Skip to comments.Bjorn Lomborg: Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret: Charging means heavy carbon-dioxide emissions
Posted on 03/11/2013 6:47:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Electric cars are promoted as the chic harbinger of an environmentally benign future. Ads assure us of "zero emissions," and President Obama has promised a million on the road by 2015. With sales for 2012 coming in at about 50,000, that million-car figure is a pipe dream. Consumers remain wary of the cars' limited range, higher price and the logistics of battery-charging. But for those who do own an electric car, at least there is the consolation that it's truly green, right? Not really.
For proponents such as the actor and activist Leonardo DiCaprio, the main argument is that their electric carswhether it's a $100,000 Fisker Karma (Mr. DiCaprio's ride) or a $28,000 Nissan Leafdon't contribute to global warming. And, sure, electric cars don't emit carbon-dioxide on the road. But the energy used for their manufacture and continual battery charges certainly doesfar more than most people realize.
A 2012 comprehensive life-cycle analysis in Journal of Industrial Ecology shows that almost half the lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery. The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds.
While electric-car owners may cruise around feeling virtuous, they still recharge using electricity overwhelmingly produced with fossil fuels. Thus, the life-cycle analysis shows that for every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about six ounces of carbon-dioxide. This is still a lot better than a similar-size conventional car, which emits about 12 ounces per mile.
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When you see someone with a hybrid or electric car you should say, “Nice ride! Does she run on coal or nuclear?”
Beyond the WSJ Mr. Lomborg’s views will never be published by the Obama media.
About Bjorn Lomborg
Dr. Bjorn Lomborg researches the smartest ways to improve the environment and the world. He is one of TIME Magazine’s 100 most influential people in the world, one of the 75 most influential people of the 21st century according to Esquire magazine, and one of the 50 people who could save the planet according to the UK Guardian. Lomborg has repeatedly been named one of Foreign Policy’s Top 100 Global Thinkers.
they have another filthy secret and that was told to me by my kid’s shop teacher o parent’s night:
the batteries are so powerful they can electrocute a mechanic, therefore the kids were not going to be working on them, but would work on the shop teacher’s Porsche.
“... Ah, I see, you’ve got one of those new coal cars!”
I’ve tried saying it. It produces dumbfounded looks of confusion.
And, he’s still a “greenie”. But at least he tells the truth (as he sees it) with usually a lot of research done to support his position. Thinkin’ he isn’t one of the eco-wackos favorite people anymore. Or maybe hasn’t been for quite a while because he speaks the truth. Of course it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure the charging energy for your prius gotta come from someplace. Or your chevy volt or whatever hybrid you choose. Me? Filled the Ram up yesterday and figured the mileage. 15mpg of plant lovin’ emissions to help feed my plant friends so they can make us some more oxygen. Hey, just doin’ my part to counter algores noxious spewage.
My diesel has a range of 800 miles at a steady 70mph and takes about 5 minutes to fully "recharge" at any one of about 50,000 "charging stations" in the country.And it cost much,*much* less than $80K.
We’ve also heard some nightmare stories this winter. Batteries don’t like cold.
Liberalism isn’t about reality,
it’s about how it makes the individual liberal feel about himself.
Well, if its a nuke, then it really IS green energy!
Break light. LOL
Hybrids run on gasoline. Good, thought-provoking question about electrics though.
Did the promoter call it “Break” Light on the second illustration?
If you are thinking electric car, think Golf Cart. Works great in Florida (warm and flat), locally.
The greatest success of the AlGoreian global warming idiots is the successful re-definition of carbon dioxide (a gas essential to life on Earth) as a “pollutant.”
It was a “secret” only to those with liberal arts degrees.
For those of us who are engineers, it was apparent from the first doodle on a napkin.
Life is a never-ending tragedy for those who refuse to use mathematics to evaluate choices in life.
Break light? Is that the “smoke break” or “lunch break” light?
I know several volunteer firefighters. They had to go through special training to deal with accidents involving hybrids and electrics.
