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Ancient Chinese coin found on Kenyan island by Field Museum expedition
Phys.Org ^ | 03-14-2014 | Provided by Field Museum

Posted on 03/14/2013 11:12:05 AM PDT by Red Badger

A joint expedition of scientists led by Chapurukha M. Kusimba of The Field Museum and Sloan R. Williams of the University of Illinois at Chicago has unearthed a 600-year-old Chinese coin on the Kenyan island of Manda that shows trade existed between China and east Africa decades before European explorers set sail and changed the map of the world.

The coin, a small disk of copper and silver with a square hole in the center so it could be worn on a belt, is called "Yongle Tongbao" and was issued by Emperor Yongle who reigned from 1403-1425AD during the Ming Dynasty. The emperor's name is written on the coin, making it easy to date. Emperor Yongle, who started construction of China's Forbidden City, was interested in political and trade missions to the lands that ring the Indian Ocean and sent Admiral Zheng He, also known as Cheng Ho, to explore those shores. "Zheng He was, in many ways, the Christopher Columbus of China," said Dr. Kusimba, curator of African Anthropology at The Field Museum.

"It's wonderful to have a coin that may ultimately prove he came to Kenya," he added. Dr. Kusimba continued, "This finding is significant. We know Africa has always been connected to the rest of the world, but this coin opens a discussion about the relationship between China and Indian Ocean nations." That relationship stopped soon after Emperor Yongle's death when later Chinese rulers banned foreign expeditions, allowing European explorers to dominate the Age of Discovery and expand their countries' empires.

The island of Manda, off the northern coast of Kenya, was home to an advanced civilization from about 200AD to 1430AD, when it was abandoned and never inhabited again. Trade played an important role in the development of Manda, and this coin may show trade's importance on the island dating back to much earlier than previously thought.

"We hope this and future expeditions to Manda will play a crucial role in showing how market-based exchange and urban-centered political economies arise and how they can be studied through biological, linguistic, and historical methodologies," Dr. Kusimba said. Provided by Field Museum search and more info website


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: africa; anthropology; archaeology; chengho; china; coin; coins; emperoryongle; epigraphyandlanguage; gavinmenzies; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; kenya; malindi; mambrui; mingdynasty; museum; yongletongbao; zhenghe

This Feb. 8, 2013 provided by The Field Museum in Chicago shows a rare, 600-year-old Chinese coin that scientists from Illinois discovered on the Kenyan island of Manda. The museum announced the discovery Wednesday, March 13, 2013, The coin is made of copper and silver and has a square hole in the center so it could be worn on a belt. Scientists say it was issued by Emperor Yongle of China who reigned from 1403-1425 during the Ming Dynasty. (Courtesy The Field Museum, John Weinstein)

The coin was found along with a receipt that said, "Laundry will be ready on Tuesday".......

1 posted on 03/14/2013 11:12:05 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv

ggg ping......


2 posted on 03/14/2013 11:14:04 AM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

Heads, I win!


3 posted on 03/14/2013 11:15:48 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Red Badger

Should not be a surprise.

http://www.nickscrusade.org/chinas-age-of-discovery-the-voyages-of-zheng-he/

China was everywhere except north america.


4 posted on 03/14/2013 11:16:09 AM PDT by edcoil (Half of every class gratuates at the bottom, they are now politicians.)
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To: edcoil

http://www.economist.com/node/5381851


5 posted on 03/14/2013 11:19:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger
Zheng He vs Columbus:


6 posted on 03/14/2013 11:21:27 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Red Badger

“...then we stopped headhunting because the Chinese were willing to hunt heads 20 hours a day for six cents an hour. So all the headhunting went offshore.”


7 posted on 03/14/2013 11:21:45 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Red Badger

Interesting question whether this coin arrived by trade or by the Cheng Ho expedition itself. Thanks for the post!


8 posted on 03/14/2013 11:22:00 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: massgopguy

The reason for the square hole was so it could be worn on a belt. This may be the world’s oldest example of money laundering...........


