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More gun laws = fewer deaths, 50-state study says (MEGA BARF ALERT!)
AP ^ | Mar 6, 2013 | Lindsey Tanner, Medical Writer

Posted on 03/07/2013 6:14:11 AM PST by KeyLargo

More gun laws = fewer deaths, 50-state study says

By By LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer – 14 hours ago

CHICAGO (AP) — States with the most gun control laws have the fewest gun-related deaths, according to a study that suggests sheer quantity of measures might make a difference.

But the research leaves many questions unanswered and won't settle the debate over how policymakers should respond to recent high-profile acts of gun violence.

In the dozen or so states with the most gun control-related laws, far fewer people were shot to death or killed themselves with guns than in the states with the fewest laws, the study found. Overall, states with the most laws had a 42 percent lower gun death rate than states with the least number of laws.

The results are based on an analysis of 2007-2010 gun-related homicides and suicides from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The researchers also used data on gun control measures in all 50 states compiled by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a well-known gun control advocacy group. They compared states by dividing them into four equal-sized groups according to the number of gun laws.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; cdc; cookedthebooks; doctors; govtabuse; guncontrol; gunlaws; mediabias; pravdamedia; secondamendment; statesrights; suicide; tyranny
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To: KeyLargo

The left has been looking for years and years for some kind of evidence they could use as propaganda to attack the human right to defend oneself. The result has been numerous attempts but only this one study they could spin their way.

Here is how it works. You search for databases and if you can’t find a suitable one then you collect your own. Once you have a database you carve it up hundreds of ways till you find some correlation that is significant and supports your view. If you don’t find anything, then you start making more and more complex tests and relationships till you find something. In this study, you can expect they looked at small areas, then counties, then states and regions till they found what they were looking for. They may have carved up the data other ways, too, and controlled for as many variables as necessary to get a significant relationship. One clue is the size of the database, the bigger the more ways you can carve it and control it till it gives you what you want.

If a state has a city and a rural region (IL and NY, for examples), then you can dilute the effect of high murder rate in the city with the very low rate in the rural region. That aids your argument but doesn’t tell you an honest story about gun laws. The laws are similar but the crime stats are greatly different. The law is therefore a weak if not irrelevant influence on the outcome. You will note that the authors could not identify causality—that means the entire study is worthless and merely a novelty. Without causal evidence, no recommendations can be made. That is the most important conclusion you must draw and the touting of the study is, therefore, unquestionably nothing but propaganda.


21 posted on 03/07/2013 6:35:15 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Paladin2
Vermont 0.3

This "study" is a joke.

22 posted on 03/07/2013 6:37:17 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
"Why is the White Hut cooking staff surrounding the pResident?"

"Make sure you keep the french fries away from Michelle."

23 posted on 03/07/2013 6:38:16 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: iacovatx
I agree that there seems to be a strong correlation with population density.

Cornered 'rats tend to be more aggressive (progressive?).

24 posted on 03/07/2013 6:39:47 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: KeyLargo

My prediction is that in the years to come, somewhere under obozocare, people are going to be required to answer certain questions or be denied care or some other service.

I also predict that the answers will be required to be answered “truthfully” with a penalty attached for false answers.

I’m sure that there are some people who will scoff at this and say that it will never happen. I understand. But I’d ask them to look around at all the things that have happened that most of us thought would never happen. Kinda scary, huh?


25 posted on 03/07/2013 6:40:31 AM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: KeyLargo

Jobs for chefs must be hard to get if these cooks must consent to be props in another phony photo op for Mooshele.


26 posted on 03/07/2013 6:43:26 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Stormdog
"people are going to be required to answer certain questions or be denied care or some other service."

On some radio show last night the suggestion was one would have to surrender one's weapons to get gov't health care.

27 posted on 03/07/2013 6:44:52 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

>> Vermont 0.3 <<

Yes, and you forgot to mention that Vermont’s gun laws are even less restrictive than Alaska’s!


28 posted on 03/07/2013 6:50:31 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: KeyLargo

2012 Washington DC #1 in gun deaths per 100,000


29 posted on 03/07/2013 6:51:05 AM PST by globoreally
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To: Hawthorn
I think the study just counted the # of laws.

(I thought everybody knew that VT was one of the least restrictive states)

30 posted on 03/07/2013 6:54:10 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: KeyLargo

Uncertain as to the validity of this email I received this AM.

