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Lawmakers, Utah sheriffs want to rein in renegade BLM, Forest Service officers
Deseret News ^ | Feb. 28 2013 | Amy Joi O'Donoghue

Posted on 03/02/2013 12:48:31 PM PST by george76

Multiple rural county sheriffs from Utah testified Thursday about the abusive use of police power by Bureau of Land Management rangers or forest protection officers with the U.S. Forest Service.

They are asserting it is time to rein in the authority the agencies should have never been allowed to exercise.

Sheriffs from San Juan, Kane and Garfield counties spoke in favor of HB155, sponsored by Rep. Mike Noel, R-Kanab, which proposes to limit BLM rangers and forest protection officers from exercising police power over state and local laws unless someone's safety is at risk or federal contracts are in place with local police agencies.

"You cannot use our (laws) to arrest our people and issue citations," Noel said. "We don't believe they ever had that authority. Our chief law enforcement officer is the locally elected sheriff who is accountable to the people every four years."

Noel tapped the expertise of Mark Ward, an attorney with the Utah Association of Counties, to explore the legal ramifications of the bill and where police power appropriately rests over federal, state and local criminal behavior.

(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Colorado; US: Idaho; US: Nevada; US: New Mexico; US: Utah; US: Washington; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: agenda21; animalrights; ar; blm; coal; ecofascists; endangered; energy; forestservice; grouse; obama; sagegrouse; spottedowl; un21; unagenda21

1 posted on 03/02/2013 12:48:38 PM PST by george76
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To: george76

BLM has been out of control for some time. Feds are always power hungry.


2 posted on 03/02/2013 12:56:10 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: jazusamo; Flycatcher; girlangler; GladesGuru; Carry_Okie; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; AuntB; LucyT; ...

Three southern Utah county sheriffs described heavy-handed police tactics that they say have become common where ever BLM rangers and Forest Service officers patrol.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55921992-90/federal-officers-law-utah.html.csp

Garfield County Sheriff James Perkins had with overzealous federal employees over the past few years, and his concerns have gone unanswered.

Smith said he’d been to Washington, D.C., four times, and one exchange devolved into a screaming match with top officials of the U.S. Forest Service.

“For the last few years, their whole agenda is: We don’t want to work with you anymore, we don’t have to work with you anymore, and we’re not going to work with you anymore.”


3 posted on 03/02/2013 12:56:43 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Good for these Utah Sheriff's, they're not the first to get into it with USFS and BLM officers.

I'm sure there's more but I'm aware of one in So Oregon, Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson wanting some answers over a year ago. He was getting a lot of complaints from county residents being harassed by Feds.

More Sheriff's should be speaking up for the 10th Amendment.

OREGON SHERIFF GIL GILBERTSON CONTINUES STAND AGAINST U.S. FOREST SERVICE
http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news287.htm

4 posted on 03/02/2013 1:46:00 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: george76
I applaud this effort by Utah, but more states need to get on board.

Or else we can just toss out the 10th Amendment.

Thanks for the ping, George!

5 posted on 03/02/2013 1:46:16 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: george76; MestaMachine; thouworm; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; dragonblustar; jersey117; Velveeta; ...
From the article:

Sheriffs ... spoke in favor of HB155, sponsored by Rep. Mike Noel, R-Kanab, which proposes to limit BLM rangers and forest protection officers from exercising police power over state and local laws unless someone's safety is at risk or federal contracts are in place with local police agencies.

"You cannot use our (laws) to arrest our people and issue citations," Noel said. "We don't believe they ever had that authority. Our chief law enforcement officer is the locally elected sheriff who is accountable to the people every four years."

Noel tapped the expertise of Mark Ward, an attorney with the Utah Association of Counties, to explore the legal ramifications of the bill and where police power appropriately rests over federal, state and local criminal behavior.

6 posted on 03/02/2013 1:52:23 PM PST by LucyT (In the 20th century 260 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: george76

One could add the National Park Service to the government employees that have a superiority complex with respect to the taxpaying US citizen. Many of them act that the NP system is for their pleasure and employment and act as if the NPS is for them to prance around and keep the public away. The military has a paltry amount of benefits compared to the NPS.


