Rand Paul: Pathway To Citizenship Is Needed, E-Verify Is Not

HuffingtonPost.com | 03/19/2013 9:47 am EDT | Elise Foley

[SoConPubbie]

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) gave a full-throated endorsement on Tuesday for comprehensive immigration reform that would allow undocumented immigrants to become citizens but not expand the employment verification system, putting him at odds with members of his party.

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But Paul differs from many Republicans, and some Democrats, on employment verification. Paul singled out E-Verify, an already-existing federal effort to check employment status. It's considered necessary by many to ensure businesses aren't hiring workers they shouldn't, but it's also criticized as cumbersome for employers and too likely to give false positives that would keep citizens and legal immigrant workers from being hired.

"My plan will not, though -- and this is where I disagree with some in the bipartisan group -- impose a national ID card," he said. "It will also not have mandatory E-Verify. I don't mind if there's E-Verify, maybe related to the tax code somehow, but I don't like the idea of making every business owner a policeman."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/rand-paul-pathway-to-citizenship_n_2906587.html

[Red Boots]

E-Verify makes indvidual business owners do the work the Federal government is supposed to be doing. We pay taxes to them to do it, but, they refuse to enforce their own laws, but then, I'm supposed to ?

The whole I-9/Everify thing is not working like it was hoped- it has a high rate of false reporting (because there are so many fake ids out there), and, if you get one, you aren't allowed to actually do anything about it.

Read the I-9 form if you don't believe me.

[Dead Corpse]

“But hey! Look! We have someone here who wants the status quo to change! Shouldn’t we get behind his effort?

No? We need to join the rest of the flying monkeys to throw poo at him because his Dad is kind of a kook?

Oh... Ok.”

And THAT is why we continue to lose.

[Iron Munro]

the liberal line that businesses should be punished with e-verify.

Isn't it revealing that the same people who denigrate e-Verify checks on citizenship think background checks for every gun purchases is fine?

They claim having a business fill out and submit an e-verify form is a punishment and an onerous burden on businesses that makes them "do the government's job".

Yet they think it is fine to require gun dealers to fill out and submit a background check form for every gun they sell or transfer.

As if that wasn't "doing the government's job", gun dealers also must keep records of every transaction so the BATF can check gun sale records at any time. Remember - the law prohibits the government from keeping records on background checks leading to gun purchases and transfers. So to get around that restriction the government just requires gun dealers to keep the records for them.

See the difference?
I don't either.

[SoConPubbie]

“But hey! Look! We have someone here who wants the status quo to change! Shouldn’t we get behind his effort?

No? We need to join the rest of the flying monkeys to throw poo at him because his Dad is kind of a kook?

Sure, he wants the status quo to change, by giving our enemies, the left, everything they could want on this issue, millions of more Democrat voters.

He goes against every conservative principle there is to do this.

On this issue alone, Rand Paul has become a traitor to conservatives.

[free me]

Exactly. Rand is a good guy but not on these issues.

[Gunslingr3]

Because we have millions of unemployed Americans.

Sounds like your problem is with the welfare state. If you're going to pay people to sit on their ass, in a country of 300+ million you'll have millions that take that deal.

[Iron Munro]

His plan is strictly about securing the border and fixing the guest worker program. All else would stay as it is now.

Now you have gone beyond the area of misunderstanding and entered the realm of the ridiculous.

Just read Rand Pauls own words.

[Dead Corpse]

...everything they could want on this issue...

Except for blanket amnesty, expanded guest worker, more bennies regardless of status, and no border controls?

If you need to LIE to push your position, at least make sure it is close to he truth. Pushing "the big lie" doesn't work here.

[Dead Corpse]

Yeah... I’ve been trying to get you guys to do that.

Back up to here... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2999226/posts?page=23#23

And try it again.

[Mr Rogers]

“And e-verify would be an additional regulation imposed on businesses that would make them less competitive.”

E Verify is the best bet to get illegals to go home. It involves almost no effort by the employer.

[Mr Rogers]

“Should we deny people who want to come here and work the ability to do so? If so, why?”

Did you know we have an unemployment problem?

[theBuckwheat]

While practicalities require we allow these people to have some type of legal status, we would make a GRAVE MISTAKE to allow them to ever have the right to vote.

[Gunslingr3]

1. They've committed all kinds of crime including, crossing the border illegally,

Does someone crossing the border violate anyone's rights? This sounds like a 'crime' against the regulatory state.

ID Fraud, etc. that if you or I committed we'd be summarily thrown in jail.

