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Being White in Philly
Philadelphia Magazine ^ | March 2013 | Robert Huber

Posted on 03/16/2013 6:10:28 PM PDT by The people have spoken

Subtitle: Whites, race, class, and the things that never get said.

My younger son goes to Temple, where he’s a sophomore. This year he’s living in an apartment with two friends at 19th and Diamond, just a few blocks from campus. It’s a dangerous neighborhood. Whenever I go see Nick, I get antsy and wonder what I was thinking, allowing him to rent there.

One day, before I pick him up for lunch, I stop to talk to a cop who’s parked a block away from Nick’s apartment.

“Is he already enrolled for classes?” the cop says when I point out where my son lives.

Well, given that it’s December, I think so. But his message is clear: Bad idea, this neighborhood. A lot of burglaries and robberies. Temple students are prime prey, the cop says.

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At the same time, white Philadelphians think a great deal about race. Begin to talk to people, and it’s clear it’s a dominant motif in and around our city. Everyone seems to have a story, often an uncomfortable story, about how white and black people relate.

(Excerpt) Read more at phillymag.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: beingwhiteinphilly; mayornutter; pennsylvania; philadelphia; race
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To: Lancey Howard

my niece looked at Temple but my brother to his credit absolutely forbade her.


51 posted on 03/16/2013 9:49:00 PM PDT by cherry
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To: The people have spoken

Ping for later


52 posted on 03/16/2013 10:46:25 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: The people have spoken
Philadelphia is the city that originally inspired the book "White Girl Bleed A Lot".

“I started hearing about what the newspapers were calling ‘flash mobs’ and teenagers walking around downtown Philadelphia,” he said. “It happened over and over. I looked at YouTube, and what I saw on YouTube was totally different than the antiseptic version I read in the newspaper.....“What I saw on YouTube was a race riot, several of them – large crowds of black people running down the streets of downtown Philadelphia, beating people up, hurting people very badly, pulling people out of cars, going into restaurants, stealing stuff, destroying property. Then I realized it was happening all over the country, not just in places like Philly, but in Baltimore, New York and all these big places and small places, like Peoria, Ill., or places you wouldn’t expect it, like Seattle and Portland.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/race-riots-media-wont-talk-about/#zsbBCARHRjbuq4TE.99

53 posted on 03/16/2013 10:52:34 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
4 nights later the good doctor was hovering over the black kid in the emergency room-the kid had been knifed.

Here's hoping it was his own knife, and it was stuck in a very, let's just say, educational place...as in, "teach him a good lesson".

54 posted on 03/17/2013 1:10:46 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Lancey Howard

It is funny in a sad sort of way. The author seems to be a lib who sort of hinted at the truth but couldn’t quite let himself say it and yet has been taken to task like John Derbyshire who took the gloves off and let the truth eagles fly.


55 posted on 03/17/2013 1:19:06 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Thanks for the beautiful graphic.

Here's another: it's a mural on the side of a building at 9th & Montrose in the Italian Market:

That's St. Paul's R.C. Church in the left background, red brick with white trim and gray roof.

56 posted on 03/17/2013 1:35:16 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberalism: knowing you're better than everyone else because of your humility. -- Daniel Greenfield)
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To: Albion Wilde

Beautiful. Why are there no children?


57 posted on 03/17/2013 1:47:03 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Eagles6; Lancey Howard
The author seems to be a lib who sort of hinted at the truth but couldn’t quite let himself say it and yet has been taken to task like John Derbyshire who took the gloves off and let the truth eagles fly.

Here's a link to the Derbyshire article that got him fired for saying the truth about how whites have to help their kids navigate today's rough racial climate:

The Talk: Nonblack Version


And here is a brilliant summation of the PC problem about racial discussions by the genius commentator, Thomas Sowell:

A Censored Race War?

58 posted on 03/17/2013 1:50:00 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberalism: knowing you're better than everyone else because of your humility. -- Daniel Greenfield)
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To: yldstrk

Do you live in Philly? If you don’t talk to men on the street means that black males dominate the area. Happens in a lot of White Guy Suit and Tie Areas. Them types are nutless when push comes to shove.


59 posted on 03/17/2013 2:29:40 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: RedHeeler; Lancey Howard; Kid Shelleen; Twink; Prov1322

Beautiful. Why are there no children?

Just not in that picture; although it's a challenging environment for kids who are too big for the stroller and too small to mind their mother. It's an outdoor market to which most people walk, because it's very hard to find parking, and then carry the bags home or to a parking spot a block or four away. The usual practice is to walk down six to eight blocks on one side, and walk back up the other side, which is a lot for a kid. There are crowds, piles of produce in crates, lots of odors -- some of them ancient -- from fish, meat and cheeses and the day's peelings and garbage all around, and in the winter there are firecans in the street (it's the street Rocky ran through when he started training in Rocky I).


A not very clear picture of the other side of the street, with a blazing fire in a tall can, keeping the vendor warm.

