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US Army's last tanks depart from Germany
Stars & Stripes ^ | April 4, 2013 | John Vandiver

Posted on 04/04/2013 11:58:49 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

STUTTGART, Germany — The U.S. Army’s 69-year history of basing main battle tanks on German soil quietly ended last month when 22 Abrams tanks, a main feature of armored combat units throughout the Cold War, embarked for the U.S.

The departure of the last M-1 Abrams tanks coincides with the inactivation of two of the Army’s Germany-based heavy brigades. Last year, the 170th Infantry out of Baumholder disbanded. And the 172nd Separate Infantry Brigade at Grafenwöhr is in the process of doing the same.

On March 18, the remaining tanks were loaded up at the 21st Theater Sustainment Command’s railhead in Kaiserslautern where they then made the journey to the shipping port in Bremerhaven, Germany. There they boarded a ship bound for South Carolina.

(Excerpt) Read more at stripes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government
KEYWORDS: coldwar; europeanunion; germany; tanks; usarmy
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To: Born to Conserve
The only thing they’re good for now is running over unarmed civilians

They are bringing the tanks home...

51 posted on 04/04/2013 1:15:15 PM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them.)
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To: GreyFriar

Brought back good and bad, memories. 4th Armored Div. 144th Signal, 1966-67 Cooke Barracks. The coldest I’ve ever been in my life, was Feb. 14th 1967, on a field exercise.


52 posted on 04/04/2013 1:15:24 PM PDT by Capt_Hank (btu's...kcal's...to kJ's, but my activation energy is still high.)
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To: sickoflibs

He’s probably living with Elvis and JFK in some Texas retirement home.


53 posted on 04/04/2013 1:17:09 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
That reminds me of when we were in a convoy at Ft. Hood... I was running a track behind a gasser M-88 one night. .... That is until he let off going down a small hill and that big 12 cylinder Continental backfired.

Been there done that. I saw that several times working on those M88s and you could cook hotdogs in that flame. I was driving a COL at N FT Hood and we saw the lead road guard laying on the blade or an M88A1. We turned around, only to find them already at the wash area.

54 posted on 04/04/2013 1:20:35 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. I am surprised that the tanks were sent to South Carolina instead of Egypt.


55 posted on 04/04/2013 1:21:02 PM PDT by zot
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To: GreyFriar

COLD!


56 posted on 04/04/2013 1:22:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ops33
Spent 4 years in Berlin, 84 - 88. Most interesting assignment of my career.

I just bought two of these as Radio Control aircraft


57 posted on 04/04/2013 1:24:23 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
LN?

Local National, I believe.
58 posted on 04/04/2013 1:25:10 PM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Timber Rattler

The US Army has now removed its last remaining tanks from German Soil by removing the last 22 tanks to South Carolina. And so it gradually goes...by wilting, desiccating, and erosion. The world is changing in ways difficult to notice, but no less significant for its invisibility.

The void which is formed is pregnant with calamity, and devoid of plans for the future.

I object.


59 posted on 04/04/2013 1:28:45 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: FreedomPoster

I had that poster in my office for several years; a classic.


60 posted on 04/04/2013 1:37:17 PM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: GreyFriar

Arrived in Munich in ‘66 as part of the 5/32nd of the 24th. Spent Jan-Feb 67 in Graf, Hohenfeld & Tennellohe (sp on all of them) I was in the M60 A1 at that time.


61 posted on 04/04/2013 1:46:54 PM PDT by Starstruck (Question. What would the U.S. look like today if there was no 2nd Amendment.)
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To: sickoflibs

On May 4th, the bodies of Hitler and Eva Braun were found in the Reich Chancellery garden. A SMERSH operative saw part of a grey blanket at the bottom of a shell crater. The crater was dug into and two bodies were found along with the bodies of a German Alsatian and a puppy.

Very early on May 5th, the bodies were taken to Buch in northeast Berlin, where SMERSH had its headquarters. Such was the secrecy surrounding this, that not even Zhukov was informed about the discovery. Dental records and thorough dental checks proved to Vadis that the body was that of Adolf Hitler.

On May 7th, Moscow was informed that Hitler’s body had been found. From that time on, it was kept under the greatest of secrecy.

