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Bill O’Reilly vs. Rush Limbaugh
Daily Beast ^ | April 1, 2013 | Peter Beinart

Posted on 04/01/2013 9:01:32 PM PDT by Pinkbell

There are various ways to describe the civil war rising inside the Republican Party: insiders versus outsiders, pragmatists versus true-believers, establishment versus Tea Party. Here’s another: Bill O’Reilly conservatives versus Rush Limbaugh conservatives.

Last week, the two media titans clashed after O’Reilly accused opponents of gay marriage of lacking “compelling argument[s]” and merely “thump[ing] the Bible.” Limbaugh responded by saying that conservative Christians “were sort of marginalized” on O’Reilly’s show. On the surface, the scuffle merely reflected differing opinions about the arguments deployed last week at the Supreme Court. But in reality, it reflected a different view of conservatism itself.

O’Reilly is a conservative populist, which is to say, he only champions those conservative viewpoints that he believes enjoy mass appeal. His evolution on gay marriage—as helpfully chronicled by New York magazine’s Dan Amira—illustrates the point. While O’Reilly’s own views have shifted, what has remained constant is his tendency to justify those views by reference to the popular will. In 2006 O’Reilly said he opposed gay marriage because “it is clear that most Americans want heterosexual marriage to maintain its special place … Traditional marriage is widely seen as a social stabilizer.” In 2009 he again phrased his opposition in terms of public opinion: “You don’t do it [pass gay marriage] particularly if people in California … don’t want it, they think that the heterosexuality is a societal stabilizer.” But by linking his own notions of social stability to those of the public at large, O’Reilly gave himself room to shift. By May of last year he was declaring that “individual states should decide the question.” And last week he said he supported civil unions, while on gay marriage, “I don’t feel that strongly about it one way or another. I think the states should do it.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billoreilly; missouri; oreilly; rush; rushlimbaugh; talkradio; tedbaxter
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The writer of this piece obviously prefers O'Reilly, probably because he's willing to capitulate to the liberal positions. The writer goes through and lists issues that O'Reilly has changed his position on by moving from the right to the center due to popular opinion. He lists issues such as the Iraq war, immigration, gun control, the Sandra Fluke birth control/abortion issue, and Sarah Palin.

He obviously prefers Bill O'Reilly, whereas I prefer Limbaugh as I don't want someone whose beliefs are based on the popular opinion at the time, but on their morals and firmly held beliefs. I don't want someone who will sway with the wind. They'll be on your side one day but not the next. The writer obviously likes this about O'Reilly because the left like people they can shift to their views based on a public poll. The writer concludes:

Like Reagan, O’Reilly has a gift for quietly making peace with progressive advances he formerly opposed while excoriating (and often caricaturing) those leftist innovations that can still be dismissed as fringe. If I were a GOP presidential aspirant, I’d watch O’Reilly closely over the next few years, because the Republican candidate who best articulates his brand of conservatism will be the candidate best able to regain the White House in 2016.

One can only hope not.

1 posted on 04/01/2013 9:01:32 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: All

Tip:

When you read the article, avoide the comments. They are a liberal playground.


2 posted on 04/01/2013 9:02:51 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: Pinkbell

O’Reily isn’t fit to clean Limbaugh’s catbox.


3 posted on 04/01/2013 9:03:09 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Pinkbell
Uh, there are no BOR conservatives.

BOR is a spinner, not at all looking out, for YOU!

4 posted on 04/01/2013 9:04:44 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Pinkbell

Who gives a rat’s tail to what O’Reilly Says!

Even Limbaugh has capitulated by saying that gay marriage is “inevitable.”

I say to hell with ‘em both.


5 posted on 04/01/2013 9:06:12 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Nobody stands for absolutely nothing stronger and outspokendly than Bill OReilly.


6 posted on 04/01/2013 9:07:07 PM PDT by MNDude (I survived the sequester!)
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To: Pinkbell

Stoopped listening to O years ago. If you always stand in the middle of the road, you’ll get run over.