After things get up and running for the day, there are fish scales, bits of animal fats and fruit and vegetable slime all over the sidewalks and street. Once, I watched the garbage truck come up the street and totally fill up after only two blocks, When it compressed its load of imperfect veggies and fruits, fish heads, meat trimmings and cast-off stems and leaves, a greenish nutrient-rich liquid ran out onto the street that might have fed a third-world village for days. With all its old-world qualities, the Italian Market is a fabulous place and I shopped there almost exclusively for more than 20 years.

The locals, particularly the Italians, don't call it the Italian Market. They call it "9th Street." Or, in the local dialect, "Niynt Shtree."

Here is the sidewalk between the stores on the left and the produce stands on the street side. The street vendors stand with their backs just inches away from passing cars. I remember sadly when one of the vendors was killed by a passing truck in the 90s. When the market is busy, it is clogged with people like New York at rush hour:


Here is the scene of the Italian Festival, one block below the site of the mural but looking south instead of north:

You can see the street is not very wide. But everybody comes to the Festival to eat cannoli, sfogliatelli, macaroni with tomato "gravy", cheeses, fruits, water ice, pizza, cheesesteak sandwiches, olives, zeppoli ("fried dough") or some melt-in-the-mouth chunks from the whole roast pigs with apples in their mouths in front of the butcher shops. On warm crusty bread...

60 posted on 03/17/2013 2:44:40 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberalism: knowing you're better than everyone else because of your humility. -- Daniel Greenfield)
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To: The people have spoken

Encyclopedia Britannica (1798)

NEGRO, Homo pelli nigra, a name given to a variety of the human species, who are entirely black, and are found in the Torrid zone, especially in that part of Africa which lies within the tropics. In the complexion of negroes we meet with various shades; but they otherwise differ far from other men in all the features of their face. Round cheeks, high cheek-bones, a forehead somewhat elevated, a short, broad, flat nose, thick lips, small ears, ugliness, and irregularity of shape, characterize their external appearance. The negro women have the loins greatly depressed, and very large buttocks, which give the back the shape of a saddle. Vices the most notorious seem to be the portion of this unhappy race: idleness, treachery, revenge, cruelty, impudence, stealing, lyng, profanity, debauchery, nastiness and intemperance, are said to have extinguished the principles of natural law, and to have reproofs of conscience. They are strangers to every sentiment of compassion, and are an awful example of the corruption of man when left to himself.


61 posted on 03/17/2013 4:24:45 AM PDT by tupac (the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
When a reporter asked then Commissioner Rizzo how he planned to deal with a black anti-police organization he said: “When I'm finished with them, I'll make Attila the Hun look like a fag.”

That must have been Hizzhonors’ favorite expression. When he ran for mayor, c. ’79, after being out of favor, he was quoted as saying, “When I get back in office, …”

Just as an aside, my uncle owned a small factory in Philly until I-95 construction displaced him. The local beat cop stopped in one day and told a story. After some urban riots the cops were clearing the streets, block by block. A senior police official (can't say if it was Rizzo) was there following the action when a couple cops called down from a rooftop, “Hey, we’ve got a sniper up here!” “Get him down here, right now,” the top cop yelled back. The “sniper” was tossed down to the sidewalk.

62 posted on 03/17/2013 5:19:17 AM PDT by kitchen (Due to the increased price of ammo, do not expect a warning shot.)
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To: Eagles6

Kansas City


63 posted on 03/17/2013 5:52:17 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Eagles6

I am a small well dressed woman working in a devastated downtown, I don’t talk to men of any race as self preservation so I can go forward unmolested.


64 posted on 03/17/2013 5:54:28 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Rembrandt

And in high school the cheerleaders hung out with cheerleaders and football players hung out with football players. And I think people usually marry a person close to their socio-economic level as well.

Seems like we are attracted to those like us.


65 posted on 03/17/2013 6:03:55 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Chickensoup
This is not the first time years ago a welcomemat article stated as a premise that blacks in america are better off than blacks in other countries. Then proceeded to explain why. The paper was confiscated. I have a copy somewhere. Krystlnacht (sp)
66 posted on 03/17/2013 6:17:32 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: JoeProBono

That looks like the 56 trolley


67 posted on 03/17/2013 6:52:12 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Rembrandt

I saw a special on the filming of the original Planet of the Apes. It took hours to get each ape-character made up, so once you were an ape you stayed that way for 12+ hours.

They noticed on about day three that at lunch time all the orangutans were sitting together, the chimps were congregating and the gorillas were eating together.

People stopped eating with their longtime friends and associated with their own “species”.


68 posted on 03/17/2013 7:10:58 AM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Chickensoup
I made a pdf of it .. download it here: Being White in Philly
69 posted on 03/17/2013 8:39:44 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks for the cool post. I always marvel at that area. Drove through twice last week (cutting across town on Washington Ave. from 95 to Point Breeze). One thing about South Philly - - when people seem to haphazardly double park and block traffic? You just shut up your horn and wait a minute.


