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More advice from Joe Biden: 'Just fire the shotgun through the door'
Washington Examiner ^ | February 27, 2013 | Michal Conger

Posted on 02/28/2013 11:14:47 AM PST by neverdem

In an interview with Field & Stream magazine on Monday, Vice President Joe Biden once again touted shotguns as the best weapon for self-defense, offering advice similar to the questionable instructions he gave during a Facebook town hall last week.

During that interview, Biden explained his suggestion to his wife Jill for handling an intruder.

“If there’s ever a problem,” Biden said he told his wife, “just walk out on the balcony here— walk out, put that double barrel shot gun and fire two blasts outside the house.”

The problem with Biden’s advice is that it would empty the shotgun and possibly get the shooter in trouble with the law.

Undaunted, Biden gave similar advice in his interview with the hunting and fishing magazine.

Field & Stream asked the Vice President whether so-called assault rifles and high-capacity clips, which the administration wants banned, should be allowed for self-defense and target practice.

Well, the way in which we measure it is—I think most scholars would say—is that as long as you have a weapon sufficient to be able to provide your self-defense,” Biden said. “I did one of these town-hall meetings on the Internet and one guy said, “Well, what happens when the end days come? What happens when there’s the earthquake? I live in California, and I have to protect myself.”

I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that’s true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, “Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.” No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; biden; guncontrol; secondamendment; threadfour

1 posted on 02/28/2013 11:14:52 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Abdo-Lutely stunning!


2 posted on 02/28/2013 11:19:48 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: neverdem

“The problem with Biden’s advice is that it would empty the shotgun and possibly get the shooter in trouble with the law.”

Yes, but we are dealing with the dumbest VP in American history. Stupidity and ignorance comes natural to him.


3 posted on 02/28/2013 11:20:08 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: neverdem
“If there’s ever a problem,” Biden said he told his wife, “just walk out on the balcony here— walk out, put that double barrel shot gun and fire two blasts outside the house.”

Great advice. Now Jill has an empty gun by which to defend herself when the intruder goes after her. Brilliant.

How is it Constitutionally lawfull that an imbecile can be Vice President?

4 posted on 02/28/2013 11:20:45 AM PST by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: neverdem
It is scary that this is the type of people that are top leaders of our nation.

The guy is a certified moron. A shotgun is not a Party Popper, even a 12 ga game load from Wal Mart has more knockdown power at close range than a 9 shot burst from a full auto 223

5 posted on 02/28/2013 11:22:35 AM PST by KTM rider ( paychecks have been replaced by weekly allowances)
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To: KTM rider

“even a 12 ga game load from Wal Mart has more knockdown power at close range than a 9 shot burst from a full auto 223 “

huh?


6 posted on 02/28/2013 11:25:29 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: neverdem

Horribly irresponsible advice.


7 posted on 02/28/2013 11:26:16 AM PST by DBrow
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To: KTM rider

Yeah a deer slug, center mass will do the trick. Plus the muzzle flash will blind them and the noise will deafen them.


8 posted on 02/28/2013 11:26:16 AM PST by olepap (God help us)
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To: neverdem

Apparently Oscar Pistorius was just using a variation on Biden’s advice....


9 posted on 02/28/2013 11:27:28 AM PST by Regulator
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To: neverdem

Liberals and their pet “media” would be having a friggin’ field day if Sarah Palin had said this.


10 posted on 02/28/2013 11:27:53 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: neverdem

First of all - “machine guns” are legal.

Secondly firing through a door in your home at someone is about as stupid as it gets. No matter who you hit, if anyone, you are probably going to jail. One exception I can think of is if you just retreated from a life threatening danger through that same door, and the threat was pulling a “Shining” style “here’s Johnny.”


11 posted on 02/28/2013 11:32:24 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: neverdem
RE: Just fire the shotgun through the door...

Yes, just like this guy did...

12 posted on 02/28/2013 11:32:50 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: neverdem
The most sensational criminal case in South Africa tells of how someone who followed Biden's advise... (using a handgun instead)


13 posted on 02/28/2013 11:35:51 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: neverdem

“...Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15...”

Hmm...stupidity such as that doesn’t even require a response.

And this moron is a heartbeat away from the _residency.

Then again, how could he be any worse...

Stunning... just...stunning.


14 posted on 02/28/2013 11:36:54 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Don’t ask a question to which you really don’t want to know the answer...


15 posted on 02/28/2013 11:41:36 AM PST by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: Obadiah

State law in CA is they have to be through the door, shooting through a door at someone outside on the porch will get you in jail.


