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Rob Bell, Homosexuality, and the New Cultural Acceptance
The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood ^ | 03/19/2013 | Owen Strachan

Posted on 03/23/2013 2:11:02 PM PDT by BurningOak

With that said and meant, this shift is altogether unsurprising. The new mark of being culturally acceptable is affirming homosexuality as virtuous (not merely okay, but virtuous, even exemplary). This is the litmus test. I don’t think many of us expected that it would so quickly fill this role, but it has. The mark of being a progressive, kind, socially courageous person today is simply this: affirming same-sex marriage. There are other cardinal virtues of a contemporary au courant identity, but this is the lodestar, the one that hangs one’s personal moon.

This shows us that the cultural middle is indeed vanishing. The space where broad-minded people could hang out is rapidly disappearing. Either you are for same-sex marriage or not. If you’re not, and you’re a known commodity, you’re now behind the curve in a public, image-driven sense. Expect in coming days to see a veritable torrent of declarations of affirmation of SSM. Celebrities, news anchors, intellectuals, politicians, religious types, tycoons, and many more are heading to the pro-marriage exits. They’re going to be calling press conferences as quickly as they can. They’ll be getting into line with the value that drives the New Cultural Acceptance: affirming same-sex marriage.

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This is an absolutely brilliant editorial on the subject of same sex marriage and what is in store for conservatives and Christians who will not bend the knee (no I didn't write it). Please, please read the whole thing, it is worth your time of day and states the problem and the solution very elegantly and succinctly.

Hard to believe how far we have come in just 10 years since a bare majority of the Massachusetts Supreme Court took the great leap forward at the end of 2003...

1 posted on 03/23/2013 2:11:02 PM PDT by BurningOak
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To: BurningOak

I will never be a progressive, kind, socially courageous person today or any other day.

I have nothing against Homosexuals as long as they leave me and mine alone.

One of them touches me or my kid and he better be ready to rumble.

They are sick mentally ill people and it is a sin to allow them to call anything they do a marriage.


2 posted on 03/23/2013 2:16:56 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: BurningOak

Excellent post.


3 posted on 03/23/2013 2:17:37 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: BurningOak

Just because the media generally and hollywood accept Queerdom does not mean it’s generally accepted by most of the people..

The media is ultra left wing.. but “the people” are not..
Most the likely the opposite of what the media “IS FOR” the people are against..

Which demands media propaganda.. to “queer” the issue..


4 posted on 03/23/2013 2:18:04 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: BurningOak
Rob Bell, Homosexuality, and the New Cultural Acceptance

And then GOD laughed...



Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Doonesbury Cartoon for Feb/08/2013

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 
 
 
 

5 posted on 03/23/2013 2:34:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Wow, Rob Bell is calling for people to repent? If I had to guess, I’d say he rejects the whole concept because “Love Wins” and everyone ends up in Heaven. . .right Rob? However, it’s predictable coming from Bell because he’s calling on people to “repent” from believing in the Bible.

I’m sure this will keep the pieces of silver rolling in from the itchy-eared people who want to delude themselves that they’re Christians. Believe and be obedient or don’t waste your time folks.


6 posted on 03/23/2013 2:37:44 PM PDT by Hayride
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To: BurningOak

Either you are for same-sex marriage or not. If you’re not, and you’re a known commodity, you’re now behind the curve in a public, image-driven sense.

******

I could care less what the public thinks of my opinion, I care what the public thinks of my opinion, I care about what the Lord thinks.

Once again liberals show their ignorance. We don’t hate fellow human beings, but we DO NOT have to accept everything they do.

What truly bothers me is the liberal hypocrisy. They want the unacceptable to look acceptable, another feel good project for votes. Same thing with African Americans. We’ll give you 40 acres and a mule, just vote for us and we’ll help you. That was 148 yrs ago, and they are still living in poverty and hoping for freedom.

I do not accept homosexuality, and I never will. It doesn’t mean I hate the person, just the act itself. It is an abomination. I just hope the feel good crowd has a good explaination when they come face to face with the Lord. He isn’t going to give them a vote on the subject.


7 posted on 03/23/2013 2:39:38 PM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: BurningOak
If I profess with loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except that little point which the world and the Devil are at that moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved, and to be steady on all the battlefield besides, is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point.

-- commonly attributed to Martin Luther

8 posted on 03/23/2013 2:40:53 PM PDT by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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To: BurningOak

9 posted on 03/23/2013 2:42:53 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: BurningOak

One day people are going to be made to realize again that homosexuality is in fact a disease by the simple product of its hindrance of normal and essential biological function.