They resort to ID fraud because the regulatory system provides insufficient means for them to work here legally. This is what Paul wants to address (and it being misrepresented as citizenship). If your state decided arbitrarily to hand out only 100,000 driver's licenses a year, would you be surprised if some folks decided to drive without them, or resorted to fake driver's licenses in order to get to work and feed their families?

2. They've been stealing from the taxpayers and are probably the main reason for the imbalance in budgets in States, Counties, and Cities in the United States, while taking jobs that Americans could have taken.

All welfare systems are stealing from taxpayers, it is their nature. But the problem lies with welfare, not immigration per se. I think you'll find no better ally than Paul in reducing the welfare state.

BTW, you might want to read about the reality of immigrants and welfare. Immigrants are actually more likely to be employed than native born, and barred by law from most federally funded welfare programs (part of the '96 welfare reform).

I think the 'conservative' party in the US should welcome workers, because we can't create wealth without them.

[xzins]

I’ve always believe Rand Paul is a libertarian. I’ve never considered him a conservative, so I don’t see him as a traitor to conservatives. I think libertarians line up with us conservatives in some places and in many places they don’t.

I have no idea what the libertarian position is on immigration. You’d think they’d believe, “If you haven’t earned it, then you don’t get to just take it.” But, I could be dead wrong thinking that they support individual responsibility.

In any case, where we’re at now is simply allowing the status quo to continue. And the status quo sucks big time.

Terrorist access to our shores: brought to you by the status quo.

[Iron Munro]

Nothing at all getting done equals the status quo, loved by democrat politicians and unscrupulous hirers of illegal labor, not to mention drug runners.

The irony of this situation is that if the government had actually closed down illegal immigration on the southern border there would be less resistance to some of these proposed immigration reforms.

People might actually be in a frame of mind to consider a reasonable solution.

But we know the government does not really intend on shutting the borders so there is no trust in anything they say.

We have heard them lie about closing the border since 1986. Remember George Bush promised to build a fence back in 2004-2005? How many millions did he waste on pretending to build a workable fence? How many millions has Obama wasted on pretending he wanted to control the borders? He hired more Border Patrol agents then made rules preventing them from doing their jobs.

How many times do they think we will fall for the old Lucy/Charlie Brown football trick?

[BarnacleCenturion]

This is a direct quote:

“As long as those here want to work, I’d get them work visas, and as long as they want to apply you get in the normal line for citizenship that’s already available, so it’s not a new pathway, it’s an existing pathway,”

Ridiculous, eh?

I hope this clears up your confusion.

[xzins]

We can’t lose track of the fact that the liberals want the status quo to continue.

That’s what gave them California, and in a decade or so, they will own Texas due to.....the status quo.

They no more will support ANYTHING that changes the immigration/border status quo, than they will support Antonin Scalia clones being elevated to the Supreme Court.

[joshua c]

Excellent post!
“...e-verify, the most important piece of any internal immigration enforcement.”

Unfortunately e-verify is only used by about 1% of businesses. NumbersUSA has the best information about this, including a database of employers who use e-verify.

It can be depressing to see how few actually use it. Some states have made it mandatory, but it will not be effective until consumers start pushing businesses to use e-verify.

Two types of businesses you do not see in the NumbersUSA database are landscape and home improvement/repair. These are also two types of businesses that consumers could pressure to e-verify by making it one of their requirements for doing business with them.

I always inquire about e-verify when choosing a contractor. Usually none of them do, but if more people would ask maybe more businesses would start using it.

[Iron Munro]

am·nes·ty

[am-nuh-stee] noun, plural am·nes·ties, verb, am·nes·tied, am·nes·ty·ing.

1. a general pardon for offenses, especially political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.

2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.

3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense.

[GraceG]

THE LIBERAL MEDIA IS TRYING TO DRIVE CORE SUPPORT AWAY FROM RAND PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BECAUSE THEY ARE LYING ABOYUT WHAT PAUL HAS SAID ABOUT THIS AND THEY KNOW IT!!!

RAND PAUL HAS SAID THAT BEFORE ANYONE DISCUSSES ANY SORT OF AMNESTY THAT THE BORDER MUST BE SECURED. RAND HAS SAID THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN SNOOKERED IN THE PAST AND HE WILL NOT FALL FOR THE SAME CRAP AGAIN IE. THE REAGAN AMNESTY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO SECURE THE BORDER BUT IT WAS NOT.

RAND HAS SAID “TRUST, BUT VERIFY”.

Sorry for the caps, but this looks to be a liberal PSY-Op to drive the core conservative people away from Rand Paul because the media is scared shiftless over Rand Paul.