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Rand Paul: Pathway To Citizenship Is Needed, E-Verify Is Not
HuffingtonPost.com | 03/19/2013 9:47 am EDT | Elise Foley

Posted on 03/21/2013 6:22:11 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) gave a full-throated endorsement on Tuesday for comprehensive immigration reform that would allow undocumented immigrants to become citizens but not expand the employment verification system, putting him at odds with members of his party.

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But Paul differs from many Republicans, and some Democrats, on employment verification. Paul singled out E-Verify, an already-existing federal effort to check employment status. It's considered necessary by many to ensure businesses aren't hiring workers they shouldn't, but it's also criticized as cumbersome for employers and too likely to give false positives that would keep citizens and legal immigrant workers from being hired.

"My plan will not, though -- and this is where I disagree with some in the bipartisan group -- impose a national ID card," he said. "It will also not have mandatory E-Verify. I don't mind if there's E-Verify, maybe related to the tax code somehow, but I don't like the idea of making every business owner a policeman."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/rand-paul-pathway-to-citizenship_n_2906587.html


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; everify; randpaul
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1 posted on 03/21/2013 6:22:12 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie; VinL; ex-snook; sport; INVAR; ejonesie22; PieterCasparzen; Colonel_Flagg; Washi; ...

Rand Paul Amnesty Ping!

It appears that Rand Paul has gone all liberal on us where Comprehensive Immigration Reform is concerned.


2 posted on 03/21/2013 6:24:44 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

My son told me that a schoolmate had the Gasdon flag flying from his truck and the school authorities made him take it down. They would not give a reason.


3 posted on 03/21/2013 6:25:18 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: SoConPubbie

He did not use citizenship in his speech. He later told Hannity that these people would have to get in line behind everyone else if they wanted citizenship. This is an intentional distortion of what he said.

I am still waiting for a candidate who is favor of 100% mass deportation, let’s hold every one to the same standard.


4 posted on 03/21/2013 6:28:16 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand Paul has repeatedly denied that he has proposed a pathway to citizenship. He has insisted that he supports a pathway to legal status.

Those are very different.

The conflicting stories make it hard to figure out what the truth is.


5 posted on 03/21/2013 6:29:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SoConPubbie

This is what I was afraid of with Rand Paul. He sounded good....for about a minute. Now he’s Ron Paul, part II


6 posted on 03/21/2013 6:29:18 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (Molon Labe)
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To: SoConPubbie

The part about citizenship for illegals is false and has already been debunked. He never said that.

And e-verify would be an additional regulation imposed on businesses that would make them less competitive.


7 posted on 03/21/2013 6:30:13 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: SoConPubbie

Another “Great White Hope” fizzles out.

Rand has it backwards.


8 posted on 03/21/2013 6:31:52 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: xzins
Rand Paul has repeatedly denied that he has proposed a pathway to citizenship. He has insisted that he supports a pathway to legal status.

Weasel words by someone who is more and more sounding like John McCain on this issue.

The truth is, he removes the illegality of the Illegals, thereby granting them Amnesty.

By doing that, the Illegals, if they choose to seek it, can get in line LEGALLY to become citizens.

This IS the pathway to citizenship for everyone.

So he is lying both when he does not support Amnesty or a pathway to citizenship, because that's EXACTLY what his plan does.
9 posted on 03/21/2013 6:33:12 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
And e-verify would be an additional regulation imposed on businesses that would make them less competitive.

Still making excuses for the bad decisions of your boy Rand Paul, I see.
10 posted on 03/21/2013 6:34:00 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The part about citizenship for illegals is false and has already been debunked. He never said that.

Weasel words by someone who is more and more sounding like John McCain on this issue.

The truth is, he removes the illegality of the Illegals, thereby granting them Amnesty.

By doing that, the Illegals, if they choose to seek it, can get in line LEGALLY to become citizens.

This IS the pathway to citizenship for everyone.