10 posted on 03/23/2013 2:43:34 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: BurningOak
Bell went on to say that while it used to be fair to equate evangelicals with social conservatism, that assumption no longer holds true. More pointedly, he said, “I think we are witnessing the death of a particular subculture that doesn’t work. I think there is a very narrow, politically intertwined, culturally ghettoized, Evangelical subculture that was told “we’re gonna change the thing” and they haven’t.

Bell is a nut. He has basically repudiated the Bible.

11 posted on 03/23/2013 2:44:28 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

He did that years ago when he advocated universalism. He, Mclaren and the whole “emergent” movement just offer up recycled liberalism.


12 posted on 03/23/2013 2:48:00 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: BurningOak

Silent Majority become the Silent Minority.

People should have seen it coming.


13 posted on 03/23/2013 2:48:24 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Paul Ryan 2016)
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To: BurningOak

I am against homosexuality & abortion. Those are the sins. I do believe that people are attracted to persons of the same sex but that doesn’t mean they must have a sexual relationship. They can be chaste by making a choice and exercising discipline. Even living in the same house is not a sin, but it might be a temptation needing to be avoided. Society tell us that sexuality is the end all be all. It is not. There are many choices to make in life. For Christians who love God and their neighbor as themselves, first and foremost is not to sin.

Abortion is murder. There are other solutions but the world has said that we should choose sin because it is easier. They leave out the easier but more painful part. Again, disciplining ourselves to saving a sexual relationship for the marriage bed is the right choice. But when faced with an unwanted pregnancy, it doesn’t mean the baby(tissue to the world) is unwanted. Respect the life and honor God by making the right choices. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Give the precious baby a life with someone who respects its sacred creation as a child of God

Wordly homosexuals & abortionist can’t separate the sin from the sinner so they lump them together & say all have rights. Jesus died to save the sinner. Once that gift of eternal love & grace is accepted the sin needs to be dealt with It is possible to love the sinner & hate the sin. You don’t have to agree with what they & the world think is best.

We need to follow Jesus, not Rob Bell, Joel Osteen, John Calvin, Rick Warren, our Senators, celebraties.... Jesus is the Way.. The thoughts of great men might help us see the way but only as they are examined in light of scripture. Jesus is our Saviour & our only Hope.


14 posted on 03/23/2013 2:48:35 PM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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To: hosepipe
Just because the media generally and hollywood accept Queerdom does not mean it’s generally accepted by most of the people..

If you believe this you either aren't paying attention or have intentionally buried your head in the sand.

Once upon a time, not even that many years ago, what you say was true. Today, it's a whole new ballgame. Polling is increasingly showing wide majorities in favor of gay marriage. 10 years ago people would have opposed letting open gays in the military, today they support it. There is a reason you don't hear conservatives talking about repealing the law allowing homo's in armed forces. We now have a president that ran supporting homo-marriage and he won - despite having utterly failed economically. Gay marriage and gay rights used to be a winning issue for conservatives, is increasingly a loser. The media, Hollywierd and the entertainment establishments succeeded at changing American's opinion on this issue.

15 posted on 03/23/2013 2:52:15 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: BurningOak

“we need to repent.”

Rob Bell says we need to repent. He’s right in general, but why? If he bases our need to repent on anything in the Bible, then he has to face other parts of the Bible that are inconvenient to his point of view. Why does Rob Bell get to pick and choose? Liberal Christianity is as stupid as liberal anything. It’s a house of cards that cannot hold up under the weight of its own contradictions.


16 posted on 03/23/2013 2:55:42 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: hosepipe

I think The homosexual agenda is a fad at the moment with little to no long term legs. for the simple reason that “Gay marriage” makes no sense and serves no constructive(family) propose to justify its burden on either the parties or sociology.

At the end of the day whether liberals and their victims choose to acknowledged this fact or not Homosexuality is a diseases.


17 posted on 03/23/2013 2:57:41 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Longbow1969

The gays knew what they were doing back in the 1960s when they began their assault on the entire media and entertainment industry, slowly but surely, they gained a foothold....and now they’ve gained enough power that basically acceptance of their lifestyle is the main litmus test in gaining employment in those industries.


18 posted on 03/23/2013 3:00:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cdcdawg

Liberal chrislanity is and always has been a dying religion because if you accept the tenets of liberalism than Christianity falls apart.

This is why churches that compromise die, where as the largest & most successful churches are the most devout.


19 posted on 03/23/2013 3:00:35 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Longbow1969
The media, Hollywierd and the entertainment establishments succeeded at changing American's opinion on this issue.

Most people, most of the time, especially in a democratic society, will tend to go along with what they think most of their peers believe in.

