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Planned Parenthood clarified Thursday that it is not in favor of killing babies who survive a botched abortion. The clarification came after a representative of Florida Planned Parenthood suggested otherwise. The organization believes that taking a life should only be legal when the life is in the mother's womb.
In a statement before Florida lawmakers, Lillian Tamayo of Planned Parenthood said, "medical guidelines and ethics already compel physicians facing life-threatening circumstances to respond, and Planned Parenthood physicians provide high-quality medical care and adhere to the most rigorous professional standards, including providing emergency care. In the extremely unlikely event that the scenario presented by the panel of legislators should happen, of course Planned Parenthood would provide appropriate care to both the woman and the infant."
The confusion over whether Planned Parenthood believes infanticide should be legal began last week after Alisa LaPolt Snow of the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates was asked, "If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?"
Snow replied, "We believe that any decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician."
When asked if Planned Parenthood physicians would act to save a baby if the baby were still alive after an abortion procedure, Snow answered, "I do not have that information."
Planned Parenthood's clarification came after Republican National Committee Chair Reince Priebus criticized the organization's apparent support of infanticide.
"Not once in her testimony did the Planned Parenthood representative say the newborn baby has a right to life. Not once did she say anyone has a duty to care for the child. Whether the living, breathing child survives is up to the adults in the room because, as we now know, Planned Parenthood doesn't believe the baby has rights," Priebus wrote.
Planned Parenthood's description of the infanticide of abortion survivors as an "extremely unlikely event" comes the same week in which jurors heard testimony in the trial of abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell, who is charged with murdering seven babies who survived his attempted abortions.
On Thursday, jurors heard Steven Massof, an assistant to Gosnell who has already pled guilty in the case, testify that the babies had a heartbeat and "visible chest movement" when he or Gosnell would "sever the spine" and "snip the neck."
"We had to ensure fetal demise. We had to prevent life. We had to kill. Simple as that," Massof said.
Yeah.
The result will be that they do the same thing, busines as usual.
Pretend the baby wasn’t alive after their botched attempt at murder, eventually the baby will be dead.
And Planned parenthood will act surprised if someone checks and finds the same crap has been going on all along.
People who worship at the alter of abortion are vile creatures. This is a no win situation for them. Now they have admitted they are killing humans for their sick sacrifices.
Oh, ok, but “babies” in the womb are fair game — oh, nevermind. I thought that we were talking about babies ...
Oh, no - those in the womb, they’re something else ..not quite human yet, I guess. So, minutes stand between being human and not fully human, in their minds.
SMALL, EVIL minds.
I didn’t realize killing an out of the womb living baby was something they, the doctor or the mother could decide. I would think at this point it would legally become murder.
What do those signs mean in English?
“Aurora rejects (refuses) the abortion clinic, Planned Parenthood.”
Where is the logic in such a statement?
In such scenarios, or the "scenario presented," according to this PP representative, at what point do "physicians" face "life-threatening circumstances" with regard to the "infant"? Does she mean that at some point in the procedure this "infant" suddenly deserves life-saving "appropriate care," whereas, only seconds before, the "infant" was undeserving of that "appropriate care"?
The foundation principles underlying the American Declaration of Independence and its "Supreme Law of the Land"--the Constitution--rely on a fundamental premise:
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." - Thomas Jefferson, Author, Declaration of Independence, & President
Creator-endowed life, and the right to enjoyment of liberty, under our 1787 Constitution, were not grants by mothers, physicians, or government: such rights come from a "Creator," thus, "unalienable."
“If it can save just one life...”
sshhhh.. not those lives,the other ones,wait I’m all mixed up.
many places like this i will be happy to see burned up when Jesus Christ cleanses and renews the earth.
I am glad, but. . .
WHY NOT?
Every reason they give to kill them inside could be used to kill them outside. This is not a sensible position; although I am glad for it.
Read it all the way... Rick Santorum did a number on Babs Boxer
Editor’s Note. When the Senate considered the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act on October 20, 1999, perhaps the most revealing part of the debate was the exchange that is reproduced below, between the chief sponsor of the bill, Senator Rick Santorum (R- Pa.), and the leading opponent, Senator Barbara Boxer (D-Ca.). This discussion appears on pages S12878-80 of the October 20 Congressional Record. We have corrected minor errors in transcription and punctuation based on review of a videotape of the C-SPAN broadcast.
