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DOJ: Children Do Not Need—and Have No Right to--Mothers
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Posted on 03/03/2013 4:58:50 PM PST by Sub-Driver

DOJ: Children Do Not Need—and Have No Right to--Mothers March 3, 2013 By Terence P. Jeffrey

Georgetown Law School. (AP Photo/Haraz Ghanbari) (CNSNews.com) - The Obama Justice Department is arguing in the United States Supreme Court that children do not need mothers.

The Justice Department’s argument on the superfluity of motherhood is presented in a brief the Obama administration filed in the case of Hollingsworth v. Perry, which challenges the constitutionality of Proposition 8, the California ballot initiative that amended California’s Constitution to say that marriage involves only one man and one woman.

The Justice Department presented its conclusions about parenthood in rebutting an argument made by proponents of Proposition 8 that the traditional two-parent family, led by both a mother and a father, was the ideal place, determined even by nature itself, to raise a child.

The Obama administration argues this is not true. It argues that children need neither a father nor a mother and that having two fathers or two mothers is just as good as having one of each.

“The [California] Voter Guide arguably offered a distinct but related child-rearing justification for Proposition 8: 'the best situation for a child is to be raised by a married mother and father,’” said the administration’s brief submitted to the court by Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr.

“As an initial matter, no sound basis exists for concluding that same-sex couples who have committed to marriage are anything other than fully capable of responsible parenting and child-rearing,” the Department of Justice told the court. “To the contrary, many leading medical, psychological, and social-welfare organizations have issued policy statements opposing restrictions on gay and lesbian parenting based on their conclusion, supported by numerous scientific studies, that...

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To: Sub-Driver
More shades of 1984
101 posted on 03/03/2013 10:09:18 PM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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To: Albion Wilde

..and Indonesia


102 posted on 03/03/2013 10:34:26 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Sub-Driver
Not trying to turn this into a religious debate, but I seriously believe God has turned His face from our nation, and thus His protection. I think our judgment is coming through the person of Barak Obama and the Liberals.

Sorry, but I'm no longer holding out hope for the next election. An election(s) will not fix this societal decay.

103 posted on 03/03/2013 10:40:15 PM PST by Artcore
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To: manc
What gets me is how our side fail all the time to understand whta the left is doing, ...........
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Every day “our side” is doing it. Every day the children of conservatives fill the seats in our nation's K-12 socialist-entitlement, single-payer, and compulsory indoctrination camps.

104 posted on 03/03/2013 10:46:13 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Artcore

Not trying to turn this into a religious debate, but I seriously believe God has turned His face from our nation,
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Indeed! I agree! Why would God should God save our nation?

1) Abortion: Millions of conservatives and Christians can show up for a chicken sandwich or Washington Mall but can’t figure out a way to legally and peacefully end abortion? Really?

2) Every day our nation’s GODLESS K-12 socialist-entitlement and single payer indoctrination camps are filled to the brim with the children of Christians and conservatives. While in these Marxist and homosexual dominated GODLESS schools they will learn to think and reason GODLESSLY. They must just to cooperate in the GODLESS classroom. They also risk learning to throw their privately held religious beliefs in the trash can next to the door of their public life.

How this nation abuses children is reason enough for God to abandon us.

Personally, every day I pray that God will give this nation what it **NEEDS** whether it be comfortable or uncomfortable.


105 posted on 03/03/2013 10:58:01 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Sub-Driver
The arrogance of Pharaoh is alive and well in the Obama world.
106 posted on 03/03/2013 11:04:02 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: wintertime

Well said.


107 posted on 03/03/2013 11:27:23 PM PST by Artcore
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To: Brown Deer

Either test tubes or Obama’s version of the Lebensborn program.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/questions/lebensborn.shtml


108 posted on 03/03/2013 11:34:31 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: manc
What gets me is how our side fail all the time to understand what the left is doing.

Maybe because our side only pretend to be on our side.