20 years ago one had to beat against the current to be pro-gay. I was recently reading a late-60s John D. MacDonald noval, and the hero casually expressed anti-gay and lesbian attitudes that were utterly unexceptional at the time. Orson Scott Card is presently being boycotted because he expressed much less negative attitudes in print 20 years ago.

A year or two ago we were probably at 50/50. The trend is only in one direction, and as it gets harder to be anti, fewer people will be willing to fess up to such a hateful opinion.

This is, BTW, exactly what happened with regard to racism. Such a belief system is acceptable in very few places in American society today. Which is an example of this dynamic working in a positive way.

The pro-gay groups have succeeded in equating a belief that homosexual activity is sinful with racism, an example of the dynamic working negatively. IMO.

20 posted on 03/23/2013 3:02:08 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Monorprise

Very true, and it looks like gay marriage is the issue that has caused the most push-back. Even in mainline churches it’s the congregations that stick to orthodox teachings that are thriving.

The progressives have had a field day in destroying our churches, government, and culture for almost 100 years. They have managed to replace the church with government. Personally, I think the church has to be retaken before anything worthwhile happens in the other two.


21 posted on 03/23/2013 3:05:21 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: dfwgator

Simply point out how their lifestyle hold not even the theoretical possibility of reproduction and the whole house of cards falls apart.

The homosexual life style is a dead end proposition and thus ultimately self-destructive.

Getting our civilization to recognize that biological fact will also require that we focus on the pillars of civilization namely having larger genetically healthy families(children).

We do that in our argument process we can turn the tide not only on the homosexual agenda but the fall of our own civilization. We do it not, our civilization will collapse demographically to the point where those that survive will be at least personalty predisposed to our position anyway.

Frankly we can’t lose, in the long run, because they can’t or won’t procreate.


22 posted on 03/23/2013 3:11:00 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: dfwgator

Simply point out how their lifestyle hold not even the theoretical possibility of reproduction and the whole house of cards falls apart.

The homosexual life style is a dead end proposition and thus ultimately self-destructive.

Getting our civilization to recognize that biological fact will also require that we focus on the pillars of civilization namely having larger genetically healthy family sizes(more than 3 children).

We do that in our argument process we can turn the tide not only on the homosexual agenda but the fall of our own civilization. We do it not, our civilization will collapse demographically to the point where those that survive will be at least personalty predisposed their self-destructive position anyway.

Frankly we can’t lose, in the long run, because they can’t or won’t procreate.


23 posted on 03/23/2013 3:13:32 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: cdcdawg

“Very true, and it looks like gay marriage is the issue that has caused the most push-back. Even in mainline churches it’s the congregations that stick to orthodox teachings that are thriving.

The progressives have had a field day in destroying our churches, government, and culture for almost 100 years. They have managed to replace the church with government. Personally, I think the church has to be retaken before anything worthwhile happens in the other two.”

You may be right about that, although to be perfectly clear this is really a race to save as many churches as we can, not so much prevent leftism from inflitrating every church.

Leftist churches that abandon the writen word of God and embrace the abomination of homosexuality will die on their own from their own contradiction undermining their moral foundation in the minds of heir parishioners. (To say nothing from the homosexual union’s inherit inability to procreate.)

Just remember we are in a race to save as many churches as possible.


24 posted on 03/23/2013 3:21:19 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Well when they put homosexual advocates in every school and push any kid that doesn’t fall in line it was bound to happen.

But it won’t last either it will die or our civilization will die taking this embrace of dis-function with it.

The real tragity is the destruction of the institution of marriage as the bond of real families, instead of just one of a thousand legal tools that now have little to no meaning.

If the word is applied to unions of men or of women it will most clearly no longer be associated with its propose of producing children.

But instead with a set of restrictions that are unnecessary for a union now defined simply by a feeling. In other-words All that defines marriage as a meaningful will be gone among the people that subscribe to this idea.


25 posted on 03/23/2013 3:30:21 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: BurningOak
They won by default as nobody would fight. Now one must deal with the consequences of a morally sick demographic having influence.

The next great movement will be the lowering of the age of consent to the old Common Law age of 12 years. A twelve year old is a Sodomites delight!

26 posted on 03/23/2013 3:44:36 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Sherman Logan

sounds like you might have been reading some Travis McGee. I recently watched the movie Serial. I was struck by how much Hollywood has changed in 35 years. The main characters openly laugh about the gay motorcycle gang, and reference “interior decorator jokes.” The kid says shocking things about his “Gay Bruce” doll. A gay hairdresser is portrayed in a very stereotypical way.