So he is lying both when he does not support Amnesty or a pathway to citizenship, because that's EXACTLY what his plan does.
11 posted on 03/21/2013 6:35:07 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

It’s hard to tell, SoCon. It would be easy enough for a lawmaker to insist that any legal status immigrant in this country must return to the country of origin to apply for citizenship and there is no way around.

They could write the law that way if they wanted to.


12 posted on 03/21/2013 6:38:20 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Perdogg
He did not use citizenship in his speech. He later told Hannity that these people would have to get in line behind everyone else if they wanted citizenship. This is an intentional distortion of what he said.

Actually, it is not. By removing their illegality by "Normalizing" them, they are then free and legal to pursue citizenship. This is the pathway to citizenship for everyone.

He can say he doesn't support it all day long, but his plan automatically removes the only roadblock in the way of illegals to entering the citizenship process.

He even states they have to get in the back of the line, which implies that they are now on the pathway to citizenship.

He's playing you.
13 posted on 03/21/2013 6:38:56 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
By doing that, the Illegals, if they choose to seek it, can get in line LEGALLY to become citizens.

What if they don't want to be citizens, but just want to come here and pick tomatoes for half the year? Should we deny people who want to come here and work the ability to do so? If so, why?

14 posted on 03/21/2013 6:39:23 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: xzins
It’s hard to tell, SoCon. It would be easy enough for a lawmaker to insist that any legal status immigrant in this country must return to the country of origin to apply for citizenship and there is no way around.

They could write the law that way if they wanted to.


True, but Rand Paul is not implying that, in fact, he is stating the exact opposite in his speeches, that this will normalize them and allow then to work.
15 posted on 03/21/2013 6:40:52 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

“It appears that Rand Paul has gone all liberal”

LOL, you are the one pushing the liberal line that businesses should be punished with e-verify. They pay taxes so that the federal government can enforce the law and secure the border.

LMAO. You post BS from the Huffington Post and call Rand Paul a liberal. FYI, the Huffington Post has been banned from this site and so should you. You’ll feel right at home at DU with all the other obamabots. Here you’re just an annoying little troll.


16 posted on 03/21/2013 6:43:47 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: SoConPubbie
but not expand the employment verification system, putting him at odds with members of his party.

No one should kid themselves, Rand Paul is an open borders libertarian. So, he even opposes e-verify, the most important piece of any internal immigration enforcement.

Those quibbling over the difference between a path to legal status and a path to citizenship are falling for Rand's ruse just as he intends. If such a ludicrous plan should be approved, only a few months would pass before some federal judge struck it down as being discriminatory and an unconstitutional second class status.

That's as dishonest and insulting as the constant quibbling over what is or isn't amnesty, when anything that waives the punishment prescribed by law (deportation) for a large group of people is by definition an amnesty.

Rand has joined the crowd who prefers to try and hoodwink the people over just telling the truth.

17 posted on 03/21/2013 6:44:37 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Gunslingr3
What if they don't want to be citizens, but just want to come here and pick tomatoes for half the year? Should we deny people who want to come here and work the ability to do so? If so, why?

1. They've committed all kinds of crime including, crossing the border illegally, ID Fraud, etc. that if you or I committed we'd be summarily thrown in jail.
2. They've been stealing from the taxpayers and are probably the main reason for the imbalance in budgets in States, Counties, and Cities in the United States, while taking jobs that Americans could have taken.
3. The Rule of Law???? 4. By allowing these leeches the ability to seek citizenship, you automatically start the process of the gradual death of the GOP and the party conservatives use right now to fight against the left.

I can't believe you asked that question on a Conservite website like FreeRepublic!
18 posted on 03/21/2013 6:45:44 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: xzins
Rand Paul has repeatedly denied that he has proposed a pathway to citizenship. He has insisted that he supports a pathway to legal status.

Sorry, but that is just not so.

Rand does support a plan that allows illegals to stay in the US and eventually have a "path to citizenship".
He just objects to calling it a "path to citizenship".