Formatting failed but easy to understand.

Two Cities:

Chicago , IL
Houston , TX

Population
2.7 million
2.15 million

Median HH income
$38,600
$37,000

% African-American
32.9%
24%

% Hispanic
28.9%
44%

% Asian
5.5%
6%

% non-Hispanic White
31.7%
26%

A reasonably similar match up until you factor in a Concealed carry gun law.

Chicago, IL

Houston, TX

Concealed carry gun law
no
yes

# of gun stores
0

84 dedicated gun shops,
1500 places to buy guns
(Walmart, etc.)

Homicides, 2012
506
207

Homicides per 100k
18.4
9.6

Average January
high temp, F
31
63

Conclusion: Cold weather causes murder.


31 posted on 03/07/2013 6:54:47 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: jsanders2001
Report is most likely biased, skewed, and written by a gun hating liberal. If investigated this will be borne out as usual.

They get these numbers by including suicides (and they probably count all suicides as gun-related). If we were to look at only murders and leave out suicide and justifiable homicide (i.e. self defense) the numbers would tell a completely different story --and not one that gun banners would like to report.

32 posted on 03/07/2013 6:56:15 AM PST by Drew68
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To: jsanders2001

It’s skewed by including firearms suicides.

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/suicide


33 posted on 03/07/2013 7:05:08 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Paladin2

Pediatricians praise president’s gun control proposal
Jan 30, 2013 7:59 PM CST
By Sarah Bleau

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (FOX13) -

It seems like everyone has something to say about President Obama’s gun control proposal, even doctors and pediatricians.

The American Association for Pediatrics (AAP) released a statement on their website applauding the president’s efforts and for considering their recommendations, especially when it came to allowing doctors to ask patients if there is a gun in their home.

Read more: http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/20608050/pediatricians-sound-off-on-gun-control#ixzz2MrnFkkj9

“We must place a renewed emphasis on improving gun injury and violence research,” said Dr. Georges C. Benjamin, executive director of the American Public Health Assn. Benjamin called the president’s proposal “a real opportunity to make long-lasting progress on reducing gun violence.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-guns-mental-health-20130116,0,1163641.story

Regime Deputizes Gun-Snitch Doctors
January 16, 2013

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Among the things that the president has announced today — well, he didn’t announce them all, but I have them. I have a summary, and I have the full list, 23 Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions, 23 of them. One of them is involving doctors. Obama asks doctors to help deal with guns, and here is the key language in this. “Preserve the rights of health care providers —” i.e., doctors “— to protect their patients and communities from gun violence. We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands. Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities.”
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/01/16/regime_deputizes_gun_snitch_doctors


34 posted on 03/07/2013 7:09:19 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

From the description in the post it sounds like they were comparing raw numbers, not rates. Raw data is easily skewed by small populations. “look, we had only a couple of firearms deaths” - yeah, in a state with a population less than Denver. Plus looking only at firearms related deaths is misleading. You need to look at all deaths, beatings, stabbings, etc. Also you need to look at violent crime rates - they increase with increasing gun control because criminals rapidly learn their law abiding victims are defenseless.


35 posted on 03/07/2013 7:12:28 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: KeyLargo

There is no correlation between firearms ownership rates and homicide rate. Zero. These data do not include Washington, DC. If the plot included Washington DC, a point off the chart (literally) to the upper left, there would be a small, but not significant negative correlation.

36 posted on 03/07/2013 7:21:34 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: KeyLargo
from the article....a concrete, iron-clad assertion

He said his study suggests but doesn't prove that gun laws — or something else — led to fewer gun deaths.

idiots.
37 posted on 03/07/2013 7:39:29 AM PST by stylin19a (obama - Fredo smart)
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To: Hawthorn

I find it strange the groups here in VT trying to ram physician-assisted suicide down our throats are the same ones calling for more gun control laws to reduce suicides, since we don’t have a murder problem.


38 posted on 03/07/2013 7:59:24 AM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: KeyLargo

What would the murder rate in Chicago look like WITHOUT gun laws?

Bullstalin.


39 posted on 03/07/2013 8:02:45 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: KeyLargo

Guns are not a disease and you have “doktors” in this nation encouraging their patients to “CHOOSE DEATH” (suicide) so this is NOT about concern for their mental wellbeing.


40 posted on 03/07/2013 8:05:01 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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