; (3) a transfer of possession between unlicensed persons in the transferor's home for less than seven days; and (4) certain temporary transfers without the transfer of title in connection with lawful hunting or sporting purposes at a shooting range, at a shooting competition, or while hunting, fishing, or trapping during hunting season.

Makes it unlawful for any person who lawfully possesses or owns a firearm that has been shipped, transported, or possessed in interstate or foreign commerce to fail to report the theft or loss of the firearm to the Attorney General and the appropriate local authorities within 24 hours of discovery.

92 posted on 04/17/2013 2:14:22 PM PDT by Conservative_Rob
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To: Still Thinking

Someone help me out here.I understand that if the original bill is amended in any way, another cloture vote is required before the final passage vote. If the original bill is not amended, does the original cloture vote stand and only 51 votes are needed to pass the original Reid bill?


93 posted on 04/17/2013 2:16:21 PM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: EmilyGeiger

94 posted on 04/17/2013 2:16:56 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AtlasStalled

OUT...FRIGGIN...STANDING!


95 posted on 04/17/2013 2:17:18 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: AtlasStalled

Naive to think that any bill passed on congress will be executed fully to the letter of the law by any Democrat.

To them, it is only a suggestion.

For that reason, I will never support any of these restraints on our 2nd amendment and I want them to roll these back.

We don’t trust government for good reason, till they pass a law that says these people in government can go to prison for not following the law my trust is zero.


96 posted on 04/17/2013 2:18:01 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Conservative_Rob

OK, I made a quick scan and those were the things I noticed too. So why are we celebrating the defeat of an amendment containing universal background checks (national database) to a bill that already has a national database provision in the base bill? Just because it’s a preview of the likely vote total for the actual bill?


97 posted on 04/17/2013 2:18:46 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Red Steel

LoL at DUmmie Colorado legislators. They are now more out on the proverbial limb. ; ^)


We’re going to break the limb this particular traitor is sitting on and recall his azz....if the complacent gun owners get off their butts and sign the petition.


98 posted on 04/17/2013 2:19:04 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Confirmed! I was (happily) wrong!

Still, what happens now?


99 posted on 04/17/2013 2:19:13 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: LUV W

100 posted on 04/17/2013 2:19:17 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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