Here is one of many articles revealing his true position on the issue.
If you question the accuracy of this source just Google "rand no citizenship" or ""rand no amnesty" and you will find many others.

Remember - in spite of his invigorating CPAC speech he is still a politician at heart.

Rand Paul: Don't Call My Plan 'Pathway To Citizenship'

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) supports allowing undocumented immigrants to remain in the United States, receive legal status and eventually apply to become citizens. But he would rather not use the term "pathway to citizenship," he said Tuesday.

"I think we're trapped. The immigration debate has been trapped and it's been polarized by two terms: path to citizenship and amnesty," Rand told reporters on a conference call. "Everybody who doesn't want anything to move forward calls every proposal that somebody else wants 'pathway to citizenship' or 'you're granting amnesty.' Can't we have reform and just not call it by some names that discourage the progress from going forward?"

Paul gave an address earlier Tuesday to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce where he laid out his desired plan for immigration reform. A number of news outlets, including this one, reported that Paul had endorsed the idea of a pathway to citizenship, although not using the term specifically. His office insisted later that he had been misinterpreted: he did not want any special avenue for people to become citizens, although his plan would allow them to do so.


19 posted on 03/21/2013 6:45:53 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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a schoolmate had the Gasdon flag flying from his truck and the school authorities made him take it down. They would not give a reason.

Did it occur to him to make them give him a reason?

20 posted on 03/21/2013 6:46:11 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
LOL, you are the one pushing the liberal line that businesses should be punished with e-verify. They pay taxes so that the federal government can enforce the law and secure the border.

What is it with Rand/Ron Paul supporters that when their guy steps over the line, way over the line, where conservative principles are concerned, that they twist themselves into pretzels to deny it and protect them?
21 posted on 03/21/2013 6:47:12 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Chickensoup
My son told me that a schoolmate had the Gasdon flag flying from his truck and the school authorities made him take it down. They would not give a reason.

Most likely the moron "teachers" have no idea that it is a Revolutionary War Flag!

22 posted on 03/21/2013 6:47:34 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: SoConPubbie

“I do not support amnesty, I support legal immigration and recognize that the country has been enriched by those who seek the freedom to make a life for themselves. However, millions of illegal immigrants are crossing our border without our knowledge and causing a clear threat to our national security. I want to work in the Senate to secure our border immediately. In addition, I support the creation of a border fence and increased border patrol capabilities.

Immigrants should meet the current requirements, which should be enforced and updated. I realize that subsidizing something creates more of it, and do not think the taxpayer should be forced to pay for welfare, medical care and other expenses for illegal immigrants. Once the subsidies for illegal immigration are removed, the problem will likely become far less common.

I support local solutions to illegal immigration as protected by the 10th amendment. I support making English the official language of all documents and contracts.

Millions crossing our border without our knowledge constitutes a clear threat to our nation’s security. Instead of closing military bases at home and renting space in Europe, I am open to the construction of bases to protect our border.”

Directly from his Senatorial web page rather than the Huffington Post. Waht next? New York Times editorial page?

Your PDS is going to give you an ulcer.


23 posted on 03/21/2013 6:47:35 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Whatever Rand wants to do is fine with me as long as illegal workers pay back taxes as a condition of citizenship.


24 posted on 03/21/2013 6:48:37 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: CAluvdubya

No. He’s not. But SoCon-RINO is doing his best to paint him that way.


25 posted on 03/21/2013 6:48:47 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Thanks with keeping on this issue re: Rand.

I think there’s a real risk of Congress moving on it this spring, and thus making 2016 too late for stopping it, but this is absolutely critical to our future, including our future elections.

It’s good for Rand to be exposed on it early and often, before he gets any real momentum with Freepers.

(BTW, I’m fine with Rand’s voice as a Senator, just as long as we have enough Senators and Representatives to override his vote on this..)