16 posted on 02/28/2013 11:52:52 AM PST by edcoil (Half of every class gratuates at the bottom, they are now politicians.)
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To: neverdem

walk out, put that double barrel shot gun and fire two blasts outside the house.”

That will alert the 12 secret service people here to the problem and you will be fine.


17 posted on 02/28/2013 11:53:43 AM PST by edcoil (Half of every class gratuates at the bottom, they are now politicians.)
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To: edcoil
...shooting through a door at someone outside on the porch will get you in jail

Not in every state my friend....but Biden is still a retarded monkey.

18 posted on 02/28/2013 12:06:10 PM PST by Niteranger68 (When you play all-or-nothing, be prepared to get nothing...maybe even less.)
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To: driftdiver
223 NATO= 340 lbs/PSI,

12 guage= 3200 lbs/PSI

I believe that the reason why the government is focusing on AR's first is because they know that the AR is a tactical long range combat weapon and they know that they are doing everything to bring on armed rebellion.

So Biden may not be as stupid as it appears

Its like how theives lock their own stuff up tighter than anyone

In a insurrection scenario close combat would be a fatal mistake when outnumbered and outgunned. Traditional combat in the AR range would be most effective, especially against helicopters and drones. And that is where they would take it. Eye contact assault against ones own people could prove a disaster for them. They would need to demonize and surgical bomb isolated groups

I think the government leaders are perplexed that a group has not yet attacked them for their obvious tyrannical activities in violation of the constitution

In their consciences, the leaders know they deserve to be slaughtered, the American people just dont realize it yet. The American population is peaceful, fat and happy so far. And they wont know they are slaves until it is way too late, the propaganda and mind control machine is working very well for the evil leaders.

....until the ATM's run dry and the store shelves go empty everything will be fine. The american dollar is teetering on the brink

19 posted on 02/28/2013 12:11:45 PM PST by KTM rider ( paychecks have been replaced by weekly allowances)
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To: neverdem

Self Defense Instructions to Joe Biden:
Get yourself a double barreled 12 gauge shotgun,
Load it with Double Ought buck shot,
Insert both barrels in mouth,
pull trigger,
Enjoy!


20 posted on 02/28/2013 12:14:19 PM PST by Richard Axtell (Comming: The Abyss.)
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To: neverdem

Last week I purchased a burger at a fast food restaurant for $1.58. The counter girl took
my $ 2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it
to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen on
her register.

I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but she
hailed the manager for help. While he tried to explain the
transaction to her, she stood there and cried.

Why do I tell you this? Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the
price. What is his profit?

2. Teaching Math In 1960s

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the
price, or $80. What is his profit?

3. Teaching Math In1970s

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make
a profit?

4. Teaching Math In 1980s

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his
profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

5. Teaching Math In 1990s

A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares
nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so
he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living?

Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and
squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no
wrong answers, and if you feel like crying, it’s ok. )

6. Teaching Math In 2009

Un hachero vende una carretada de maderapara $100. El costo de la producciones es $80.
Cuanto dinero ha hecho?

7. Teaching Math In 2013

Who cares, just steal the lumber from your rich neighbor’s property. He won’t have a gun
to stop you, and it’s OK anyway cuz it’s redistributing
the wealth.


21 posted on 02/28/2013 12:15:34 PM PST by mirkwood (project gutenberg)
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To: castlebrew

I hear ya, friend...

Here’s another one:

Can he REALLY be THAT stupid, or is it just a condescending “gee-whiz, down home folksy good ol’ boy” act to make it look like HE has all the common sense, and we’re all just bumpkims suffering from TFS (Too F**ing Stoooopid) Syndrome?

If so, he’s a master actor at it. He pulled the same sh*t during the debate with Paul Ryan - a guy who should have just out and out called him a buffoon and a liar right on the stage.


22 posted on 02/28/2013 12:16:10 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: neverdem

If we had a working media, this clown would be laughed out of office. Or better yet, never have been elected to any public office.


23 posted on 02/28/2013 12:18:02 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: mirkwood

Lol.


24 posted on 02/28/2013 12:24:52 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: max americana

This guy Biden takes a back-seat to anything uttered by Spiro Agnew....


25 posted on 02/28/2013 12:43:08 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: KTM rider

I don’t mean to be critical or making trouble but what you’re using isn’t accurate. IMO its important to be accurate especially when discussing firearms and self defense.

.223 Remington isn’t Nato, 5.56 is NATA standard round with the main difference being the chamber pressure the rifles can handle. 5.56 NATO ammunition (60k CUP) shouldn’t be used in a rifle chambered for .223 (50k CUP).

Regardless the energy numbers are highly dependent on the ammunition.

