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White Smoke at the Vatican!
March 13, 2013 | Vatican

Posted on 03/13/2013 11:09:30 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

White smoke at the Vatican. A new Pope has been selected!


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KEYWORDS: catholic; conclave; habemuspapam; livenewpopethread; livepopethread; petrusromanus; pope; popefrancis; romancatholicism; smoke; vatican; white; whitesmoke
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To: sodpoodle

It’s a happy day indeed!!!


251 posted on 03/13/2013 12:47:46 PM PDT by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: kitkat

There are many out there, you can check amazon.


252 posted on 03/13/2013 12:48:55 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: sodpoodle

1 God 3 Persons = 13

Good numbers yes?


253 posted on 03/13/2013 12:49:43 PM PDT by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Kirchner is a scumbag


254 posted on 03/13/2013 12:49:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: D-fendr

Thank you for posting that. Some very inaccurate information is being spread regarding our new Pope.


255 posted on 03/13/2013 12:50:41 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: onyx

“YES! I hope he’s honoring St Francis of Asissi!”

Possibly as he is the patron saint of Italy, but probably for St Francis Xavier who was one of the first Jesuits.


256 posted on 03/13/2013 12:50:52 PM PDT by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: Lexinom

What’s interesting in doing a search about this man everyone seems to be using the same sentence about him distancing himself from the liberation theology.

As if that is a current PR campaign.

Maybe he did distance himself from it.

I completely understand why a preacher, or minister or priest or cardinal or pope would say the following:

“”We live in the most unequal part of the world, which has grown the most yet reduced misery the least,” Bergoglio said during a gathering of Latin American bishops in 2007. “The unjust distribution of goods persists, creating a situation of social sin that cries out to Heaven and limits the possibilities of a fuller life for so many of our brothers.””

But it still sounds like some kind of Marxist thought.


257 posted on 03/13/2013 12:51:35 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: gov_bean_ counter; onyx

Ditto


258 posted on 03/13/2013 12:52:00 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: griswold3
“The unjust distribution of goods persists, creating a situation of social sin that cries out to Heaven and limits the possibilities of a fuller life for so many of our brothers.”

I personally know of a pries who receives large investment income checks from assets donated to him. He does NOT distribute that money to the poor. He can not be the only one who has had investment income like that donated to him. This is only the tip of the iceberg. However, lightning awaits those who reveal details...

259 posted on 03/13/2013 12:52:03 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: RummyChick
Perhaps their error is due to confusing liberation with Comunione e Liberazione which is an anti-Marxist political organization.
Over the years, Bergoglio became close to the Comunione e Liberazione movement founded by Italian Fr. Luigi Giussani, sometimes speaking at its massive annual gathering in Rimini, Italy. He's also presented Giussani's books at literary fairs in Argentina. This occasionally generated consternation within the Jesuits, since the ciellini once upon a time were seen as the main opposition to Bergoglio's fellow Jesuit in Milan, Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini.

260 posted on 03/13/2013 12:52:05 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: RummyChick
.“The unjust distribution of goods persists,,,

Which certainly is a symptom of socialist centrally-planned economies.

261 posted on 03/13/2013 12:53:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: D-fendr

His choice of the name Francis is very interesting. Of Italian ancestry, perhaps he has had a devotion to St Francis of Assisi, or is he ‘reaching out’ from the Jesuit order to all of the Franciscans who are devoted Catholics in this 21st Century.

Waiting to learn more about this choice...


262 posted on 03/13/2013 12:53:27 PM PDT by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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To: onyx

I suspected I may have missed it.

Just saw the new Pope come out... got chills - on both sides! You can see the emotion in his face, and I like his apparent warmness. He’s got a kind voice as well, imo. Pope Benedict seemed to rub me the wrong way - just in personality, but that might have been because he followed JPII whom I was quite fond of, and perhaps I was biased in that way...

I Have been listening and praying along... wish I knew more Latin! lol

Thanks for the welcome back and everything! I’ve searched and nothing feels quite the same to me. It’s not official, and I’ve yet to make confession and have communion, but I am getting closer, I believe...