27 posted on 03/23/2013 3:44:57 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: BurningOak

In the beginning there was right and wrong, and we have been compromising in the WRONG direction ever since.


28 posted on 03/23/2013 3:46:52 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: BurningOak

Washington State has approved gay marriage and legalized marijuana in a recent decision.
Gay marriage & marijuana being legalized on the same day makes sense now.

Go to Leviticus 20:13 - “If a man lies with another man he should be stoned.”

We were just interpreting it wrong.


29 posted on 03/23/2013 3:47:31 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: mardi59

Actually those that embrace homosexual unions are a known commodity’s.

What the left really want for homosexuals is acceptance of their perverted and sinful lifestyles as a “normal relationship”. This is what their campaign is all about as we have known from the beginning.

It is vital that we forever commit ourselves to the condemnation of such relationships as self-destructive, sinful, and perverted.


30 posted on 03/23/2013 3:48:18 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: SoFloFreeper

Just what I came here to post...


31 posted on 03/23/2013 3:50:56 PM PDT by machman
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To: Monorprise
Everything you say is true.

And yet, approximately 700,000 tubal sterilizations are performed in the United States each year. A tubal ligation is the most popular form of contraception worldwide--- and, like homosexuality, sex after sterilization does not hold even the theoretical possibility of reproduction.

If heteros can deliberately choose sterile intercourse --- unnatural sex --- so can gays and lesbians.

That's what they say.

And there's a certain logic consistency there. People across the board --- gay and straight --- have largely chosen against natural sex the way God made it.

I must say, the Catholic Church is the only group I know which has a coherent teaching on this.

However, a teaching which is hardly taught.

32 posted on 03/23/2013 3:52:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: BurningOak

We still haven’t full adjusted to the entire country being run by the black 13% of the population who have the wealthy and powerful bowing and grovelling at their slightest (but continuous) whining and complaining.

Now it looks like we will have to adjust to the queer 1% of the country taking over the reins of power and dictating to the other 310 million of us how to live, think and act.


33 posted on 03/23/2013 3:56:00 PM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Venturer

I will never say homosexuality is anything but an abomination and I will never say homosexual “marriage” is a right and I will never say teaching children homosexuality is healthy.

God help us. Surely the end (of America, at least) is near.


34 posted on 03/23/2013 3:59:08 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: BurningOak

I never heard of “Rob Bell” before he gave his opinion on gay marriage, and I could care less what he thinks.


35 posted on 03/23/2013 4:02:30 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: cdcdawg

Why does anyone care what Rob Bell thinks? Several years ago my Sunday School class had a series of his videos. I remember thinking at the time he was a nut case. I was surprised my church, a conservative Southern Baptist congregation, even was using his material. Must have been on sale.


36 posted on 03/23/2013 4:05:11 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Monorprise

AMEN to that.

Have you noticed though that they become more solicitous toward LGBT when election time comes around. They are the very face of hypocrisy.


37 posted on 03/23/2013 4:09:24 PM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: Longbow1969

People are frightened. They saw what happened in terms of those who supported Proposition 8, in terms of their jobs and businesses being threatened and having their homes put on maps for homosexuals to target. They see Christian organizations being thrown of campuses and students being punished for holding a bible study or objecting to Jesus’ Name literally being desecrated and stomped on.

The homosexual activists know exactly what they are doing. Once they have homosexual “marriage” in place they will start going after the churches who refuse to perform them.


38 posted on 03/23/2013 4:14:38 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Monorprise

I do not see homosexuality as a disease, it is a sin, and with Jesus it can be overcome like all other sin. Repenting will not cure you of cancer.


39 posted on 03/23/2013 4:20:29 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: BurningOak

A good read, maybe a bit premature when it comes to mainstream America, but not in regards to academia, the media and pop culture. One thing is for certain. Homosexuals and gay marriage won’t bear the weight of virtue or courage. People may be demagoged and persuaded by pop culture that gay marriage is about love and honorable relationships, but the coarse and perverted nature of homosexuality will bring down that illusion when it is no longer necessary.


40 posted on 03/23/2013 4:27:52 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Sherman Logan

The momentum is frightening, the squishy middle has decided that marriage is a sinking ship and is jumping overboard. Gingrich, Laura Bush, and the Ohio Senator are just the beginning. Anyone who is not sure of where he stands will take the road of less resistance and cross over.


41 posted on 03/23/2013 4:28:26 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: Monorprise

That battle was lost half a century ago with the introduction of the pill, effectively divorcing sex from reproduction. 99% of people fornicate before marriage, most women married and not take birth control, Roe is now 40, the Biblical idea that sex = children is basically dead and buried in a pit with 50 million aborted babies.


