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Bjorn Lomborg: Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret: Charging means heavy carbon-dioxide emissions
Wall Street Journal ^ | 03/11/2013 | Bjorn Lomborg

Posted on 03/11/2013 6:47:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Electric cars are promoted as the chic harbinger of an environmentally benign future. Ads assure us of "zero emissions," and President Obama has promised a million on the road by 2015. With sales for 2012 coming in at about 50,000, that million-car figure is a pipe dream. Consumers remain wary of the cars' limited range, higher price and the logistics of battery-charging. But for those who do own an electric car, at least there is the consolation that it's truly green, right? Not really.

For proponents such as the actor and activist Leonardo DiCaprio, the main argument is that their electric cars—whether it's a $100,000 Fisker Karma (Mr. DiCaprio's ride) or a $28,000 Nissan Leaf—don't contribute to global warming. And, sure, electric cars don't emit carbon-dioxide on the road. But the energy used for their manufacture and continual battery charges certainly does—far more than most people realize.

A 2012 comprehensive life-cycle analysis in Journal of Industrial Ecology shows that almost half the lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery. The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds.

While electric-car owners may cruise around feeling virtuous, they still recharge using electricity overwhelmingly produced with fossil fuels. Thus, the life-cycle analysis shows that for every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about six ounces of carbon-dioxide. This is still a lot better than a similar-size conventional car, which emits about 12 ounces per mile.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carbonemissions; electriccars; environmentalism; greencars; greenenergy
TAKE NOTE: The production of the electric car has already resulted in sizeable emissions—the equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle.
1 posted on 03/11/2013 6:47:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

When you see someone with a hybrid or electric car you should say, “Nice ride! Does she run on coal or nuclear?”


2 posted on 03/11/2013 6:51:04 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: SeekAndFind

Beyond the WSJ Mr. Lomborg’s views will never be published by the Obama media.

About Bjorn Lomborg

Dr. Bjorn Lomborg researches the smartest ways to improve the environment and the world. He is one of TIME Magazine’s 100 most influential people in the world, one of the 75 most influential people of the 21st century according to Esquire magazine, and one of the 50 people who could save the planet according to the UK Guardian. Lomborg has repeatedly been named one of Foreign Policy’s Top 100 Global Thinkers.

http://www.lomborg.com/


3 posted on 03/11/2013 6:52:20 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: SeekAndFind

they have another filthy secret and that was told to me by my kid’s shop teacher o parent’s night:

the batteries are so powerful they can electrocute a mechanic, therefore the kids were not going to be working on them, but would work on the shop teacher’s Porsche.


4 posted on 03/11/2013 6:54:29 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeekAndFind
A huge percentage (I think I've read 40% plus) of this nation's electricity is generated by coal fired plants.Osama Obama has openly promised to bankrupt the coal industry and his EPA is,I've read,well on its way to keeping that promise.So,we'll either be charging those cars with relative “dirty” power or we won't have enough power to charge them...thanks to all the power plants that will be shut down.
5 posted on 03/11/2013 6:56:59 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: Gay State Conservative

6 posted on 03/11/2013 7:01:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“... Ah, I see, you’ve got one of those new coal cars!”

I’ve tried saying it. It produces dumbfounded looks of confusion.


7 posted on 03/11/2013 7:03:36 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: KeyLargo

And, he’s still a “greenie”. But at least he tells the truth (as he sees it) with usually a lot of research done to support his position. Thinkin’ he isn’t one of the eco-wackos favorite people anymore. Or maybe hasn’t been for quite a while because he speaks the truth. Of course it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure the charging energy for your prius gotta come from someplace. Or your chevy volt or whatever hybrid you choose. Me? Filled the Ram up yesterday and figured the mileage. 15mpg of plant lovin’ emissions to help feed my plant friends so they can make us some more oxygen. Hey, just doin’ my part to counter algores noxious spewage.


8 posted on 03/11/2013 7:06:10 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: SeekAndFind
I went to a Telsa "dealer" (in a mall,no less) the other day and talked to the salesman.More than $80K for a car that,under *ideal* conditions,can go 300 miles between charges.Ideal meaning no traffic...55mph...no a/c...no heat...no hills.And a full charge using 110v takes 22 hours...using 220v it takes 9 hours.