7 posted on 03/02/2013 2:29:59 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: LucyT

If that indian reservation has “separate nation” status, a serious question arises. Can the Sheriff allow jailing of a USA citizen by a foreign power or the agents of said foreign power.

I doubt the tribe agreed in writing to follow American/Utah laws, as they make a great deal of their ‘sovereignty’ and ‘separate nation’ status.

It would appear the inter-agency agreement is a de facto removal of the rights of any American ‘charged’ by the reservation police.

Indian ‘law’ is totally different than US law. For example, an Indian drove his girl friend’s SUV into a canal with several children inside. He did a “Swimmer” but they drowned.

Despite agency agreement about felonies being dealt with in Federal court, the Indian “Swimmer” never saw the inside of a Federal Court.

Abuses by Tribal Police would be similarly difficult to redress.

Problems, problems.


8 posted on 03/02/2013 2:31:07 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: george76

My fiancee’ could write a book about BLM thugs. He has had to run them off his claim in the past and one had to be disarmed because he started waving a weapon around a hunting party. They took it into town later that day and turned it in to the local sheriff. They are totally out of control.


9 posted on 03/02/2013 2:43:14 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Some in Wyoming have also begun to get a bit “brassy”. I have run into them on occasions but nothing got out of control and no “citations” have been issued. Play by the rules as close as possible and they will leave you alone.


10 posted on 03/02/2013 3:16:29 PM PST by DaveA37
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To: jazusamo

Last September, Gill and five other local sheriffs spoke to
an almost standing room crowd at the fair grounds. Subject
was local sovereignty and was sponsored by the National
Constitutional Sheriffs Association, LLC and Veritas Research
Consulting.

www.veritasresearchconsulting.com


11 posted on 03/02/2013 4:04:36 PM PST by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: george76

Read “Eco-Fascists: How Radical Conservationists are Destroying our National Heritage” by Elizabeth Nickson.

The book is replete with examples of the BLM, Dept. of Interior and Forestry Services overstepping their authority in an attempt to crush communities and families that will not be coerced by their nazi-style thuggery.

The author intersperses her personal experience with them while traveling across the country and documenting cases in places as diverse as the Adirondacks, Crescent City, CA., Las Cruces, NM, Oregon, Wash., Texas, Colorado Springs and Wyoming. Showing how intertwined the tentacles of these government orgs are with their ENGO compatriots, and what they are attempting to achieve, i.e. Agenda 21 among other things.


12 posted on 03/02/2013 4:05:48 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: Progov

I have to say that here in the South the rangers are extremely nice, very helpful and I have never had a bad experience nor have any of my friends or acquaintances.


13 posted on 03/02/2013 4:06:52 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: george76
"For the last few years, their whole agenda is: We don't want to work with you anymore, we don't have to work with you anymore, and we're not going to work with you anymore."

The out of control Feds. Goes hand in hand with ICE releasing illegals in AZ last week. No notice, no warning. Just opened the gates...

14 posted on 03/02/2013 4:11:52 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: george76

A few comments from the link posted.

SLCynic

Law enforcement at all levels is stretched pretty thin in the rural areas of Utah. Too much land, too few officers, and an increasing number of users. We should be looking for ways to better use the law enforcement resources we have. That means more flexibility and fewer restrictions.

BobWired

Apparently their law committee needs someone on it that actually knows the law. I do believe the federal Assimilative Crimes Acts covers federal authority in enforcing state laws on federal property. Then there’s the Code of Federal Regulations. Now, if you commit a crime on federal land they’ll ticket you and you’ll appear in front of a federal magistrate instead of the local judge. Big ‘DAH’ goes out to our very good intention lawmakers on Capital Hill. Flippen morons.

Hail_to_the_chef

Silly Feds, this is not America, it’s the Kingdom of Utah , Gayle Ruzicka is Queen of the North, Emperor Noel is King of the South. He is the Supreme Law over all where the High Queen does not reign.


15 posted on 03/02/2013 4:19:06 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: george76
This is good news.

It is way past time for Sheriffs to realize that they trump everybody.

16 posted on 03/02/2013 4:57:11 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: george76
I live in the southeastern U.S. But about over decade ago TVA which is basically a federal utility had their agency police force assisting local LEO on local calls. IMO that was not a good idea. It ended when the agency privatized their security.