7 posted on 04/01/2013 9:09:18 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Steelfish
Even Limbaugh has capitulated by saying that gay marriage is “inevitable.”

Never heard that before. Mind sourcing it?
8 posted on 04/01/2013 9:13:43 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Pinkbell
Gay "marriage" is anti-Semitic and hate.
9 posted on 04/01/2013 9:15:36 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Pinkbell
The Great Society destroyed the urban family. Today half of all marriages end in divorce and 40% of all children are born out of wedlock, 70% in urban areas. The results and unintended consequences are legion. Generations who can not read , write or ever heard of Pythagoras. Crime ridden cities where there have been more murders in Chicago alone than deaths on the battlefield in the last decade of war. This is LBJ's legacy along with 58,000 KIA and 300,000 + WIA in a war Johnson never had any intention of winning.

So now the state once again in it's infinite wisdom meddles where it should never be. In the family. There will be more unintended consequences and America will go the way of Rome and Cyprus. This is inevitable. Liberals can't help themselves and republicans won't help us.

10 posted on 04/01/2013 9:17:19 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“O’Reily isn’t fit to clean Limbaugh’s catbox.”
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I agree. When I finally got the new G-sat service here in the Philippines, I was excited because it had FOX News and no CNN.
After about a month, or so, I quit watching FOX at all.

I record Rush, Savage, and Kook to Kook by using Dar.fm, a really great service that will automatically record any radio program for you, and you can play them back at your leisure.
You can also fast forward through commercials and breaks.
Your computer does not have to be online for it to record your program.
Yes, I am pimping for the guy that started it, as it is so good, and I want him to stay in business.
Look it up...www.dar.fm


11 posted on 04/01/2013 9:17:46 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Pinkbell
In point of actual fact, an O'Reilly Republican might pull off getting the nomination away from a Limbaugh conservative but will NOT win the White House!

Witness John McCain and Mitt Romney, both I dare say are O'Reilly Republicans.

The Democrats will always give moderates someone to vote for, while conservatives will stay home rather than vote against their conscience, morality and common sense!

12 posted on 04/01/2013 9:20:22 PM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: Pinkbell
Bill O’Reilly conservatives

Bill O'Really is no conservative.

13 posted on 04/01/2013 9:26:54 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (The amount of ammo you need is determined after the gunfight.)
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To: Pinkbell
"Bill O’Reilly conservatives"

Only in the weakest of minds does that animal exist.

14 posted on 04/01/2013 9:28:58 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: South40

Rush referring to O’Reilly as “Ted Baxter” cracks me up every time.


15 posted on 04/01/2013 9:32:23 PM PDT by owlpellets
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To: Pinkbell

O’Reilly loves himself. . simple. .end of story. . .nothing more to O’Reilly than that.


16 posted on 04/01/2013 9:32:34 PM PDT by McBuff
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To: joseph20; Steelfish

He’s not in favor of it, he just knows that we lost. It’s called realism.


17 posted on 04/01/2013 9:33:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: jwalsh07
Well done. Few understand how spot on your comments are.
18 posted on 04/01/2013 9:34:21 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: McBuff

19 posted on 04/01/2013 9:34:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: joseph20

He in fact did say that, and sadly not liking the truth will not stop the Court from ruling just that. He recognizes the handwriting on the wall so to speak.

We are only willing to complain, when we take to the streets let me know.


20 posted on 04/01/2013 9:34:45 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: McBuff

Bill O thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. Rush IS the smartest guy in the room.


21 posted on 04/01/2013 9:35:21 PM PDT by owlpellets
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To: owlpellets

At least Ted Baxter was entertaining. O’Reilly is just a blowhard.


22 posted on 04/01/2013 9:36:21 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: Pinkbell

Ted Baxter?