About 1 1/2 years ago I felt led to learn how to make rosaries (wire and various types of crystal and glass beads) - even though I wasn’t even attending mass. That was a big sign to me, as I had lost the rosary my grandmother had given to me. And, it has been an incredible blessing to me... The time to contemplate on what I’m making, is very spiritual, and doesn’t really feel like “work”. And, I’ve made what has to be my favorite rosary ever - for myself, and it’s helped me a great deal.

Anyway, enough about me and this long road I’m on... I’m about to get really sappy about how much I’m grateful for despite the hardships in life I face at the moment! *blush*

Hooray for the new Pope, and may God Bless him with plenty of strength and wisdom! It’s a difficult time to be Catholic these days...


263 posted on 03/13/2013 12:53:49 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: RummyChick
I completely understand why a preacher, or minister or priest or cardinal or pope would say the following..

I do to. I also understand why some would wish to paint the pope as a marxist.

264 posted on 03/13/2013 12:53:54 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: RummyChick

The church has a different calling than government. Problem arises when either confuses itself with the other.


265 posted on 03/13/2013 12:53:59 PM PDT by CityCenter (No matter how good your PR is, you can't outsmart the truth.)
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To: RummyChick
“We live in the most unequal part of the world, which has grown the most yet reduced misery the least,” Bergoglio said during a gathering of Latin American bishops in 2007. “The unjust distribution of goods persists, creating a situation of social sin that cries out to Heaven and limits the possibilities of a fuller life for so many of our brothers.”

"I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot." - Big Brother O

266 posted on 03/13/2013 12:54:53 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: maica

Yes, the first thought would be - ah St. Francis of Assisi... But maybe not. Be interested to hear more.


267 posted on 03/13/2013 12:55:25 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: diamond6

Yes, I was reading somewhere recently that he was the alternate candidate in 2005.


268 posted on 03/13/2013 12:57:18 PM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS

He withdrew from consideration, I believe.


269 posted on 03/13/2013 1:00:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Reminds me of the Cardinal during King Henry VIII reign.

At least you can say that the current Pope didn’t amass great fortune or get caught up in the wealthy trappings of the Church.


270 posted on 03/13/2013 1:00:29 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: D-fendr

Thank you for posting!!!


271 posted on 03/13/2013 1:01:05 PM PDT by BlueAngel
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To: kitkat

Thank you. :)

Yes, the Church does have the Latin/English missals, but I seem to get lost too easily with how quickly the Latin goes. lol

There are several other parishes in town that I have yet to visit that have the English masses, but the Oratory is one I can walk to whenever I fell like I want to attend without worrying about transportation.

Thanks for the advice about the bookstore though. I will definitely look into it.


272 posted on 03/13/2013 1:03:18 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

He may be a secular priest (not in an order), they have to pay for their own retirement. Without more information your point is, um, pointless.


273 posted on 03/13/2013 1:03:43 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: D-fendr

Thank you, D-fendr. I appreciate that.


274 posted on 03/13/2013 1:03:56 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: trisham

There were scandals going on at the time concerning the kidnapping of some priests.

Someone filed a lawsuit against him just days before the conclave.


275 posted on 03/13/2013 1:04:01 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

FYI, the Guardian is an anti-Catholic rag.


276 posted on 03/13/2013 1:06:03 PM PDT by ELS
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To: LibertyRocks

Pope Benedict XVI is my all time favorite and most beloved, even though I truly and totally loved John Paul II. We have most, if not all of B-16’s books. I know he has to be the greatest theologian to ever be our Holy Father and one of the most humble too, right along with John Paul II.

I think it’s wonderful you made Rosaries. I’ve never entertained the thought but you’ve given me a good idea. I have Rosaries blessed by JPII and B16.

Our new Pope needs our prayers and like you witnessed, I also saw his humility and warmth. I’m hopeful he will have widespread support and the strength to meet the challenges of the secular press!

God bless and keep you.

God bless Pope Francis and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI!