109 posted on 03/04/2013 12:04:20 AM PST by itsahoot (ItÂ’s not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Our own government, arguing that “scientific studies” show two daddies or two mommies is just as good as Mom & Dad. “

The studies generally show that generally, rich, white lesbians are just as good (or just as poor/problematic) as heterosexual single mothers..a group whose children are much more likely to be imprisoned, mentally ill, be unable to delay gratification, and have lower IQs than the children where there is both a male and a female raising them.


110 posted on 03/04/2013 12:05:53 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: manc
>For some reason our side plays defense all the time"

Because most on our side are no better than the godless on their side.

One day we all will have to explain why we followed the deceived ones instead of Jesus.

111 posted on 03/04/2013 12:43:53 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Artcore; wintertime
Well said.

And I too agree. IMHO the list of reasons could go on and on for quite some time for why God is/has turning His back on America. Americans far and wide keep finding all kinds of new ways to reject God and His word and teachings.

112 posted on 03/04/2013 1:56:36 AM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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To: Sub-Driver

I will NOT obey.


113 posted on 03/04/2013 3:52:21 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Sub-Driver
The Obama administration argues this is not true. It argues that children need neither a father nor a mother and that having two fathers or two mothers is just as good as having one of each.

Welcome to our Brave New World.

We're toast.

114 posted on 03/04/2013 4:22:58 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Sub-Driver; little jeremiah; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; onyx; Girlene; wmfights; jazusamo

To argue that a child does not need a mother is to argue against biology itself.

No one comes into this world without the labor of a mother.


115 posted on 03/04/2013 5:12:42 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: cradle of freedom

the left wing around the world all work with each other pushing their twisted sick failed and proven failed agenda expecting a different results every time.

The Carter years, communism, failed socialism in Europe etc etc, the list is too long for their faled yeas but now we have another one of their radicals who have infiltrated and all they do is blame their failed agenda on others instead of finally saying we’re wrong.


116 posted on 03/04/2013 5:18:03 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“It took 70 years from the Bolshevik revolution to the fall of communism in Soviet Russia. During those 70 years, tens of millions perished and everybody lived in fear of the state and its totally arbitrary murder. Even today, the spirit of the people who lived under totalitarian rule is broken and difficult to restore.

You may be right that “it can’t last.” But 7 decades is a long time. We need to accelerate the end of this horrible evil.”

It may be better to leave the country unless someone figures out how to beat this enemy. Stupidity is the most powerful force in the universe so I doubt it.


117 posted on 03/04/2013 5:18:46 AM PST by Wanderer99
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To: Sub-Driver

Interesting.

I just finished reading “BRAVE NEW WORLD” where “Mother” is considered a filthy dirty word.


118 posted on 03/04/2013 5:40:50 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: Sub-Driver

This is what happens when people who don’t view matters through an American prism get elected. I never thought in my earlier years, we’d ever get to this juncture of a “president” arguing against the sanctity of family.

Good God, this country is dying at an astonishing rate.


119 posted on 03/04/2013 5:49:51 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Travis McGee
I read that book (and Brave New World Revisited) long ago. I always figured if that came to pass I'd end up on a "savage reservation". I wonder if flyover country counts?
120 posted on 03/04/2013 5:58:18 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Olog-hai
On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie.

This is where Marx was fundamentally wrong. The family existed primarily for survival. After that, for surviving better. The better the family did, the more likely its progeny would continue, the more likely its genetics would survive and be passed on.

One of the essential problems with intellectuals of Marx's stripe is that they think they can overcome fundamental forces of nature (in this case the will to survive and procreate). Such essential delusions condemn their philosophies to failure, no matter who undertakes them.

121 posted on 03/04/2013 6:04:34 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: HollyB
Ping.

About two months until Mother's Day. Wonder if it will be outlawed as ‘discriminatory’.

