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Paul fires back: Sens. McCain, Graham think 'whole world is a battlefield'
The Hill ^ | March 7, 2013 | Daniel Strauss

Posted on 03/07/2013 12:51:49 PM PST by jazusamo

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) blasted fellow GOP Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Thursday, saying the two “think the whole world is a battlefield.”

Paul criticized the hawkish senators for thinking the laws of war should take precedence over the Bill of Rights. The two had criticized Paul’s statements about drone policy during the Kentucky Republican’s 13-hour filibuster on Thursday.

“They think the whole world is a battlefield including America and that the laws of war should apply,” Paul said in an interview on Fox News about McCain and Graham, who had described Paul’s comments about drones as “ridiculous.”

“The laws of war don't involve due process so when they ask you for an attorney you tell them to shut up. That's not my understanding of the way America works,” Paul told Fox. “I don't think the laws of war apply to America, I think the Bill of Rights do and I think it's a disservice to our soldiers that our senators up there arguing that the Bill of Rights aren't important.

Paul said whether drones can be used against U.S. citizens on U.S. soil is a “very serious question” and was at the root of Wednesday’s filibuster, which delayed a final confirmation vote on John Brennan, President Obama’s nominee to lead the CIA.

“This was a very serious question. It was a question that took a month and a half to get an answer to and I so I would argue and I think a lot of the public would agree with me, both on the right and the left, that what we ask was a very serious question and it's a question that we finally got an answer to,” Paul said.

Attorney General Eric Holder on Thursday responded to Paul in a letter that said the U.S. does not have the authority to conduct a drone attack against a U.S. citizen on American soil.

“Hooray, for 13 hours yesterday we asked them that question. And so there is a result and a victory,” Paul said after the letter was read to him during the Fox interview. “Under duress and under public humiliation the White House will respond and do the right thing.”

The answer just took a filibuster that lasted almost half a day, Paul added.

“So now, after 13 hours of filibuster, we're proud to announce that the president is not going to kill unarmed Americans on American soil,” Paul continued. “My next question is why did it take so long, why is it so hard and why would a president so jealously guard power that they were afraid to say this but I am glad and I think that the answer does answer my question.”


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McCain and Graham have to go, they're both kissing Obama's behind.
1 posted on 03/07/2013 12:51:52 PM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Graham and McCain are getting trashed on twitter and facebook. Demolished!


2 posted on 03/07/2013 12:55:07 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: jazusamo
Attorney General Eric Holder on Thursday responded to Paul in a letter that said the U.S. does not have the authority to conduct a drone attack against a U.S. citizen on American soil

They'll just have to keep killing U.S. citizens on American soil by less spectacularly visible methods.

3 posted on 03/07/2013 12:55:46 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: jazusamo
According to Pat Benatar LOVE is a battlefield. ;)
4 posted on 03/07/2013 12:56:04 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: jazusamo
“They think the whole world is a battlefield including America and that the laws of war should apply,”

Well, Paul, when the second Civil War begins, the whole of America WILL be a battlefield, and the laws of war WILL Apply. Becareful how you word your statements. The problem isn't one of the entire world being a battlefield, but one where this Pres__ent believes he can order the death of Americans on his word alone.

5 posted on 03/07/2013 12:57:11 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: jazusamo
“They think the whole world is a battlefield including America and that the laws of war should apply,”

He's absolutely correct and I'll even go further and say that America and the world would be better off with both of them retired. They've never seen a war they didn't like and we need some Reaganesque restraint when it comes to war.
6 posted on 03/07/2013 12:57:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: jazusamo
“So now, after 13 hours of filibuster, we're proud to announce that the president is not going to kill unarmed Americans on American soil,” Paul continued. “My next question is why did it take so long, why is it so hard and why would a president so jealously guard power that they were afraid to say this but I am glad and I think that the answer does answer my question.”

It takes time to draw up the (classified, natch.) E.O. to form the office of dissident elimination and pick out another czar...

Of course Obama won't do it. One of his pet underlings will.

7 posted on 03/07/2013 1:00:18 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: isthisnickcool

Good!


8 posted on 03/07/2013 1:00:18 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Pan_Yan

Yeah - I would have widened out the subject. They did talk about it during the fillibuster, but it needs to be set in writing. Although it probably doesn’t matter. Some piece of paper isn’t going to stop them. Heck - the Constitution doesn’t stop them.


9 posted on 03/07/2013 1:01:01 PM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: cripplecreek

...Globalist world view. We are all suspects, that need to be monitored


10 posted on 03/07/2013 1:02:33 PM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk

One great thing about the old style filibuster is the fact that it wasn’t tied to one tiny part of one issue like standard floor debate.

