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To: Larry - Moe and Curly; Lurking Libertarian
“They threw in “natural born” to distinguish presidential-eligible citizens from naturalized citizens, who were not to be eligible.”

If your reasoning is correct, “born Citizen” would have the same effect, right? Why include “natural”?


Yes, it would.

The Constitution only considers two kinds of citizenship for anyone born after its ratification: via naturalization and via birth.

If you're going to content that a little extra flourish somehow creates a whole new class of citizen, then you're going to have to point to the passage in the Constitution where they lay it out clearly, and where they define any other perks/responsibilities of that third kind of citizen. Because if you can't, the contention falls apart.
24 posted on 03/16/2013 6:26:39 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: highball

“...a little extra flourish...”

“To disregard such a deliberate choice of words and their natural meaning, would be a departure from the first principle of constitutional interpretation. “In expounding the Constitution of the United States,” said Chief Justice Taney in Holmes v. Jennison, 14 U.S. 540, 570-1, “every word must have its due force and appropriate meaning; for it is evident from the whole instrument, that, no word was unnecessarily used, or needlessly added. The many discussions which have taken place upon the construction of the Constitution, have proved the correctness of this proposition; and shown the high talent, the caution and the foresight of the illustrious men who framed it. Every word appears to have been weighed with the utmost deliberation and its force and effect to have been fully understood. — Wright v. United States, 302 U.S. 583 (1938).”

A few more words to chew on:

“The Constitution is a written instrument. As such, its meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted, it means now. — South Carolina v. United States, 199 U.S. 437, 448 (1905).”

“The Constitution was written to be understood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary, as distinguished from technical meaning; where the intention is clear, there is no room for construction, and no excuse for interpolation or addition. — Martin v. Hunter’s Lessee, 1 Wheat 304; Gibbons v. Ogden, 9 Wheat 419; Brown v. Maryland, 12 Wheat 419; Craig v. Missouri, 4 Pet 10; Tennessee v. Whitworth, 117 U.S. 139; Lake County v. Rollins, 130 U.S. 662; Hodges v. United States, 203 U.S. 1; Edwards v. Cuba R. Co., 268 U.S. 628; The Pocket Veto Case, 279 U.S. 655; (Justice) Story on the Constitution, 5th ed., Sec 451; Cooley’s Constitutional Limitations, 2nd ed., p. 61, 70.”

The word “natural” was put in there for a reason, otherwise they would have just said “born Citizen”.

There are no “extra little flourish[es]” in the Constitution. A “natural born Citizen” is not just a “Citizen”. There are circumstances surrounding his birth that make him different, but otherwise, he is a citizen.

You said: “The Constitution only considers two kinds of citizenship for anyone born after its ratification: via naturalization and via birth.”

Please point me to the statement in the Constitution where it says that. I seem to have missed it.

Thanks.
L-M&C


25 posted on 03/16/2013 7:05:25 PM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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