Senator Santorum: I think the issue of where we draw the line constitutionally is very important. And I’m sure the senator from California [Senator Boxer] agrees with me. I think the senator from California would say that she and I, and the senator from Illinois and the senators from Arkansas and Kansas here, we are all protected by the Constitution with a right to life. Would you agree with that, senator from California - - [would you] answer that question?
Senator Boxer: I support the Roe v. Wade decision.
Santorum: So you would agree any child that’s born has the right to life, is protected under the Constitution? Once that child is born?
Boxer: I agree with the Roe v. Wade decision. And what you are doing goes against it and will harm the women of this country. And I will speak to that issue when I get the floor myself.
Santorum: But I would like to ask you a question. You agree, once that child is born, is separated from the mother, that that child is protected by the Constitution and cannot be killed? Do you agree with that?
Boxer: I would make this statement: That this Constitution, as it currently is - - some of you want to amend it to say that life begins at conception. I think when you bring your baby home, when your baby is born - - and there is no such thing as partial-birth - - the baby belongs to your family and has all the rights. But I am not willing to amend the Constitution to say that a fetus is a person, which I know you would.
But we will get into that later. I would prefer to address - - I know my colleague is engaging me in a colloquy on his time, and I appreciate it - - I will answer these questions.
I think what my friend is doing, by asking me these questions, is off point. My friend wants to tell the doctors in this country what to do. My friend from Pennsylvania says they are “ rogue” doctors. The AMA will tell you they no longer support you. The American nurses don’t support you. The obstetricians and gynecologists don’t support you. So my friend can ask me my philosophy all day. On my own time I will talk about it.
Santorum: If I can reclaim my time: First of all, the AMA still believes this is bad medicine. They do not support the criminal penalties provisions in this bill, but they still believe - - I think you know that to be the case - - that this procedure is not medically necessary, and they stand by that statement.
I ask the senator from California, again: you believe, you said “ once the baby comes home.” Obviously, you don’t mean they have to take the baby out of the hospital for it to be protected by the Constitution. Once the baby is separated from the mother, you would agree - - completely separated from the mother - - you would agree that baby is entitled to constitutional protection?
Boxer: I will tell you why I don’t want to engage in this. You did the same conversation with a colleague of mine, and I never saw such a twisting of his remarks. [Editor’s note: See Nov. 14, 1996 NRL News, page 24, for transcript of an exchange between Santorum and Senator Russ Feingold (D-Wi.).]
Santorum: Well, be clear, then. Let’s be clear.
Boxer: I am going to be very clear when I get the floor. What you are trying to do is take away the rights of women and their families and their doctors to have a procedure. And now you are trying to turn the question into, “When does life begin?” I will talk about that on my own time.
Santorum: What I am trying to do is get an answer from the senator from California as to where you would draw the line? Because that really is the important part of this debate.
Boxer: I will repeat. I will repeat, since the senator has asked me a question I am answering the question I have been posed by the senator. And the answer to the question is, I stand by Roe v. Wade. I stand by it. I hope we have a chance to vote on it. It is very clear, Roe v. Wade. That is what I stand by. My friend doesn’t.
Santorum: Are you suggesting Roe v. Wade covered the issue of a baby in the process of being born?
Boxer: I am saying what Roe v. Wade says is, that in the early stages of a pregnancy, a woman has the right to choose. In the later stages, the states have the right, yes, to come in and restrict. I support those restrictions, as long as two things happen: They respect the life of the mother and the health of the mother.
Santorum: I understand that.
Boxer: That is where I stand. And no matter how you try to twist it, that is where I stand.
Santorum: I would say to the senator from California, I am not twisting anything. I am simply asking a very straightforward question. There is no hidden question here. The question is - -
Boxer: I will answer it again.
Santorum: Once the baby is born, is completely separated from the mother, you will support that that baby has, in fact, the right to life and cannot be killed? You accept that; right?
Boxer: I don’t believe in killing any human being. That is absolutely correct. Nor do you, I am sure.
Santorum: So you would accept the fact that once the baby is separated from the mother, that baby cannot be killed?