Ask first responders how they treat battery powered cars in crashes. We have a firefighter in our congregation and they hate electric cars when involved in crashes.
Hybrids run on gasoline meaning oil. They burn gasoline or diesel to charge their batteries. Few or none have a plug-in option
Very true.My one cold weather car story took place in central Quebec in January 2011.Car sat out in -25F cold for 12 hours...8AM next morning...-31F...car started like a champ.It was a diesel with no battery charger,no block warmer...just a tankful of diesel bought at a local station. An electric car at those temps? No thank you!
LOL Reality bites... How many years do those car batteries last? The energy going into building the car is wasted after a few years because 'green' batteries are too expensive to replace at a certain point.
Liberal elites have created the worst of the worst - a 'disposable car'...
Their prime selling point has always been the feelings of moral superiority electric cars induce in the owners.
These facts have always been known by those of us in the technical community. It is fascinating (and disheartening) to watch the technically illiterate (e.g., journalists, most politicians, and bottom-dwelling Hollywood types) pontificate on electric cars.
Oh well, guess folks will always listen to someone like Leonardo De-Dumbo vs someone who actually has demonstrated measurable IQ.
The South Park guys hit the nail on the head with that one...
Instead of “smog”, they had a cloud of “smug” hanging over their town.
Couldn't possibly be "smoke break" - only Dear Leader will be allowed smoke breaks.
I got a GREAT deal on a 2 year Flease, er, I mean lease of a Nissan Leaf! Paying a few bucks more than I was in gas, and I’m out of it in 2 years. Plus I can charge it at work. If its a drive-around-town car you are looking for, its not bad. I really enjoy driving it....Has some great pep to it, but it has to be used right, ie not expecting to drive it 80+ miles round trip in a day, or going 60+ miles on the freeway....
I’m definitely not “green” and I agree that these cars are probably worse for the environment, but I do enjoy driving it!
Carbon Dioxide? You mean “Plant Food?”
As for electric cars, I would be interested in one, doesn't need to have great range, I have another car for that. It doesnt have to be the equivalent of a gasoline powered vehicle. The bottom line is, it just doesnt make any economic sense (too expensive), nor, as Lomborg points out, environmental sense.
My big question has always been about the batteries, nasty chemicals and metals in those. Manufacturing and disposing of them, in very large scales, will be a nightmare.
Thats the problem with most liberals, they dont think things very deeply, one, maybe two layers at most.
I never believed the crap about “zero emissions.”
They never had the decency to say that the total pollution caused by an electric car is unacceptable.
Yeah, the problem with pointing and laughing at them on this is that you’re inherently accepting the premise that CO2 is a pollutant.
More natural gas these days
My buddy’s daughter has a Tesla. Nearest dealer is 150 miles away in Chicago so they truck it to your door.
It’s a beautiful car but very expensive as you say.
Rippin’ fast on accel, 0-60 in 4 secs, dusted off his Corvette for as long as we were brave (stupid?) enough to race.
She gets free “juice” at work so that might help her financials a bit. But she’s already squabbling with the Volt owners over who gets the plug-in every day LOL.
I’m curious as to how often that “break” light gets used??? LOL.
I like it! Looks about right for all those new communities we can form once the higher ed bubble bursts and we’ve got all those campuses to repurpose.
Wonder what the tonage of waste is produced per year by nuclear power plants.
The planet doesn't need saving. Never has, never will. (I know, the Guardian...)
Is it just me, or do liberals solutions to problems seem to increase the problem tenfold in our lives?
If you look at life, from a spiritual point of view, it would be guarenteed that evil, or the hatred and distrespect for human life, will “cure” problems in the opposite.
Liberals embody the spirit of evil. What is right is wrong and what if evil if good. Every problem and solution identified by liberals is garenteed to feed liberalsism’s god of evil and deny the real God’s creation.
In liberalism’s equation, the question is - how many innocent human lives can we take out with this problem and solution - “change”?
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