9 posted on 03/14/2013 11:22:30 AM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: edcoil

They have some maps that pre-date Columbus that depicted North America so they made it here too.


10 posted on 03/14/2013 11:22:53 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: edcoil

Pre-Colombus map from China.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uZtk_npJu94/Sw6EqhtenjI/AAAAAAAAA9g/7-J6RR3_3cg/s1600/1763-1418ChineseMap.jpg


11 posted on 03/14/2013 11:25:36 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: edcoil

Wasnt there pots found in California from China?


12 posted on 03/14/2013 11:26:24 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Red Badger

There is a book name “1421: The Year China Discovered America.”

The timeline fits.


13 posted on 03/14/2013 11:26:30 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: Red Badger

This doesn’t prove squat about the Chinese being in Africa... it only proves that a Chinese coin was in Africa. Coins travel great distances from one hand to the next; it may have taken a hundred transactions for this coin to get from China to Africa.


14 posted on 03/14/2013 11:27:39 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: mnehring

Neat. Thanks for sharing. I guess they thought baja was an island. Perhaps it was back then.


15 posted on 03/14/2013 11:29:23 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: edcoil

http://www.geographicus.com/blog/rare-and-antique-maps/fou-sang-or-fusang-a-5th-century-chinese-colony-in-western-america/


16 posted on 03/14/2013 11:29:27 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Oberon

I'd tend to agree with that statement.........

17 posted on 03/14/2013 11:30:14 AM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: mnehring

I saw that but if you read my link it says it is a hoax.


18 posted on 03/14/2013 11:35:29 AM PDT by edcoil (Half of every class gratuates at the bottom, they are now politicians.)
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To: Red Badger

Obama would spend this coin in a heartbeat.


19 posted on 03/14/2013 11:35:46 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: Cowboy Bob

That book is not generally accepted as factual.


20 posted on 03/14/2013 11:48:22 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Oberon

This doesn’t prove squat about the Chinese being in Africa... it only proves that a Chinese coin was in Africa. Coins travel great distances from one hand to the next; it may have taken a hundred transactions for this coin to get from China to Africa.

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So true. The presence of that one coin proves nothing.

However, are you of the belief that the Chinese did not make it to the west coast of Africa pre-Renaissance?


21 posted on 03/14/2013 11:48:54 AM PDT by dmz
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To: edcoil

22 posted on 03/14/2013 11:52:35 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah Mood is Fine Art)
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To: DManA

I read the book a few years 6 or so years ago, so forgive me if I get some of this wrong.

The non factual parts of the story (as I have read) are the parts that discuss voyages beyond Africa. I’ve not seen (that I can think of) anything disputing that the Chinese got to Africa.

Just my recollection, so I will eat the words if I’ve misremembered.


23 posted on 03/14/2013 11:58:15 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Red Badger

How do they know it was Kenyan? Did they see the coin’s birth certificate ?

And no, I’m not a “coiner”

/sarc


24 posted on 03/14/2013 11:59:02 AM PDT by llevrok (Keep your arms out. It makes it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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To: stormer

Wow! A big Chinese ship like that must have used a lot of African slaves.


25 posted on 03/14/2013 12:01:31 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: llevrok

The island is Kenyan, not the coin.........


26 posted on 03/14/2013 12:09:47 PM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: demshateGod

No, those were from Columbia..........;^)


27 posted on 03/14/2013 12:10:38 PM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

From your personal stash in Columbia, Mo?


28 posted on 03/14/2013 12:22:22 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Oberon
It was already known that Cheng Ho's sixth expedition (1421-1422) had reached the coast of East Africa.

Cheng Ho was a Muslim who had been castrated by the Ming Chinese--so he isn't one of Obama's ancestors.

29 posted on 03/14/2013 12:22:48 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: mnehring

Map includes Greenland, Australia, New Zealand, and Antarctica. Very interesting.