122 posted on 03/04/2013 7:36:57 AM PST by 444Flyer
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To: xzins
Absolutely, xzins. Not only during labor, but the nine months prior. From the article:

The Justice Department presented its conclusions about parenthood in rebutting an argument made by proponents of Proposition 8 that the traditional two-parent family, led by both a mother and a father, was the ideal place, determined even by nature itself, to raise a child.

The Obama administration argues this is not true. It argues that children need neither a father nor a mother and that having two fathers or two mothers is just as good as having one of each.


When it comes to children, they deserve the closest environment to the ideal which is two biological parents in a committed marriage.

It is known that wild animals have helped raise/feed children who have been abondoned to the wild. Just because they are capable of providing some form of care, not the best obviously, should they be given the same standing in adopting children as the ideal? Of course not.

The DOJ is trying to argue that there is no difference between two mommies, two daddies, two anything and the ideal. Saw a study published just recently which DID show a difference in children raised in various parenting situations. Again, the ideal - two bioligical parents had children with the least problems.
123 posted on 03/04/2013 8:02:30 AM PST by Girlene
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To: little jeremiah

I’d like to know when people will wake up to what the homosexual agenda is really about.

It;s not about love, nor is it about Govt of business or even it;s their private business.

It;s a step about taking children and brainwshing into them thinking families are not about a mother and a father, it;s about making the family be destroyed and it;s about a step into a bigger agenda whilst our children are brainwashed and took control by the elitist.

Even on here we get a couple every now and again pretending to be conservatives but saying thye have no problem with this agenda or them saying they know a couple and they;re nice .


124 posted on 03/04/2013 8:44:04 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: gusopol3
Thank you. This could get very interesting. It's not just the huge Regnerus study.

Same-sex parenting and children’s outcomes: A closer examination of the American psychological association’s brief on lesbian and gay parenting

125 posted on 03/04/2013 8:55:18 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Windflier
"The hard left is doing their utmost to destroy the culture and bring on the Borg collective. These freaks have become totally unhinged."

Who is unhinged here? After all....we're the ones letting them get away with it.

126 posted on 03/04/2013 9:14:06 AM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Windflier
"The hard left is doing their utmost to destroy the culture and bring on the Borg collective. These freaks have become totally unhinged."

Who is unhinged here? After all....we're the ones letting them get away with it.

127 posted on 03/04/2013 9:14:34 AM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Windflier
"The hard left is doing their utmost to destroy the culture and bring on the Borg collective. These freaks have become totally unhinged."

Who is unhinged here? After all....we're the ones letting them get away with it.

128 posted on 03/04/2013 9:14:58 AM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: XenaLee
Who is unhinged here? After all....we're the ones letting them get away with it.

We're not unhinged....we're just pensive. I'd say that over half the country has been driven nearly to the breaking point by Obama and the Dems over the last five years.

Millions of good people have had their nerves frayed to the point of snapping, by the constant, never-ending threats to our way of life from this administration.

A people can only take so much. Comes a point where the pain forces them to actively resist their oppressor. Who knows what the real breaking point will be, but I think we can all agree that the country is like a bone dry prairie, just waiting for the right spark to ignite an inextinguishable fire.

129 posted on 03/04/2013 10:12:28 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Sub-Driver

The only mothers who have rights are those who abort their babies.


130 posted on 03/04/2013 10:59:18 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: metmom
EVERYONE: Stop already with the negativism. We the People ARE NOT TOAST. Oboma’s “world” is the ideology he is trying to force upon us, We the People. Oboma the Socilist’s world IS NOT OUR WORLD. And it is up to us to be the freedom fighters of wars past...google the word and find out who they were, what they did and how they did it. We must refuse, delay, obstruct and sabotage any and all oboma’s attempts to destroy the Constitution, our freedom, liberty, RIGHTS. We must encourage others to do the same. We need to present a POSITIVE front to the enemy...negative commentary is detrimental to our success.