Paul spoke primarily about the ability to kill at will. The senator from Wyoming talked about the privacy issues at length. Ted Cruz spoke a lot about states rights vs federal rights.


11 posted on 03/07/2013 1:07:48 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: jazusamo

Graham and McCain both suffer from the same liberal blindspot of the assumption of benevolence of government officials.


12 posted on 03/07/2013 1:09:08 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: jazusamo
Winners: Paul, Cruz, Rubio, TEA Party

Losers: MeCain, Graham, Rove, RINOS

13 posted on 03/07/2013 1:10:56 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Pan_Yan
Holder actually said something quite different from what the article says. Here's what Holder's letter to Paul actually said:

"It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: 'Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?' The answer to that question is no." (Bolding added.)

The caveat "not engaged in combat" is a loophole big enough to fly a formation of drones through.
14 posted on 03/07/2013 1:11:10 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: jazusamo

The Great War for the Heart and Soul of the GOP has begun!


15 posted on 03/07/2013 1:12:41 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek

I am heartened to see the perpetual-war-everywhere mindset starting to die out on Free Republic.


16 posted on 03/07/2013 1:15:25 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: jazusamo
While the Old Bulls Went Out to Dinner, the New Kids in Town Threw a Filibuster Party

-Rush Limbaugh-

17 posted on 03/07/2013 1:16:02 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: jazusamo

There was just nothing wrong with what Rand Paul did it’s offensive that McCain is trying to score points with some nonexistent constituency at the expense of another senator. Why even do this? McCain’s ego is preposterous. Does he think the citizens of Kentucky sent him to the senate?


18 posted on 03/07/2013 1:16:13 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: jazusamo

I have not been a big follower of the Senate on Cspan recently. I’ve been watching it today and the Dems make me ill. Global warming, etc.

We would be much better if if they all left Washington and went home.


19 posted on 03/07/2013 1:20:09 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: Notary Sojac

I’m not anti war by any means but I see no reason to spend decades at war and no reason at all to be involved in other nations internal conflicts.

War is an expensive business.


20 posted on 03/07/2013 1:20:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TexasCajun

Great graphic...It’s most enjoyable to see the new kids in town do something besides agree with the Rats.


21 posted on 03/07/2013 1:21:09 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Andrei Bulba
McCain’s ego is preposterous.

That says it all right there, McCain is always about McCain.

22 posted on 03/07/2013 1:26:44 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

By posting on this website, I’m certain we’re all “engaged in combat” by their definition. Words mean nothing to these people.


23 posted on 03/07/2013 1:26:57 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: SoldierDad
The problem isn't one of the entire world being a battlefield, but one where this Pres__ent believes he can order the death of Americans on his word alone.

Won't be the first time. Just ask the Bonus Army.

24 posted on 03/07/2013 1:29:47 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: TexasCajun

That’s awesome! Go Mr. Paul, Mr. Cruz, and Mr. Rubio, I wish my Senator was a part of that, but sadly Mr. Inhofe was busy having a dinner I could never afford with someone I could never have dinner with.


25 posted on 03/07/2013 1:32:24 PM PST by jag.drafting (/s)
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To: jazusamo

these two idiots delivered bozo’s message and as for them having a meal with bozo who has lied, manipulated, attacked them then you can;t even make this up

one and others stand for the rule of law

the others meet and have a meal wiht a guy who hates their guts, who uses them to push a radical agenda and attacks them and it;s no coincidence that the dinner was set at the exact same time as Paul doing this

well done Rubio, Cruz and Paul amongst some others

The elitist beltway old guard republicans see their power under threat and as I type this I see the media is pushing Christie to run now

ARRGGHHH


26 posted on 03/07/2013 1:32:36 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Pan_Yan

Then they lose some of the intimidation factor they were going for with the drone strikes. You would pay attention if your tea party neighbor got droned one night while you slept...


27 posted on 03/07/2013 1:33:04 PM PST by NEMDF
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To: jazusamo; Marcella; TigersEye; Jim Robinson; RedMDer; DJ MacWoW; trisham; musicman; TheOldLady; ...

The Old White Flag Republicans can go straight to He// and take their pal Obama with them!

I stand with Rand and the “Don’t Tread On Me” Republicans like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Tim Scott, Jeff Sessions and every FReedom loving warrior willing to fight for our Constitution!