30 posted on 03/14/2013 12:25:04 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: dmz
However, are you of the belief that the Chinese did not make it to the west coast of Africa pre-Renaissance?

Not particularly. I don't know enough about the history and pre-history of that part of the world to have formed an opinion on the matter.

31 posted on 03/14/2013 12:31:50 PM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: demshateGod

Guaranteed strong pots, with no stems or seeds that you don’t need...........


32 posted on 03/14/2013 12:37:03 PM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I don’t know why it would; there was certainly a labor surplus in China, so the cost benefit of slave import probably wouldn’t pencil out.


33 posted on 03/14/2013 12:42:39 PM PDT by stormer
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To: demshateGod
I believe you may be referring to the anchor stones that were found off the coast.


34 posted on 03/14/2013 1:34:12 PM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: dmz
This doesn’t prove squat about the Chinese being in Africa... it only proves that a Chinese coin was in Africa. Coins travel great distances from one hand to the next; it may have taken a hundred transactions for this coin to get from China to Africa.

It was either a result of Zheng He's expedition, or trade and exchange of hands, etc.

Did you guys know that, IIRC, Zheng He's expedition was sparked by the curiosity brought about by the Arab traders, hugging coastal waters past India and on around Siam, up the coast to China an Korea? That contact with these traders caused the Chinese to become curious?

The Chinese sent out Zheng He to reverse-engineer the course, find out what was back there (Saudi Arabia? Africa? India?) Good thing the Chinese later saw little point in all that wasteful spending and abandoned the project. (Any parallel to American space program cut by Obama?)

Don't believe me?

1. Korea has Muslims, brought about by contact centuries ago with the Muslims.

2. Indonesia is the largest Muslim nation in the world. Brought about by contact centuries ago with the Muslims.

3. The Phillippines also has a Muslim population.

Yep, Muslim traders hugged the coastline and made it that far.

Muslim traders also hugged the coasts and brought trade down the east coast of Africa to the Africans in those areas. Likely also gave them the alphabetic script they use as well.

It's possible that the Chinese coin in E. Africa came from the Chinese, tracing back the route of the evil greedy 1% banksters...uh, sorry, too much TV.

Sauron (You get the picture. History is fascinating!)

35 posted on 03/14/2013 1:35:30 PM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: edcoil
China was everywhere except north america.

A statement open to mis-interpretation. China had small trade going on with the west coast of North America, in the late 600's A.D. There are ancient Chinese documents of such trade from that period, describing flora and fauna of what is now Mexico. That's 800 years before Europeans explored.

36 posted on 03/14/2013 2:53:35 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: demshateGod
Wasnt there pots found in California from China?

Indeed. The problem is that there are differing accounts of history, depending on the culture telling it. Truth is often obscured by being overwhelmed by inaccurate accountings. History as recorded and told by Chinese, differs from what is told by westerners. A lot of history is not recorded in written fashion (an example are verbal stories passed down by American Indians). Heck, there are news accounts out now that the Wright Brothers flight was not the first, but took place almost three years after a German-American first accomplished a flight. The Wright Brothers had better publicists. History is rife with inaccuracies.

37 posted on 03/14/2013 3:16:15 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Palter; blam

Could a rusty coin re-write Chinese-African history?
BBC | 18 Oct 2010 | Peter Greste
Posted on 10/18/2010 11:30:24 AM PDT by Palter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2609768/posts


38 posted on 03/14/2013 8:08:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Red Badger

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Red Badger. And for the link here in FReepmail, thanks go out to a player to never to be named later. :')

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


39 posted on 03/14/2013 8:09:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: llevrok
And no, I’m not a “coiner”

I think you just coined a new term :-)

40 posted on 03/14/2013 8:36:06 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
I think you just coined a new term :-)

That makes cents

41 posted on 03/14/2013 9:54:14 PM PDT by llevrok (Keep your arms out. It makes it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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