We must join forces with like-minded people with whom we can discuss ideas, plans on how we are going to take this country BACK from socialist oboma. We must join organizations like The Tea Party, Tea Party Patriots, www.oathkeepers.org, and seek out and SUPPORT worthy Conservative candidates for election. We must become involved in the voting process. AS LONG AS the left has control over the voting process and their ability to commit voter fraud, over the decision of who will supply the voting machines, some of which were coded by the left to change the name of a Republican/Conservative candidate to that of the Socialist-Democrat candidate without the knowledge of the voter, (something we found out about after the elections - google this to find out more), WE CANNOT WIN. Be sure to vote in the primaries. Be sure to volunteer to be a watcher, judge. Demand that the Republican Party support Voter ID, and BE VOCAL and IN THEIR FACE about this. Without the work and support of millions of freedom loving boots on the ground, on a state by state basis, we cannot crush oboma. Keep your election boards independent of party favoritism..you don't want one party to take control of your election board. And remember, none of this can be accomplished unless we all participate NOW, in any way we can.

So, rather than hash over the same old rhetoric, what are We the People, what is the Tea Party, Tea Party Patriots going to do about the voting process in this country under the control of socialist oboma? Are we going to be as organized, as dedicated as the left is, in OUR quest to win back this country? You'll notice the left never stops fighting for what they want, like a dog with a bone, they will not let go until they destroy this country completely.

And what about We the People? Do we have the fire in our bellies to sacrifice our time, our money, our effort to win this fight and destroy socialist oboma and his ilk? What we DO need is leadership. We must get rid of Boehner and McConnell, or the Republican Party as it now stands IS TOAST in this case, if they refuse to embrace Conservative candidates, Conservative politicians now in office. We need a Conservative leader and that we must work toward..NOW.

Does anyone have further input on what we must do?

131 posted on 03/04/2013 11:08:50 AM PST by itssme
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To: Sub-Driver

Same sex couples claimed that it was about the actions of consenting ADULTS in PRIVATE. When does the child consent to being brought into an “alternative lifestyle” household and why is this crap being pushed on children in primary school?

Corrupting minors is about perverting their notions of “civilized society”.

“Animals do it” is no defense of the practice of homosexuality. Dogs eat excrement as well (and calling that your “lifestyle” affords the practice no protections).


132 posted on 03/04/2013 11:09:30 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
I agree with you, and I'd like to make these comments to everyone. Though the left has no religion except socialism, communism, marxism, we must remember that in the Bible, IT WAS ADAM AND EVE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN. THERE WAS nooooooo ADAM AND STEVE. The union of a heterosexual man and heterosexual woman, BECAUSE THEY BOTH can pro-create, is as old as time. And for a reason. The nuclear family, as defined above, is the backbone of our American culture, and no socialist, communist, marxist is going to change OUR culture. WE WILL NOT BECOME THE COLLECTIVE FOR OBOMA. WE ARE NOT THE BORG...google the BORG if you're not familiar with this reference. Like anti-gun legislation, we will go to war in this country over this issue if socialist oboma attempts to change OUR culture.
133 posted on 03/04/2013 11:40:29 AM PST by itssme
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To: xzins
To argue that a child does not need a mother is to argue against biology itself.
No one comes into this world without the labor of a mother.

You're so right. This Marxist regime is denying human reality.

134 posted on 03/04/2013 12:15:52 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: a fool in paradise
“Animals do it” is no defense of the practice of homosexuality.

I find it ironic and amusing that homosexuals compare themselves to animals to justify their lifestyles.

Really, if one of us *breeders* made the comparison, it'd be hate speech.

But if they want to compare themselves to animals, who am I to argue?

135 posted on 03/04/2013 12:18:57 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: onyx; Girlene

Anyone that obsessed with arguing with the laws of nature itself is rejecting the Creator, Nature’s God.

How many culture’s have you ever in your life heard of that would argue a child does not need a mother?

Not only is it an aberration in all of human history, but it is twisted. As girlene pointed out, just because some child might have survived with dogs, doesn’t mean dogs are suddenly on a par with the natural family.