26 posted on 03/21/2013 6:48:57 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Dead Corpse
Immigrants should meet the current requirements, which should be enforced and updated. I realize that subsidizing something creates more of it, and do not think the taxpayer should be forced to pay for welfare, medical care and other expenses for illegal immigrants. Once the subsidies for illegal immigration are removed, the problem will likely become far less common.

No, the subsidization will then become worse, because the subzidation is not based on legality, but income and the ability to pay.
27 posted on 03/21/2013 6:49:16 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Weasel words.”

That they are. If you have to parse them, as folks here are doing with the energy of dervishes, then they’re weasel words. The native tongue of the politician.


28 posted on 03/21/2013 6:49:39 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Your PDS is going to give you an ulcer.

What is it with Rand/Ron Paul supporters that when their guy steps over the line, way over the line, where conservative principles are concerned, that they twist themselves into pretzels to deny it and protect them?
29 posted on 03/21/2013 6:50:30 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Which, it sounds like Rand wants to do away with but you want to keep because you oppose Rand’s plan?

Sound about right?


30 posted on 03/21/2013 6:51:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Big mistake.


31 posted on 03/21/2013 6:51:40 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: SoConPubbie

The only one “twisting” here is you.

Rand wants MILITARY bases on the border to help seal it. He wants bennies cut off to those who NEVER SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

And jackasses like you have a problem with it...

Nice going Ace. Don’t do us any more favors.


32 posted on 03/21/2013 6:52:55 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Weasel words by someone who is more and more sounding like John McCain on this issue.

The confusion and disagreement right here at Free Republic as to what Rand said and what Rand meant shows that his Clinton-like word parsing has accomplished his goal of obfuscating his true agenda.

He doesn't support "a path to citizenship", he just supports a plan that eventually allows illegals to apply for citizenship.

See the difference?

Neither do I.


33 posted on 03/21/2013 6:55:02 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: xzins

Rand Paul has repeatedly denied that he has proposed a pathway to citizenship. He has insisted that he supports a pathway to legal status. Those are very different. The conflicting stories make it hard to figure out what the truth is.

As friends of mine who are "Republicans" before they are "Conservatives" continue to throw Rand Paul under the bus, they get my attention. I wonder to myself what happened to the Republican's so called "11th commandment" about not speaking ill of fellow Republicans? The answer, I think, is simple. Rand Paul is not "one of them". He's not part of the country club Republican GOPe circle. And *that* I find VERY attractive in a presidential candidate. By all means, McCain and Graham (et al), keep calling Rand a "whacko bird". You are opening our eyes.


34 posted on 03/21/2013 7:02:01 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: SoConPubbie

Also, as has been pointed out to the point of idiocy... RAND IS NOT RON.

Their positions are vastly different on a number of issues.

Using an association fallacy to wage an Alinsky attack against Rand is just stupid and transparent.


35 posted on 03/21/2013 7:02:22 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SoConPubbie

The ‘Pathway to Citizenship’ has been defined and is practiced for immigrants from every part of the world, except for the felonous illegals who sneak across the porous border with Mexico.

That Pathway, begins in the home country, with a request to be allowed to immigrate. Why in hell do we have to make exceptions for those coming in from the south? Send ‘em all home and make them get in line on THEIR side of the border!


36 posted on 03/21/2013 7:02:24 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Iron Munro

“He just supports a plan that eventually allows illegals to apply for citizenship.”

That’s nonsense. Illegals can apply for citizenship now.

His plan is strictly about securing the border and fixing the guest worker program. All else would stay as it is now.


37 posted on 03/21/2013 7:02:33 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Gunslingr3

Because we have millions of unemployed Americans.


38 posted on 03/21/2013 7:02:37 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Will88
Rand Paul is an open borders libertarian.

Yeah... Especially that part where we wants the MILITARY on the border...

Oh... wait...