70 posted on 03/17/2013 9:05:22 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: gitmo

Wow... That IS interesting.


71 posted on 03/17/2013 9:07:36 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: yldstrk

‘As a matter of fact I am looking for a good boring man who is orthodox Catholic, if you find one, send them my way.’

If I may, I think that I can refer you to a good Catholic man by the name of Francis something-something. I hear he likes to travel.


72 posted on 03/17/2013 9:31:11 AM PDT by Delta Dawn
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To: yldstrk
Sad. I've lived and worked in the big city. I've lived most of my life in the country which is where I live now. I would rather live in a tent in the woods than live in a city.

It is a soulless place.

73 posted on 03/17/2013 12:57:28 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: kitchen

During that period I heard the New Jersey National Guard had a tactic to counter snipers on the roofs of abandoned tenements. They would set fire to the building.


74 posted on 03/17/2013 1:14:21 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

“Seems like we are attracted to those like us.”

I agree, it’s a natural thing. Yet people with a political agenda like to beat the drum and call us racists because we hang out with people who are like us. Go figure!

I think we know who the racists are and it’s probably not us.


75 posted on 03/17/2013 7:30:34 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks. Now, that’s nice. All the best.


76 posted on 03/17/2013 10:57:00 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: The people have spoken

Just like the articles that I used to follow all the time.. “Some guy wrote a whole book about it. Really good. It’s called White Girl Bleed a Lot. The return of racial violence and how the media ignore it. Http:WhiteGirlBleedaLot.” You will see the compilation of racial violence and black mob violence from different cities.


77 posted on 03/18/2013 7:56:01 AM PDT by Anila
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To: Lancey Howard
One thing about South Philly - - when people seem to haphazardly double park and block traffic? You just shut up your horn and wait a minute.

"Yo! Hol yer peants awen! Jis droppin owf da ziti at m' mudder-in-loss..."

78 posted on 03/18/2013 9:09:32 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberalism: knowing you're better than everyone else because of your humility. -- Daniel Greenfield)
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To: RedHeeler; Albion Wilde

It’s day time during the week and they’re in school. Unlike how it probably is in North Philly.


79 posted on 03/21/2013 4:36:38 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: hulagirl

Purging the northeast states would be a good start. They are no longer America.


80 posted on 03/21/2013 4:39:02 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: ilovesarah2012; Rembrandt

The appropriate term from Biology you are looking for is “assortive selection”.


81 posted on 03/21/2013 4:39:17 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Thanks. I knew a Freeper would know.


82 posted on 03/21/2013 4:44:23 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: sauropod

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83 posted on 03/21/2013 4:56:27 AM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: Albion Wilde
from the John Derbyshire article, "The Talk":

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

On the 4th of July in Center City Philadelphia. My family and I walked a few blocks from our hotel to see the fireworks display. The crowd was 90% African American. Shortly after arriving at our spot on the grass near the Art Museum, a firecracker sounded nearby. This ignited a stampede by the crowd as hundreds of panicked people believing it to be gunshot fled from the scene. My family and I got caught in the mayhem.

To a white crowd the sound of a firecracker on the 4th of July is normal and certaintly wouldn't alarm anyone. It's different for inner city blacks who are conditioned, apparently, to instantly kick into flight or fight mode at certain stimuli based on prior life experience.

84 posted on 03/21/2013 7:18:06 AM PDT by grasshopper2
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To: grasshopper2

Next time, go to the ones at the Delaware Waterfront (if Philly still has two 4th of July fireworks sites these days) — it abuts mostly white neighborhoods of Society Hill and Queen Village. Although there are two sets of projects over in Southwark; but you also have the Italian/Mummer “muscle militia” on the southeast side.


85 posted on 03/21/2013 9:30:39 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberalism: knowing you're better than everyone else because of your humility. -- Daniel Greenfield)
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To: FreedomPoster

Good. My comment was about the mural. The street snap-shot is telling, regardless. No biggie.


86 posted on 03/21/2013 8:51:52 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Rembrandt
"Look at animals in general. Dogs and cats don’t hang out together. In spite of Walt Disney, mice and rabbits don’t hang together. Self segregation is the natural order of all animals, including humans."

Wait...you're saying that white people and black people are different species? Wow. Did you give that any thought at all before you posted it, or are you really that misinformed?
87 posted on 03/25/2013 7:58:42 PM PDT by Bellows
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To: Brad from Tennessee; JoeProBono

Rizzo never saw a no bid union contract he never liked. Almost drove the city into bankruptcy, but the low IQ types loved him.


88 posted on 08/17/2013 10:50:23 AM PDT by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: Venturer
I simply say that I am no more racist than Maxine Waters, Al Sharpton, or Barrack Obama.

Wow, that much huh?

89 posted on 08/17/2013 10:57:41 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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