The .223 round will have in the neighborhood of 2800 to 3200 fps and 1300 ftlbs at the muuzzle. The 5.56 NATO round will have slightly more, again depending on the specific ammunition being tested. A 12 ga 2 3/4” shell with 00 will have around 1500 ft lbs at 10 yds.

So there isn’t a huge difference in energy between the two calibers at distances encountered in the home. The only real difference is the 12ga fires 8-12 .32 caliber pellets at a time depending on the shell size. Also, since the 5.56/.223 firearm is rifled it has a longer effective range.


26 posted on 02/28/2013 12:48:12 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming”

Speak for yourself, Slow Joe.

Some of us are hell on heels.


27 posted on 02/28/2013 1:06:09 PM PST by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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To: edcoil

In MD, somebody has just to just be over the property line and make me ‘feel threatened’.

:)


28 posted on 02/28/2013 1:07:57 PM PST by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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To: edcoil
In MD, somebody has just to just be over the property line and make me 'feel threatened'. :)
29 posted on 02/28/2013 1:08:37 PM PST by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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To: neverdem
To think that this man is a heartbeat away from the Vice-Presidency.
30 posted on 02/28/2013 1:15:49 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: driftdiver

LOL !!!


31 posted on 02/28/2013 1:18:19 PM PST by KTM rider ( paychecks have been replaced by weekly allowances)
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To: KTM rider
Biden is no dummy

he was educated by the DHS that shotguns are for shooting down ducks and AR's are for shooting down his drones

32 posted on 02/28/2013 1:22:17 PM PST by KTM rider ( paychecks have been replaced by weekly allowances)
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To: neverdem
Sarah Palin is a genius compared to Crazy Uncle Joe.

..but Crazy Uncle Joe is a protected 'Rat.

33 posted on 02/28/2013 1:29:17 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: KTM rider
A drone is just a shiny toy when a corpse is holdin' the joystick.

Just sayin' . .

34 posted on 02/28/2013 1:34:26 PM PST by tomkat
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To: Salamander

“just fire the shotgun through the door.”

And kill you neighbor’s visiting drunken brother, who is at the wrong front door.


35 posted on 02/28/2013 2:32:31 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: neverdem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jafkVM-jnbE
Buy a Shotgun - Joe Biden Lying (about) AR-15


36 posted on 02/28/2013 2:42:58 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance

LOL, but that was being sadistic to those girls by not warning them to expect some serious recoil! If I had to bet, those were magnum loads.


37 posted on 02/28/2013 3:41:55 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I feel really about about LMAO over that.

;D


38 posted on 02/28/2013 4:07:32 PM PST by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I feel really bad about LMAO over that.

;D

[dammit!]


39 posted on 02/28/2013 4:08:06 PM PST by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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To: KTM rider

My theory is that nobody employed in a tyrannical part of the government could ever go home again.


40 posted on 02/28/2013 5:07:42 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: KTM rider

I’ve never heard one obama worshipper say they also like Biden. They know he’s retarded so they don’t want to talk about him. That convinces me that those who worship obama are just as retarded.


41 posted on 02/28/2013 5:07:47 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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To: neverdem

Wayne LaPierre should be all over this. The NRA should make an ad lambasting the irresponsibility and idiocy of Biteme’s so-called advice.


42 posted on 02/28/2013 5:33:03 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye
The NRA should make an ad lambasting the irresponsibility and idiocy of Biteme’s so-called advice.

They have one ready here. It't in the right sidebar.

It's called, "Joe Biden on Women's Self Defense."

"I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.'"

I won't be surprised if we're sick of seeing it in 2016.
43 posted on 03/01/2013 4:45:28 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Thanks, neverdem. I actually have seen that one and forgot about it. It's a debatable point but IMO the advice to "shoot through a door" is even worse than the "two blasts in the air" nonsense.

What I had in mind was an ad with a more serious tone that strongly condemns Biden's recommendations as the dangerous and potentially illegal actions they are. Being pointed about the fact that 0bama chose him to be the lead man for the gun control agenda. I would be happy to suffer an overload of it if they would air it nationally and make sure that most of America saw how stupid and dangerous his advice is.

44 posted on 03/01/2013 5:18:49 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: neverdem; newgeezer
"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire two shots or only one. Well to tell you the truth in all the excitement I've kind of lost track myself. But being this is a double barrel shot gun, the most powerful home defense gun in the world and could blow your head clean off. You've got to ask yourself one question. 'Do I feel lucky?' Well do you punks?"

Dirty Joe.

45 posted on 03/02/2013 6:32:20 AM PST by DungeonMaster (How does God feel about gay marriage?)
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