42 posted on 03/23/2013 4:34:02 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: BurningOak
"But the practical result of this principle is one on which there is no need of speculating; it works in one unvarying way. When error is admitted into the Church, it will be found that the stages of its progress are always three.

It begins by asking toleration. Its friends say to the majority: You need not be afraid of us; we are few and weak; only let us alone; we shall not disturb the faith of others. The Church has her standards of doctrine; of course we shall never interfere with them; we only ask for ourselves to be spared interference with our private opinions.

Indulged in this for a time, error goes on to assert equal rights. Truth and error are two balancing forces. The Church shall do nothing which looks like deciding between them; that would be partiality. It is bigotry to assert any superior right for the truth. We are to agree to differ and any favoring of the truth, because it is truth, is partisanship. What the friends of truth and error hold in common is fundamental. Anything on which they differ is “ipso facto” non-essential. Anybody who makes account of such a thing is a disturber of the peace of the church. Truth and error are two co-ordinate powers, and the great secret of church-statesmanship is to preserve the balance between them.

From this point error soon goes on to its natural end, which is to assert supremacy. Truth started with tolerating; it comes to be merely tolerated and that only for a time. Error claims a preference for its judgments on all disputed points. It puts men into position, not as at first in spite of their departure from the Church’s faith, but in consequence of it. Their recommendation is that they repudiate that faith, and position is given them to teach others to repudiate it, and make them skillful in combating it." (pp. 195-196)

From: “THE CONSERVATIVE REFORMATION AND ITS THEOLOGY as represented in the Augsburg Confession and in the history and literature of the Evangelical Lutheran Church” by Charles P. Krauth, D.D. (1871). [Note date]

43 posted on 03/23/2013 4:53:09 PM PDT by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: Longbow1969
Once upon a time, not even that many years ago, what you say was true. Today, it's a whole new ballgame. Polling is increasingly showing wide majorities in favor of gay marriage. 10 years ago people would have opposed letting open gays in the military, today they support it. There is a reason you don't hear conservatives talking about repealing the law allowing homo's in armed forces. We now have a president that ran supporting homo-marriage and he won - despite having utterly failed economically. Gay marriage and gay rights used to be a winning issue for conservatives, is increasingly a loser. The media, Hollywierd and the entertainment establishments succeeded at changing American's opinion on this issue.

Fortunately, it's not the most important issue on America's agenda. More and more, people are going to learn that the Democratic Party's economic, budgetary and taxing theories are garbage, that Democratic Party legislative initiatives such as Obamacare destroy jobs and destroy any incentive to create jobs.

The stark reality of defaulting on $150,000 worth of student loans without being able to find a job for more than 29 hours a week, or more than minimum wage, and living in their mothers' basements with absolutely no hope of any change on the horizon, provides fertile soil for us among younger voters.

After they graduate from Socialism State University, and find out the reality of the Great Obama Depression, we need to reach out and take them. They are ours.

44 posted on 03/23/2013 5:01:12 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: Longbow1969; dfwgator

Oh, one other thing.

We need to stop talking about the spiritual consequences of sodomy and start talking about the medical consequences. The reduced life expectancy among homosexuals, by a margin of several years. The increased incidence of STDs and rectal cancer, and other diseases among homosexuals, and what that means.

The increased incidence of alcoholism, drug addiction and domestic violence among homosexuals. And what THAT means.

And the revelation that legalizing gay marriage won’t do anything to improve those numbers — because we’ll have statistics from states where gay marriage has been legal for 10 years, and the bad stuff that homosexuals do to themselves, and each other, will still be happening with the same destructive frequency.


45 posted on 03/23/2013 5:06:18 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: Rytwyng

Sadly too, the Lutheran Church is very anti-Luther today.


46 posted on 03/23/2013 5:13:07 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: BurningOak
Perhaps our connection with Isaiah and Jeremiah and the Minor Prophets will no longer be expository, a matter for our devotions. Perhaps we will walk in their paths and experience their sorrows. If so, we know their God, and he will bear us through.

Praise God for allowing us to walk in the footsteps of our Christian ancestors.

47 posted on 03/23/2013 8:11:28 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Bell is a nut. He has basically repudiated the Bible.

Bell's been doing that his entire career. He's a hipster demon.

48 posted on 03/23/2013 8:14:29 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: randog

Considering that some of the most fervent faith and richest commentary on the Scriptures came from the ante-Nicene fathers-—not a bad thing.


49 posted on 03/23/2013 8:19:39 PM PDT by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: randog

Who is Rob Bell?


50 posted on 03/23/2013 8:52:48 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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