136 posted on 03/04/2013 1:18:31 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
How many culture’s have you ever in your life heard of that would argue a child does not need a mother?

The homosexual and liberal culture.
137 posted on 03/04/2013 3:02:56 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Travis McGee

A very adroit reference Mr. McGee. Everyone should read or re-read the Aldous Huxley classic “Brave New World” published in 1931. It describes the logical outcome of a forced “utopia”, where procreation is left to government run incubators, sex is purely for pleasure and the government sedates the population with drugs. Huxley envisioned a world 600 years in the future. There are those among us who would, if they had the power, impose it on us today.


138 posted on 03/04/2013 4:28:36 PM PST by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: Sub-Driver

Children that are abandoned by one parent or the other, many times even if that parent was not a good one, go through a mourning period because they have the need and yearning for a mother and a father.

My daughter, adopted as an infant, loves my husband and I as Mommy and Daddy but as she approaches her teens, I know there will be issues that come up dealing with the fact that her biological parents put her up for adoption. If she had been adopted by two men or two women, I believe the problems faced in adolescence would be much worse.


139 posted on 03/04/2013 5:34:24 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Girlene

This 21st century American liberal, homosexual culture is the only one I know of arguing that a child doesn’t need a mother.

I’ve heard of ideas attributed to some communist societies wondering what it would be like for the government to seize all children and raise all children, but none of them ever took that step so far as I know.


140 posted on 03/04/2013 5:47:53 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!


141 posted on 03/04/2013 9:16:37 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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It’s pretty simple - The first two on earth were a man and a woman. Whether you believe it’s God or another force, it’s still a man and a woman who were given the gift of procreation.

Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

End of story.


142 posted on 03/04/2013 9:51:35 PM PST by imemyself
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To: Sub-Driver

May the breath of God, be upon all children


143 posted on 03/05/2013 4:42:30 AM PST by RedHeeler
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To: Smokin' Joe

Except when men start calling themselves mothers and woman start calling themselves fathers.. they in their minds can fulfill those roles.


144 posted on 03/05/2013 5:48:50 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Sub-Driver

They didn’t see what I saw. My then 88 year old mother consoling my then 70 year old brother after the loss of his wife of 50 years.


145 posted on 03/06/2013 12:34:40 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Windflier

Well, I guess I was referring to myself then....lol.

Over the past five years, my nerves have been frayed, my temper has flared and my patience has flown. Now all that remains is my dumbfounded disbelief that we are collectively sitting around watching our freedoms lost, our lives ruined and our utter destruction occur DAILY...

and doing NOTHING about it.


146 posted on 03/07/2013 9:57:11 AM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Sub-Driver

It (only) takes a village...


147 posted on 03/07/2013 11:16:35 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: XenaLee
Over the past five years, my nerves have been frayed, my temper has flared and my patience has flown. Now all that remains is my dumbfounded disbelief that we are collectively sitting around watching our freedoms lost, our lives ruined and our utter destruction occur DAILY... and doing NOTHING about it.

Well Xena, we may not be blowing the bugles to assemble the citizen militia just yet, but I've got a strong feeling that most good Americans aren't just sitting idle, watching the country be murdered. They're out there preparing like crazy for what might come, if these Commies push it that far.

Why do you think the regime is spending so much money on firearms, ammunition, and tanks (of all things)? It's a reaction to the proactive actions of tens of millions of alert Americans.

It's all for naught, though, as their war game simulations have always shown. The armed American public constitutes the largest fighting force on the face of the planet. It cannot be beaten through military means. Only a suicidal ignoramus would even try it. It would be the end of them, their cronies, their supporters, their political party, and everything connected with them.

Those are the facts. I hope it eases your mind a bit.

148 posted on 03/07/2013 5:48:30 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Sub-Driver

not fired, lynched

Fired does not eliminate the problem mind


149 posted on 03/07/2013 5:52:23 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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