277 posted on 03/13/2013 1:08:39 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: ELS

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/news/detail/articolo/america-del-sud-south-america-america-del-sur-10811/

“Looking beyond the common description of him as a cardinal who tends to the ecclesiastical left, in reality Bergoglio is a cardinal who has always had in his DNA the defense of the true principles of the Church, that orthodoxy that the so-called conservative Church believes should never be up for discussion. In that South American cradle of liberation theology and, often, of worldly interpretations of Catholic doctrine, Bergoglio has long been launching his offensive against more or less secular governments when it comes to subjects intimately involved with life and the family. This offensive has its origins, in fact, in the idea that the continent cannot forget its Christian roots. In 2009, Bergoglio took to heart the judgment of Judge Gabriela Seijas, who on the 13th of November ordered the civil registrar to marry two men. Cardinal Bergoglio called the bishops together and issued a joint communication which called this act “absolutely illegal.” Not only this, but the cardinal said that the government “has seriously failed in its duty” by not opposing the decision.


278 posted on 03/13/2013 1:08:50 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

He’s a very humble man. I’m glad that he accepted this time around.


279 posted on 03/13/2013 1:09:38 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Reportedly, he got 26 votes on the ballot when Ratzinger was elected.


280 posted on 03/13/2013 1:10:06 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: lightman

Thank you for posting that. As a child in Catholic school, we sang that and we chanted all of the replies to the Latin Mass each day before school began. I had forgotten all of the words but had the melody in my heart.


281 posted on 03/13/2013 1:11:45 PM PDT by potlatch (~be content with small victories and simple pleasures~)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Oh, the tears, the tears. What a brilliant selection for our new pope. Stunningly humble, prayerful, and peaceful. You could have heard a pin drop when he asked for prayer. And sooooo many young people in attendance. Just a beautiful picture, beautiful, beautiful. It's wonderful to be Catholic. Today and everyday. Thank you, Jesus! Thank you, Mary! Thank you, saints on high!

God bless you Pope Francis. We love you...
282 posted on 03/13/2013 1:11:58 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: onyx

I think that it’s worked out very nicely.


283 posted on 03/13/2013 1:14:09 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: potlatch
Here's one for nostalgia's sake.

Pater noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen.

284 posted on 03/13/2013 1:15:39 PM PDT by Publius
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To: onyx

Definitely no offense intended! I haven’t read any of his writings, although I’ve been reading back through one of JPII’s books right now. I will definitely have to seek some of B16’s books, and give them a read. I admit that I didn’t have the exposure to him that I had to JPII - and that’s my own fault, and no doubt influenced by our horrid media as well...

I thank you for sharing with me your opinion, onyx - I value it greatly.

God Bless you, as well.

And I definitely still agree...
God Bless Pope Francis I, and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI!


285 posted on 03/13/2013 1:16:19 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Batman11

I agree with you, but I’m “hoping” because he lives his life more like a Franciscan: small apartment, instead of the bishop’s residence and cooks his own meals.

:)


286 posted on 03/13/2013 1:19:47 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: ntnychik

We have a new Pope, my dear friend ntnychik. Pope Francis. I know you will share our love for him.


287 posted on 03/13/2013 1:21:09 PM PDT by potlatch (~be content with small victories and simple pleasures~)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Here is what Fr. John Neuhaus had to say about Card. Bergoglio before the last conclave: “Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Buenos Aires is high on every list. Known as an incisive thinker and intensely holy man living an austere life, it is held against him that he is a Jesuit, although he has suffered the slings and arrows of fellow Jesuits of a more “progressive” bent. No member of a religious order has been elected pope since 1831.”


288 posted on 03/13/2013 1:21:38 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: LibertyRocks

*fell should obviously be feel in the post I’m responding to, but perhaps that’s a freudian slip, or another little “sign”... lol


289 posted on 03/13/2013 1:23:40 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Publius

Thank you. I still have my old Latin Mass Missal and have a love for the Latin Mass.


290 posted on 03/13/2013 1:25:24 PM PDT by potlatch (~be content with small victories and simple pleasures~)
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To: LibertyRocks

Ad majorem Dei Gloriam. The intellect of a Jesuit and the compassion of a Franciscan. (A conflation of Saints Francis of Assisi and Francis Xavier) The first pope from the Americas. An Argentinian of Italian descent and a chemist by training! Splendid!!!

God bless Pope Francis I


291 posted on 03/13/2013 1:26:32 PM PDT by conservativehistorian (civilizational suicide continues)
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To: LibertyRocks

Oh, NO offense take at all! Benedict’s trilogy on Jesus is beyond wonderful. Pope John Paul II was unmatched in his own way. He was a saint, in fact, he was beatified on 1 May 2011 under the Papacy of Pope Benedict XVI. (Most fitting on Commie Day = take that!..lol.)