23 posted on 04/01/2013 9:48:01 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: Pinkbell

Limbaugh’s statements last week were a far greater victory for gay marriage than O’Reilly’s. Whatever Limbaugh, believes personally, he declared victory last week for the gay marriage side. The fact that a person who is considered so popular declared unilaterally that gay marriage was a done deal, and fighting it was worthless is a huge thing.


24 posted on 04/01/2013 9:49:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Pinkbell

In the past, Bill O’Reilly has articulated he believed in certain conservative positions and why. He may have abandoned those positions, but he was on record at one time. Limbaugh makes fun of Democrats and lefties to the nth degree, but has he ever actually said he believed in any conservative positions? Maybe that he is anti-tax? I have never heard him say he is pro-life, or explain why someone should be pro-life. He may think Democrats are too extreme on social issues, but was there ever any evidence that he actually believed conservative positions on social issues?


25 posted on 04/01/2013 9:53:10 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

People are just tired of hearing the gays whine, it’s like they just want to get it over with so they’ll finally STFU.

Of course, they aren’t going to shut up even when they get gay marriage.


26 posted on 04/01/2013 9:53:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: nickcarraway

You don’t know Rush.


27 posted on 04/01/2013 9:54:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I don’t think people are sick of them whining. A majority of people now think that gays should be an object of sympathy and are being mistreated. Any whining worked.


28 posted on 04/01/2013 9:55:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: dfwgator

I can only judge by what he says publicly. I have no idea his private opinions are. He is unfairly accused by the left of being a yelling, hateful person. He is not that at all. He jokes, he makes fun of people, but at the end of the day, he does little talking about conservative positions. Explaining his views of what the president, or the left, or the media is doing to manipulate public opinion is not a conservative position.


29 posted on 04/01/2013 9:58:25 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: joseph20

He did say that on his show last week, however it needs to be put in context. He is not saying he wants gay marriage
he is saying that if left up to the Republicans in congress it will happen at least that is how I understood what Rush said and meant. I don’t see how anyone could argue that most of the Repubs in congress do tend to go along to get along.


30 posted on 04/01/2013 9:59:51 PM PDT by funfan
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To: dfwgator

Can you show me a citation of Limbaugh saying he was pro-life? In the 90s, didn’t he say he was not anti-abortion, but feminists were too extreme in their abortion beliefs?


31 posted on 04/01/2013 10:04:34 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Paladin2

“BOR is a spinner, not at all looking out, for YOU! “

BOR IS looking out for BOR’s wallet. That’s his bottom line. I swore off this “pompous turd” on last November 7th, adding in the rest of the Faux News “team” to boot. Now if they would give Greg Gutfeld a prime time spot w/o that other fatuous turd, Bob Beckel, I might watch.


32 posted on 04/01/2013 10:04:56 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: nickcarraway

He has said he is pro life. Do you listen to his show?I listen to Rush everyday and I respect him and I don’t question his conservatism.


33 posted on 04/01/2013 10:05:25 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Pinkbell

Only a liberal or some other kind of ignoramus would call 0’Reilly a conservative.


34 posted on 04/01/2013 10:05:37 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: nickcarraway

From his 35 Undeniable Truths of Life

#21. Abortion is wrong.
#22. Morality is not defined and cannot be defined by individual choice.


35 posted on 04/01/2013 10:07:20 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: funfan

When did he say that? I thought he said in the 90s he wasn’t anti-abortion? Of all the times I have heard Rush Limbaugh, I think he always avoids talking about abortion. In 20 years, I only remember him making fun of Planned Parenthood or something for being too extreme, maybe twice in 20 years. Doesn’t he try to avoid talking about abortion at all?


36 posted on 04/01/2013 10:08:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: dfwgator

Can you post a link?


37 posted on 04/01/2013 10:08:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur52.htm

Also one of his most infamous skits was the “Caller Abortions”:

For two weeks in 1989, on his Sacramento radio show, Limbaugh performed “caller abortions” where he would end a call suddenly to the sounds of a vacuum cleaner and a scream. He would then deny that he had “hung up” on the caller, which he had promised not to do. Limbaugh claims that he used this gag to illustrate “the tragedy of abortion” as well as to highlight the question of whether abortion constitutes murder.