Boxer: I support the right - - and I will repeat this, again, because I saw you ask the same question to another senator
Santorum: All the person has to do is give me a straight answer, and then it will be very clear to everybody.
Boxer: And what defines “separation”? Define “separation.” You answer that question. You define it.
Santorum: Well, let’s define that. Okay, let’s say the baby is completely separated. In other words, no part of the baby is inside of the mother.
Boxer: You mean the baby has been birthed and is now in its mother’s arms? That baby is a human being.
Santorum: Well, I don’t know if it’s necessarily in its mother’s arms. Let’s say in the obstetrician’s hands.
Boxer: It takes a second, it takes a minute I had two babies, and within seconds of their birth - -
Santorum: We’ve had six.
Boxer: Well, you didn’t have any.
Santorum: My wife and I had babies together. That’s the way we do things in our family.
Boxer: Your wife gave birth. I gave birth. I can tell you, I know when the baby was born.
Santorum: Good! All I am asking you is, once the baby leaves the mother’s birth canal and is through the vaginal orifice and is in the hands of the obstetrician, you would agree that you cannot abort, kill the baby?
Boxer: I would say when the baby is born, the baby is born, and would then have every right of every other human being living in this country. And I don’t know why this would even be a question, to be honest with you.
Santorum: Because we are talking about a situation here where the baby is almost born. So I ask the question of the senator from California, if the baby was born except for the baby’s foot, if the baby’s foot was inside the mother but the rest of the baby was outside, could that baby be killed?
Boxer: The baby is born when the baby is born. That is the answer to the question.
Santorum: I am asking for you to define for me what that is.
Boxer: I don’t think anybody but the senator from Pennsylvania has a question with it. I have never been troubled by this question. You give birth to a baby. The baby is there, and it is born. That is my answer to the question.
Santorum: What we are talking about here with partial birth, as the senator from California knows, is a baby is in the process of being born - -
Boxer: “The process of being born.” This is why this conversation makes no sense, because to me it is obvious when a baby is born. To you it isn’t obvious.
Santorum: Maybe you can make it obvious to me. So what you are suggesting is if the baby’s foot is still inside of the mother, that baby can then still be killed.
Boxer: No, I am not suggesting that in any way!
Santorum: I am asking.
Boxer: I am absolutely not suggesting that. You asked me a question, in essence, when the baby is born.
Santorum: I am asking you again. Can you answer that?
Boxer: I will answer the question when the baby is born. The baby is born when the baby is outside the mother’s body. The baby is born.
Santorum: I am not going to put words in your mouth - -
Boxer: I hope not.
Santorum: But, again, what you are suggesting is if the baby’s toe is inside the mother, you can, in fact, kill that baby.
Boxer: Absolutely not.
Santorum: OK. So if the baby’s toe is in, you can’t kill the baby. How about if the baby’s foot is in?
Boxer: You are the one who is making these statements.
Santorum: We are trying to draw a line here.
Boxer: I am not answering these questions! I am not answering these questions.
Does PP have any idea of how assinine they sound, either way? Yes, we want to kill babies, but if we screw it up, we’ll help them. Why is is a baby now, but not 10 minutes earlier?
As Hillary would say, “what, at this point, is the difference?”
RE: “what, at this point, is the difference?”
The difference: THE LIFE OF AN INNOCENT CHILD.
they say one thing and do another, just like all socialists.
Exactly. But my point is -what is the difference between killing the baby 10 minutes after he/she is born, or killing him/her 10 minutes before by stabbing him in the head? The liberals are so insane, they can’t understand that both times it is plain WRONG.
How kind of them. But you know the fang-toothed feminazis are going to leap on them for this and make them go back on their word.
I wonder how long it is gonna take until they start arguing that babies are eligible to be aborted even after they are born, and you should be allowed to have an abortion even after the baby has a natural, regular birth. Have they or any other abortion advocates already started arguing this? I know partial birth abortion is like a half way point to this step; have any abortion advocates thus far called for going all the way and allowing a baby that has already been born naturally to be considered fair game for abortion?
“Planned Parenthood clarified Thursday that it is not in favor of killing babies who survive a botched abortion.”
A step in the right direction. Let’s see many, many, many, many, etc., more in the right direction from them.
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