My diesel has a range of 800 miles at a steady 70mph and takes about 5 minutes to fully "recharge" at any one of about 50,000 "charging stations" in the country.And it cost much,*much* less than $80K.

9 posted on 03/11/2013 7:06:18 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: Gay State Conservative

We’ve also heard some nightmare stories this winter. Batteries don’t like cold.


10 posted on 03/11/2013 7:06:38 AM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: Gay State Conservative
No worries, THIS is the car Obama will have us all driving in a few years:




11 posted on 03/11/2013 7:13:21 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Liberalism isn’t about reality,
it’s about how it makes the individual liberal feel about himself.


12 posted on 03/11/2013 7:15:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Well, if its a nuke, then it really IS green energy!


13 posted on 03/11/2013 7:16:27 AM PDT by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: MrB

Good summary


14 posted on 03/11/2013 7:22:53 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Little Ray

15 posted on 03/11/2013 7:24:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: COBOL2Java

Break light. LOL


16 posted on 03/11/2013 7:24:29 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Hybrids run on gasoline. Good, thought-provoking question about electrics though.


17 posted on 03/11/2013 7:27:12 AM PDT by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: COBOL2Java

Did the promoter call it “Break” Light on the second illustration?

Freud lives.

If you are thinking electric car, think Golf Cart. Works great in Florida (warm and flat), locally.


18 posted on 03/11/2013 7:27:35 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: SeekAndFind

The greatest success of the AlGoreian global warming idiots is the successful re-definition of carbon dioxide (a gas essential to life on Earth) as a “pollutant.”


19 posted on 03/11/2013 7:30:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: SeekAndFind

It was a “secret” only to those with liberal arts degrees.

For those of us who are engineers, it was apparent from the first doodle on a napkin.

Duh.

Life is a never-ending tragedy for those who refuse to use mathematics to evaluate choices in life.


20 posted on 03/11/2013 7:30:39 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: COBOL2Java

Break light? Is that the “smoke break” or “lunch break” light?


21 posted on 03/11/2013 7:32:44 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dims are stupid, period. End of conversation.)
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To: yldstrk

I know several volunteer firefighters. They had to go through special training to deal with accidents involving hybrids and electrics.


22 posted on 03/11/2013 7:34:09 AM PDT by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: yldstrk
the batteries are so powerful they can electrocute a mechanic,

Ask first responders how they treat battery powered cars in crashes. We have a firefighter in our congregation and they hate electric cars when involved in crashes.

23 posted on 03/11/2013 7:34:39 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dims are stupid, period. End of conversation.)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
When you see someone with a hybrid or electric car you should say, “Nice ride! Does she run on coal or nuclear?”

Hybrids run on gasoline meaning oil. They burn gasoline or diesel to charge their batteries. Few or none have a plug-in option

24 posted on 03/11/2013 7:37:20 AM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: chiller
We’ve also heard some nightmare stories this winter. Batteries don’t like cold.

Very true.My one cold weather car story took place in central Quebec in January 2011.Car sat out in -25F cold for 12 hours...8AM next morning...-31F...car started like a champ.It was a diesel with no battery charger,no block warmer...just a tankful of diesel bought at a local station. An electric car at those temps? No thank you!

25 posted on 03/11/2013 7:40:14 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: SeekAndFind
The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds.

LOL Reality bites... How many years do those car batteries last? The energy going into building the car is wasted after a few years because 'green' batteries are too expensive to replace at a certain point.

Liberal elites have created the worst of the worst - a 'disposable car'...

26 posted on 03/11/2013 7:41:53 AM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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To: MrB

Their prime selling point has always been the feelings of moral superiority electric cars induce in the owners.


27 posted on 03/11/2013 7:41:57 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: SeekAndFind

These facts have always been known by those of us in the technical community. It is fascinating (and disheartening) to watch the technically illiterate (e.g., journalists, most politicians, and bottom-dwelling Hollywood types) pontificate on electric cars.

Oh well, guess folks will always listen to someone like Leonardo De-Dumbo vs someone who actually has demonstrated measurable IQ.


