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To: driftdiver
Crimes occur in every state all the time. Is that justification to elimination of all rights in America?

Being stopped and searched on the street doesn't seem to have affected habeas corpus or freedom of speech in New York City. No New Yorker has been sent to a gulag for criticizing Bloomberg. That I know of, anyway...

While it would be ideal if the Second Amendment rights of all New Yorkers were restored, the reality is that New Yorkers have to live in a city where only criminals are armed. Until New Yorkers recover their right to carry personal weapons, their only recourse is to insist on a level playing field, such that criminals are disarmed via stop-and-frisk.

59 posted on 03/25/2013 9:40:55 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

So you’ve willingly surrendered your rights. And we wonder why people like Bloomberg keep getting elected.

New Yorkers are certainly NOT raising a ruckus about the gun laws there. Not the city dwellers anyway, the upstate area where actual conservatives live have tried but are simply outnumbered.


60 posted on 03/25/2013 9:43:38 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Being stopped and searched on the street doesn't seem to have affected habeas corpus or freedom of speech in New York City. No New Yorker has been sent to a gulag for criticizing Bloomberg. That I know of, anyway...

You have an odd notion that a police state doesn't exist until people are arrested for dissent. First, if I refuse to be stopped and frisked, that is dissent, and I would be arrested, no?

That said, a police state exists when your free actions are unreasonably constrained by the power of the state. It doesn't matter whether the state's intentions are good or bad. Of course, a good king is better than a bad king, but that should not be the choice presented to free peoples.

72 posted on 03/25/2013 10:23:40 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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