39 posted on 03/21/2013 7:03:17 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Iron Munro; SoConPubbie

The problem with all of this, of course, is that we’ll never get anything to fix this problem, so we’ll be stuck with the status quo of open borders that allow illegals across just about whenever they want. It has 20 million in the country and more will be able to come whenever they want.

That is the status quo.

I despise the status quo. You despise the status quo. We want it fixed, but the opponents really don’t. They want to keep it the way it is.

That means we lose. Nothing at all getting done equals the status quo, loved by democrat politicians and unscrupulous hirers of illegal labor, not to mention drug runners.


40 posted on 03/21/2013 7:08:13 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SoConPubbie
E-Verify makes indvidual business owners do the work the Federal government is supposed to be doing. We pay taxes to them to do it, but, they refuse to enforce their own laws, but then, I'm supposed to ?

The whole I-9/Everify thing is not working like it was hoped- it has a high rate of false reporting (because there are so many fake ids out there), and, if you get one, you aren't allowed to actually do anything about it.

Read the I-9 form if you don't believe me.

41 posted on 03/21/2013 7:09:00 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: xzins

“But hey! Look! We have someone here who wants the status quo to change! Shouldn’t we get behind his effort?

No? We need to join the rest of the flying monkeys to throw poo at him because his Dad is kind of a kook?

Oh... Ok.”

And THAT is why we continue to lose.


42 posted on 03/21/2013 7:11:09 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
the liberal line that businesses should be punished with e-verify.

Isn't it revealing that the same people who denigrate e-Verify checks on citizenship think background checks for every gun purchases is fine?

They claim having a business fill out and submit an e-verify form is a punishment and an onerous burden on businesses that makes them "do the government's job".

Yet they think it is fine to require gun dealers to fill out and submit a background check form for every gun they sell or transfer.

As if that wasn't "doing the government's job", gun dealers also must keep records of every transaction so the BATF can check gun sale records at any time. Remember - the law prohibits the government from keeping records on background checks leading to gun purchases and transfers. So to get around that restriction the government just requires gun dealers to keep the records for them.

See the difference?
I don't either.


43 posted on 03/21/2013 7:25:52 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Dead Corpse; xzins
“But hey! Look! We have someone here who wants the status quo to change! Shouldn’t we get behind his effort?

No? We need to join the rest of the flying monkeys to throw poo at him because his Dad is kind of a kook?


Sure, he wants the status quo to change, by giving our enemies, the left, everything they could want on this issue, millions of more Democrat voters.

He goes against every conservative principle there is to do this.

On this issue alone, Rand Paul has become a traitor to conservatives.
44 posted on 03/21/2013 7:26:10 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Will88

Exactly. Rand is a good guy but not on these issues.


45 posted on 03/21/2013 7:26:37 AM PDT by free me
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To: kabumpo
Because we have millions of unemployed Americans.

Sounds like your problem is with the welfare state. If you're going to pay people to sit on their ass, in a country of 300+ million you'll have millions that take that deal.

46 posted on 03/21/2013 7:27:47 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: BarnacleCenturion
His plan is strictly about securing the border and fixing the guest worker program. All else would stay as it is now.

Now you have gone beyond the area of misunderstanding and entered the realm of the ridiculous.

Just read Rand Pauls own words.


47 posted on 03/21/2013 7:29:06 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: SoConPubbie
...everything they could want on this issue...

Except for blanket amnesty, expanded guest worker, more bennies regardless of status, and no border controls?

If you need to LIE to push your position, at least make sure it is close to he truth. Pushing "the big lie" doesn't work here.

48 posted on 03/21/2013 7:29:40 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Iron Munro

Yeah... I’ve been trying to get you guys to do that.

Back up to here... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2999226/posts?page=23#23

And try it again.


49 posted on 03/21/2013 7:31:25 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“And e-verify would be an additional regulation imposed on businesses that would make them less competitive.”

E Verify is the best bet to get illegals to go home. It involves almost no effort by the employer.


50 posted on 03/21/2013 7:35:58 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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