28 posted on 03/11/2013 7:42:49 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Menehune56

The South Park guys hit the nail on the head with that one...

Instead of “smog”, they had a cloud of “smug” hanging over their town.


29 posted on 03/11/2013 7:44:41 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Break light? Is that the “smoke break” or “lunch break” light?

Couldn't possibly be "smoke break" - only Dear Leader will be allowed smoke breaks.

30 posted on 03/11/2013 7:50:16 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: SeekAndFind

I got a GREAT deal on a 2 year Flease, er, I mean lease of a Nissan Leaf! Paying a few bucks more than I was in gas, and I’m out of it in 2 years. Plus I can charge it at work. If its a drive-around-town car you are looking for, its not bad. I really enjoy driving it....Has some great pep to it, but it has to be used right, ie not expecting to drive it 80+ miles round trip in a day, or going 60+ miles on the freeway....
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I’m definitely not “green” and I agree that these cars are probably worse for the environment, but I do enjoy driving it!


31 posted on 03/11/2013 8:20:35 AM PDT by BallparkBoys (RESIST WE MUCH! ....We must, and we will much, about that, be committed!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Carbon Dioxide? You mean “Plant Food?”


32 posted on 03/11/2013 8:20:37 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Lomborg is an honest environmentalist, I give him huge credit for that.

As for electric cars, I would be interested in one, doesn't need to have great range, I have another car for that. It doesnt have to be the equivalent of a gasoline powered vehicle. The bottom line is, it just doesnt make any economic sense (too expensive), nor, as Lomborg points out, environmental sense.

My big question has always been about the batteries, nasty chemicals and metals in those. Manufacturing and disposing of them, in very large scales, will be a nightmare.

Thats the problem with most liberals, they dont think things very deeply, one, maybe two layers at most.

33 posted on 03/11/2013 8:23:56 AM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I never believed the crap about “zero emissions.”
They never had the decency to say that the total pollution caused by an electric car is unacceptable.


34 posted on 03/11/2013 8:24:20 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Yeah, the problem with pointing and laughing at them on this is that you’re inherently accepting the premise that CO2 is a pollutant.


35 posted on 03/11/2013 8:25:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

More natural gas these days


36 posted on 03/11/2013 8:27:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

My buddy’s daughter has a Tesla. Nearest dealer is 150 miles away in Chicago so they truck it to your door.

It’s a beautiful car but very expensive as you say.
Rippin’ fast on accel, 0-60 in 4 secs, dusted off his Corvette for as long as we were brave (stupid?) enough to race.

She gets free “juice” at work so that might help her financials a bit. But she’s already squabbling with the Volt owners over who gets the plug-in every day LOL.


37 posted on 03/11/2013 8:30:25 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: COBOL2Java

I’m curious as to how often that “break” light gets used??? LOL.


38 posted on 03/11/2013 8:45:05 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: COBOL2Java

I like it! Looks about right for all those new communities we can form once the higher ed bubble bursts and we’ve got all those campuses to repurpose.


39 posted on 03/11/2013 8:53:33 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

Wonder what the tonage of waste is produced per year by nuclear power plants.


40 posted on 03/11/2013 8:58:23 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SoldierDad

Funny observation...


41 posted on 03/11/2013 9:01:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: KeyLargo
one of the 50 people who could save the planet according to the UK Guardian.

The planet doesn't need saving. Never has, never will. (I know, the Guardian...)

42 posted on 03/11/2013 9:38:03 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Is it just me, or do liberals solutions to problems seem to increase the problem tenfold in our lives?

If you look at life, from a spiritual point of view, it would be guarenteed that evil, or the hatred and distrespect for human life, will “cure” problems in the opposite.

Liberals embody the spirit of evil. What is right is wrong and what if evil if good. Every problem and solution identified by liberals is garenteed to feed liberalsism’s god of evil and deny the real God’s creation.


43 posted on 03/11/2013 2:16:09 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Betis70

In liberalism’s equation, the question is - how many innocent human lives can we take out with this problem and solution - “change”?


44 posted on 03/11/2013 2:25:05 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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