I believe way too many federal agencies have way too much police powers and over time they have taken in jurisdictions far outside of the specific federal property they are assigned to. For example should a federal agency cop from BLM be authorized to do a traffic stop on a highway not within their boundaries? IMO no. They just like Citizen Joe should contact local officers.

17 posted on 03/02/2013 5:04:43 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: george76
“For the last few years, their whole agenda is: We don’t want to work with you anymore, we don’t have to work with you anymore, and we’re not going to work with you anymore.”

Arrest, try, and jail them.

18 posted on 03/02/2013 5:10:52 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: george76
This is one front of a big fight in CO. I don't think we are winning...
19 posted on 03/02/2013 5:18:09 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: ozzymandus

I’ve had run-ins with the BLM nazis in the past...what a bunch of arrogant A-holes they are. I served on a public lands advisory committee for awhile and the meetings which were attended by the local district FS ranger and blm manager always had an armed blm idiot lurking in the background.

Complete jerks...wash-outs from legitimate law enforcement jobs so they end up trying to bust people for driving across the sagebrush.


20 posted on 03/02/2013 5:23:37 PM PST by Cuttnhorse (God made man but Sam Colt made them equal)
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To: ozzymandus; Carry_Okie; redrock

Indeed.


21 posted on 03/02/2013 5:25:52 PM PST by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: george76

After my father passed away, I went to the local Social Security office in our small city. I had to pass through a security checkpoint. I had to sit by another security guard while I was waiting. I finally talked to a clerk who was behind bullet proof glass. Are we, the taxpayers, the enemy?


22 posted on 03/02/2013 5:28:57 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ozzymandus
BLM has been out of control for some time. Feds are always power hungry.

All large bureaucracies are power hungry, no exceptions.
And it seems the lower you go down the command structure, the more arbitrary, capricious and criminal is their behavior, apparently with impunity.

They enjoy total control over our lands, but feel free to abuse and exploit the "unique" value they "protect" against us unwashed peons.

23 posted on 03/02/2013 9:49:59 PM PST by publius911 (Look for the Unin label, then buy something else.)
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To: george76

More and more power to these guys! The government that governs best is seated closest to the people. More so in local rural areas that anywhere else!!!


24 posted on 03/02/2013 10:50:33 PM PST by SierraWasp (Mark Twain said: "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled!!!)
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To: george76; LegendHasIt; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; OneWingedShark; ...

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25 posted on 03/06/2013 7:44:24 AM PST by CedarDave (Marco Rubio takes a drink of water while the media swallows Obama's Kool-Aid)
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To: george76

BLM cops have a different set of rules. Much like game wardens, they can enter private property without a warrent in some situations.


26 posted on 03/06/2013 10:58:29 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: CedarDave

Thanks for the Ping, Dave.
..........................

Oh, the stories I could tell about illegal and unconstitutional acts by the US Forest Service.

And ones that friends have endured under the BLM.
......................

That said, I did meet a nice BLM Ranger down here a couple weeks ago. He could have cited me for driving down a recently closed road. I really did not see the (small) new sign, while driving down a well established dirt road to a place I have gone weekly for years.


27 posted on 03/06/2013 11:51:14 AM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: LegendHasIt

The comments following the article at the SL Trib are depressing though.
Seems as if 9 out of 10 of them love the feds and hate freedom.


28 posted on 03/06/2013 12:47:17 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: LegendHasIt

The comments following the article at the SL Trib are depressing though.
Seems as if 9 out of 10 of them love the feds and hate freedom.


29 posted on 03/06/2013 12:47:38 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: LegendHasIt

Is the road closed permanently, or just until the spring rains stop?

Here in Southern Oregon they’ve been closing tons of roads and shutting down long-established campgrounds.

Ed


30 posted on 03/06/2013 1:03:35 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed

What rains? This is Southern New Mexico.

Naw, it is part of some new “National Conservancy Area” or something like that.


31 posted on 03/06/2013 1:41:59 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: george76

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NEW ACTION THREAD:
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Post 128 of the Action Thread is a summary of the history of Agenda 21, “what they are doing”, “what to do about it” and a good bibliography for further reading.


32 posted on 03/30/2013 3:04:01 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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