38 posted on 04/01/2013 10:10:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Paladin2

BORe


39 posted on 04/01/2013 10:10:50 PM PDT by 867V309
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To: funfan
I don’t question his conservatism.

That statement is very telling to me. You are saying you don't question his conservatism. You don't claim he elaborates it explicitly. From his constant attacks on Democrats, I think people on the left and the right ASSUME his conservatism. They may be right. I am not trying to attack Limbaugh, I am just trying to parse what he actually says. He seems to avoid talking about social issues, and he seems to let people fill in the gray areas of his beliefs, but only talking in certain areas.

40 posted on 04/01/2013 10:11:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Pinkbell

Blowreilly also had the same “epiphany” with homosexual adoptions. He said he wasn’t for it, then rosie odonut came on his show and he practically gushed over her and declared homosexual adoption a wonderful institution.

vomit


41 posted on 04/01/2013 10:13:52 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: dfwgator
It's good if he put that on his list. I will have to see where this list came from.

Also one of his most infamous skits was the “Caller Abortions”:

Wow, to me it sounds like he is mocking the pro-life movement with that bit. Does that really sound pro-life to you? I don't think pro-lifers I know would like that skit. And it seems to be portraying pro-lifers as wack jobs. Maybe, if he has pro-life beliefs today, they came later. That really sounds anti-pro-life to me.

42 posted on 04/01/2013 10:15:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/12/03/flashback_1992_america_has_lost_its_soul

Pay attention especially to this part....I remember this from his old TV Show:

“But you can’t teach the Ten Commandments because that stems from somebody’s religion. Why do kids take guns into schools? Because they have no respect for the sanctity of life. I’ve told you that time and time again. You can’t have a million-and-a-half abortions every year in this country for all the years that we’ve had, folks, without life itself being cheapened.”


43 posted on 04/01/2013 10:18:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: nickcarraway

I get what you are saying.


44 posted on 04/01/2013 10:18:29 PM PDT by funfan
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To: nickcarraway

Rush saying that homosexual marriage is inevitable was a great victory for homosexual marriage??? How about republicans in office declaring that homosexual marriage is inevitable was a great victory for homosexual marriage.

It’s over. The progressives and homosexuals have won. Homosexual marriage is happening, whether you like it or not. Rush was just the reporting delivering the news.


45 posted on 04/01/2013 10:19:40 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: PA Engineer

Marriage “equality” relegates the vulva to the anus. It’s a misogynistic agenda.


46 posted on 04/01/2013 10:21:21 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: NonValueAdded
Ted Baxter?

Pompous, blow-hard of a newscaster on the Mary Tyler Moore show.

Perfect caricature of O'Reilly.
47 posted on 04/01/2013 10:44:11 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: joseph20

I heard Rush say myself that it looked like in time we will lose....that we cannot stop it

Even if we win this time they will keep coming back till enough judges vote their way

More or less like that

I think Rush has become ...like myself...more aware that true conservatism is in a demographic hole

He like me again...does not for an instant think Mexicans are natural conservatives

“If they are then why do the Dems want them legal so bad?”


48 posted on 04/01/2013 10:57:03 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

This article suggests that O’Reilly is a conservative. Right, and I’m the next King of England.


49 posted on 04/01/2013 10:59:09 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (Welcome to the new America.)
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To: nickcarraway
Wow, to me it sounds like he is mocking the pro-life movement with that bit. Does that really sound pro-life to you? I don't think pro-lifers I know would like that skit. And it seems to be portraying pro-lifers as wack jobs. Maybe, if he has pro-life beliefs today, they came later. That really sounds anti-pro-life to me.

Your comment reflects profound stupidity.

50 posted on 04/01/2013 11:08:25 PM PDT by Chunga (Newt for U.S. Senate)
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