28 posted on 03/07/2013 1:34:40 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Andrei Bulba

So is Paul going to vote for Brennen? I think there needed to be an elementof trust in the debate and trust wasn’t mentioned. Just because Mr Obama nominated him doesn’t mean he needs to be approved. Brennen is, after all, a muslim, from what I need. And they can lie like a rug.


29 posted on 03/07/2013 1:34:59 PM PST by IM2MAD (IM2MAD=Individual Motivated 2 Make A Difference)
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To: Andrei Bulba

McGraham were PO’d that Rand Paul took the MSM’s spot light off their little dinner meeting with the won.


30 posted on 03/07/2013 1:35:08 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Sirius Lee
Won't be the first time. Just ask the Bonus Army.

Or the South.

31 posted on 03/07/2013 1:35:51 PM PST by twister881
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To: jazusamo

Life in general is a battlefield in case these noodles didn’t notice , no thanks to snivelers like them or O, or maybe these two are just shell-socked and need a long rest.


32 posted on 03/07/2013 1:36:14 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Sirius Lee
Won't be the first time. Just ask the Bonus Army.

Or the victims of the Boston Massacre or the students at Kent State.

33 posted on 03/07/2013 1:38:19 PM PST by twister881
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To: onyx
The Old White Flag Republicans can go straight to He// and take their pal Obama with them!

I'm BUMPING that six ways to Sunday!!

34 posted on 03/07/2013 1:39:44 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: twister881

the south or Ruby ridge, Waco,

Nah the Govt would never attack her own country men ARF


35 posted on 03/07/2013 1:40:35 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: NormsRevenge

Agreed, they definitely need a long rest.


36 posted on 03/07/2013 1:41:09 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo

If this was done under President Bush, McCain would be crying on all the networks


37 posted on 03/07/2013 1:45:24 PM PST by italianquaker
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To: jazusamo

Holder’s written capitulation leaves McCain and Graham floundering on the shore while the tide goes out.

Like two old walruses, too far gone to waddle down to the receding sea, they spend their time hawking and spitting at the young bulls.


38 posted on 03/07/2013 1:46:26 PM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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why is john mccain still in office?

just what kind of machine does he run in his state?

what kind of pork does he take home?


39 posted on 03/07/2013 1:47:44 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: jazusamo

I can’t believe that more than 1% of the population would agree with McCain-Graham-Holder on the drone issue, regardless of political persuasion.

Rand is on the right side with this - put the pedal to the metal and hammer down! This smells like opportunity.


40 posted on 03/07/2013 1:48:17 PM PST by bigbob
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To: jazusamo

Woo-Hoo!
Those two went too far this time.
The guard has changed and they’re on the outside!


41 posted on 03/07/2013 1:48:53 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: TexasCajun

And we all know what the Old Bulls are full of!


42 posted on 03/07/2013 1:49:48 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Iron Munro

Well said, my FRiend. Holder’s little note of capitulation would have never happened but for the filibuster.


43 posted on 03/07/2013 1:50:23 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: onyx; cripplecreek

I’ve got both your backs on this 100%


44 posted on 03/07/2013 1:50:44 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: manc

Sorry Rand, but if some terrorist (American citizen or not) is heading to a city or major sports arena, etc. to set off a nuke and we can take him out with a drone I say go for it.


45 posted on 03/07/2013 1:51:49 PM PST by conservaterian (NOW cTime for a CONSERVATIVE party, but no, if we do that than we have a conservative candidate?????)
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To: Iron Munro

Graham and McCain are the face of the private DC country club.


46 posted on 03/07/2013 1:51:56 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: jazusamo

Twitter is exploding with the following hashtags #primarylindsey #standwithrand


47 posted on 03/07/2013 1:54:08 PM PST by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: DTogo
MeCain & Graham just jumped the T.E.A. Party!

Graham has to run for re-election next year!

Hopefully this little episode will prompt a good T.E.A. Party Conservative to throw their hat into the ring and challenge him in his primary.

48 posted on 03/07/2013 1:55:01 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: jazusamo

This was a Thank-You dinner from Obama to the old RINO’s for backing him on his claim of authority to kill Americans on Americans soil as long as he says they are a terrorist threat.

McCain and Graham agree with Onbama that anyone foolish enough to P.O. top Big Government officials is a valid drone target.

Just who the heck do those uppity citizens think they are anyway?


49 posted on 03/07/2013 1:55:18 PM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: jazusamo

McStain and Miss Lindsay are demented trolls. They are both a disgrace to the country and not fit to sit in the Senate.


50 posted on 03/07/2013 1:55:59 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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