We have a most blessed and wonderful Church!

JOY to ALL!


292 posted on 03/13/2013 1:26:38 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: RummyChick

Unequal distribution could also be speaking to the virtue of Charity. That many people are doing very well now, but the poor are still being forgotten by those who are tasked to give willingly... Not that the government should be the one doing the distributing, mind you.

I keep in mind that translation - I assume he was either speaking in Spanish, or Latin - can lead to the translator picking a word that isn’t necessarily the intent the speaker wished to convey.


293 posted on 03/13/2013 1:29:35 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: trisham

Yes indeed.

His election goes to show all just how wrong the secular media almost always are....

He’s not young, December 17, 1936.

God wanted a Pope from Latin American but not a young one.


294 posted on 03/13/2013 1:29:59 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: diamond6

Aha! I see what you were referring to now... Excellent observation. :)


295 posted on 03/13/2013 1:30:07 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: RummyChick
Care for the poor and downtrodden is rightfully the domain of the church, not the state. "Widows and orphans", etc., and James' admonition not to treat the man in the fine clothes better than the poor brother.

These things are completely biblical.

We run into trouble when we try to use Caesar as an equalization agent.

I notice conservatives do tend to become uncomfortable talking about the poor with respect to Scripture just as liberal do when confronted with abortion. As a Christian, though, I must keep the Word of God, and not political ideology, as my primary beacon even if that upsets some.

296 posted on 03/13/2013 1:31:39 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: pbear8

I saw your response about the missals, and wanted to say thank you... I will definitely check out amazon as well. :)


297 posted on 03/13/2013 1:33:20 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: D-fendr
Now if Rome is destroyed during his papacy and there is not another pope... I’ll give the prediction some respect.

Would that come before or after everyone is forced to take a mark in their hands or forehead to be able to buy or sell?

Been to any of the large banks recently? BofA is now running interference on their own small-time clients/customers who wish to approach a bank teller. They want to run the bank issued card through a scanner first to determine if one is paying the $12 monthly fee, or the lesser few which allows only ATM and online banking.

They've been trying to do away with bank tellers for more than 20 years now.

When it's decided that folding money itself will be done away with, and they are working on that ---- that's when we will all have real problems. It's coming...can't you feel it?

Somehow I doubt that sort of evil-doing will have it's center in the Vatican, pope-after this last here elected (or even later). I can hardly see the papacy involved with it much at all, at least not as primary drivers of it. It's not like interests there and those of central bankers are one-and-the-same. Quite the opposite?

If those whom wish to control all monetary interest can't get the Vatican to roll over and play along...then if they couldn't simply marginalize them (along with Christianity and individual Christians in a wider sense) then it's concievable they would try to flatten the place (along with Christianity and individuals in the wider sense).

Yet it would be more useful for those whom seek to ultimately control everyone to simply corrupt what there is, in effort to turn what energies can be found in locations such as the Latin church and others, against the need of people for freedom, and towards the interests of those of whom with vieled hands work to enslave the world with monetary debts...so they can then write new rules, etc. That many or most of the "workers" are quite blind to the overall result which is being inevitably approached, is quite beside the point...but a part of the overall methodology. Useful idiots. Was has 'dem.

Without being able to buy fuel, many might find themselves needing turn Amish in a hurry? Or team individuals up like horses to plow the land, if one has any land, and any seed. Then again doing that sort of thing takes perseverance which relies upon some faith which itself relies upon hope...take those things away from man, and he becomes an animal that must either be herded around, or deservedly shot for making trouble for all the rest.

I'm thinking I'd prefer the easier way out, and simply not live to see the day. What worries me is that I will live to see it, but as a decrepit old man not fit to plow.

298 posted on 03/13/2013 1:33:33 PM PDT by BlueDragon (If you want vision open your eyes and see you can carry the light with you wherever you go)
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To: lightman

Love LOVE that Hymn!!


299 posted on 03/13/2013 1:37:45 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

eggactly.
The Church has its own ‘redistribution’ issues, too much ‘wealth’ at the top?


300 posted on 03/13/2013 1:48:04 PM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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