In 1970, the Kremlin decided to dispose of the body. They claim that it was buried beneath an army parade ground in Magdeburg. SMERSH had kept the jaws of Hitler, used in their dental checks. This was confirmed by Yelena Rzhevskaya who was the interpreter used by SMERSH when Hitler’s dental staff were questioned at Buch. The NKVD had kept Hitler’s cranium. Both of these have been found in Moscow’s archives in recent years. In the mid-1990’s, the Russian authorities claim that they exhumed the body of Hitler from the parade ground in Magdeburg, burned it and then flushed the ashes into the town’s sewage system.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/death_of_adolf_hitler1.htm


62 posted on 04/04/2013 1:52:28 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Good reply. In the future tanks will have active defenses against personnel and incoming AT weapons, be able to knock down artillery rounds impacting in their area, and will probably carry drones of their own that will provide targeting info as well as fight alongside the tank. Not many nations will be able to afford these kinds of things, but the tank will soldier on for quite some time.
63 posted on 04/04/2013 2:00:48 PM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: real saxophonist

I’ve got my certificate hanging on my wall. It’s rather difficult hanging that on my lapel.


64 posted on 04/04/2013 2:03:54 PM PDT by Ax
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To: ansel12
Tanks won't rust in the desert...that why the Army just expanded Fort Bliss in El Paso.

And Korea is really South Korea's problem. Why are we still there?

65 posted on 04/04/2013 2:48:05 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Tanks and Infantry are still a big part of an offense.

Ask Saddam......


66 posted on 04/04/2013 2:49:32 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Things do rust in the desert, but there is no reason to put heavy tanks on the border, what has happened there that calls for heavy tanks, what purpose would parking the tanks on the border serve, why do you want them there rather than where they are needed for defense or training?


67 posted on 04/04/2013 2:58:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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I Trp, 3/2 ACR, '80-81 & 84-87
A Co. 1/10 SFG(A) '89-92 & '93-97.

The majority of my Army career was spent in Germany.

68 posted on 04/04/2013 3:22:22 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
I still remember graduating from Jump School in '88

Cherry jumper! ;)

69 posted on 04/04/2013 3:24:42 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: ansel12
I don't know, old buddy, but the Army appears to agree with me:

Fort Bliss

70 posted on 04/04/2013 3:30:03 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler
Great! Now get everything else out of the Balkans, the Middle East, Central Asia, and Korea and bring 'em home to the Mexican border!

No old buddy, the Army agrees with me.

71 posted on 04/04/2013 3:38:12 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: Timber Rattler
Wow, I shoveled a $hitload of concrete in Graf to build the new M-1 tank range in 1984 in the long gone 78th Engineer Battalion (Combat). Germany was nice, Grafenwoehr not so much.
72 posted on 04/04/2013 4:04:30 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: Capt_Hank

I was still a month short of being conceived when you were there. My Dad was in Germany ‘51-’52 as an MP. He loved it there.


73 posted on 04/04/2013 4:34:47 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: aegiscg47

Perhaps too much Hammer’s Slammers lately? ;)


74 posted on 04/04/2013 4:40:24 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: DemforBush

Thanks for remembering.


75 posted on 04/04/2013 5:00:24 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

No missile defense, no tanks, defense cuts — people get ready.

Thanks Timber Rattler.


76 posted on 04/04/2013 5:50:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Mmogamer

and the Korean bases - ROK is more than capable of defending herself these days


77 posted on 04/04/2013 9:13:16 PM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Pilatus P-6. Designed by the Swiss for landing on very short runways in the mountains. The US Army had two of them in Berlin flying out of Tempelhof. Interesting that the Army would fly an aircraft designed for short mountain takeoffs and landings in a flat city with wide open streets.


78 posted on 04/05/2013 5:59:22 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: csmusaret

I was talking about “decades” ago...


79 posted on 04/06/2013 10:10:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

And so was I. M48 tanks in Vietnam used the same rubber track blocks they did in FT Knox. I don’t know when the US stopped using steel track, but I guarantee you it was before they started using me in 1964. The large rubber tread on the track blocks provided better traction than flatter steel tread. It also weighed much less.


80 posted on 04/06/2013 11:48:52 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Local National


81 posted on 04/07/2013 8:05:00 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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To: Sarajevo

Always Ready!

I was in G Trp 2/2 ACR from ‘97-’00.


82 posted on 04/07/2013 8:27:55 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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To: csmusaret

IIIRC it started with the old M-3 Lee tanks having rubber tracks.


83 posted on 04/07/2013 9:01:54 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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