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The US Is Putting More White People In Prison, And Meth Could Be To Blame
TBI ^ | 2-28-2013 | Erin Fuchs

Posted on 02/28/2013 7:43:39 AM PST by blam

The US Is Putting More White People In Prison, And Meth Could Be To Blame

Erin Fuchs
February 28, 2013

There's been a huge shift in the racial makeup of U.S. prisons in the past decade, The New York Times reports.

The Sentencing Project analyzed prison populations from 2000 to 2009, finding the rates of incarceration for blacks dropped sharply during that period: 30.7 percent for black women and 9.8 percent for men.

The report also found a major spike in incarceration rates for white men and women during the same period, according to The Times. The rate for white women increased 47.1 percent for white women and 8.5 percent for white men.

Rates of incarceration dropped slightly for Hispanic men but jumped 23.3 percent for Hispanic women.

A dramatic shift in a prison population is highly unusual, the Sentencing Project's director Marc Mauer told The Times. From the Times:

"But the trend is clear, Mr. Mauer said, adding that no single factor could explain the shifting figures but that changes in drug laws and sentencing for drug offenses probably played a large role. Other possible contributors included decreasing arrest rates for blacks, the rising number of whites and Hispanics serving mandatory sentences for methamphetamine abuse, and socioeconomic shifts that have disproportionately affected white women."

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: addiction; drugs; meth; prison; warondrugs; whites; wod; wodlist; wosd
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To: AppyPappy
Yes but a Meth manufacturer would be a startup and wouldn’t have the capital of RJR and Lorillard.

Who says an existing company wouldn't get into the market?

61 posted on 02/28/2013 10:03:48 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Buckeye McFrog; dfwgator; wideawake
Third highest per-capita income in the world, with a government that’s like Michael Bloomberg on steroids.

"What do you call a country that takes 35% of salaries to finance a state investment fund run by the prime minister's wife? Where the government controls companies responsible for 60% of gross domestic product and 85% of its citizens live in public housing? And a country with stringent restrictions on the media and public information, limits on freedom of expression and assembly, and courts that help perpetuate the domination of the only ruling party the country has ever known?

"The country described above is Singapore"

- Asia Times, Jan 20, 2011

62 posted on 02/28/2013 10:12:18 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: wideawake

Singapore is clean and people live well enough but there is absolutely no heart and soul to that place. It’s a concrete and glass wasteland with no character. I don’t want to live in a place like that.


63 posted on 02/28/2013 10:16:18 AM PST by rudabaga
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To: blam

Depending on how big they are -— Meth dealers should be hanged or shot (their choice)
Lesser dealers exiled after being indelibly branded


64 posted on 02/28/2013 10:26:04 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: dennisw
Dealers already face a real threat of death from competitors and twitchy customers, but they continue to deal and if killed are quickly replaced.
65 posted on 02/28/2013 10:35:37 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies; Buckeye McFrog; dfwgator
Ah, the objective perspective of Muhammad Cohen.

What do you call a country that takes 35% of salaries to finance a state investment fund run by the prime minister's wife?

Unlike in America, where Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, in Singapore retirement funds deducted from paychecks are invested in a state-administered fund called Temasek Holdings, whose financial records are publicly available.

The CEO of Temasek is Ho Ching.

Ho Ching became CEO of Temasek in 2002, two years before her husband was elected Prime Minister of Singapore.

She has a degree in electrical engineering from Stanford University, was a defense engineer for more than a decade, then went to the private sector and worked her way up to CEO of a technology company.

She is a self-made woman who was not appointed to her job by her husband.

Where the government controls companies responsible for 60% of gross domestic product

The Singaporean government, instead of giving welfare handouts like a Third World country would do, uses tax money to seed investments in companies that gainfully employ Singaporeans and which plow their profits back into the local economy.

and 85% of its citizens live in public housing?

This is simply false. While the real estate companies that finance Singaporean housing have the Singaporean government among their investors, this is not subsidized housing provided by the government. It is housing paid for by its residents.

And a country with stringent restrictions on the media and public information

Its restrictions are common to other British Commonwealth countries, like - famously - Canada and the UK with their "superinjunctions" on "sensitive information."

limits on freedom of expression and assembly

Singapore censors pornography (like America in the 1950s) and it also requires police permits for public demonstrations (like pretty much every city in America). It also enforces criminal libel more strictly than we do in America.

and courts that help perpetuate the domination of the only ruling party the country has ever known?

The PAP has held a majority in the Singapore Parliament for 53 years. The Democrats held a majority of the US Congress for 40 years. The PAP lost 6% of its vote in the past election and Singapore's left-wing minority now holds a 40% position in the Parliament.

Muhammad Cohen (formerly Eliot Cohen) is a long time critic of Singapore, which he sees as anti-Muslim and anti-Indonesian.

He's not a reliable source of unbiased information.

66 posted on 02/28/2013 10:38:45 AM PST by wideawake
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To: rudabaga
Singapore is clean and people live well enough but there is absolutely no heart and soul to that place.

Maybe so, but I don't think it has anything to do with their policies towards drug dealers.

67 posted on 02/28/2013 10:43:43 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: wideawake

Good response on the Singapore government. I can’t help but to prefer the “wild East” of living in Thailand as we did. I don’t, however deny its problems.


68 posted on 02/28/2013 10:45:35 AM PST by JimSEA ( “what difference does it make?”)
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To: rudabaga
Singapore is clean and people live well enough but there is absolutely no heart and soul to that place. It’s a concrete and glass wasteland with no character.

No character?

Few cities outside of New York and London have such varied and high-quality dining options as Singapore.

Because it is a port city that has basically been built from the ground up starting in the 1960s it does not have quaint old buildings, or picturesque temples, or stunning natural vistas, etc.

All its architecture is modern as a result, so it certainly doesn't have the appeal of Bali or old Hong Kong.

But it has its other charms - mostly food and musical performances.

69 posted on 02/28/2013 10:47:44 AM PST by wideawake
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To: blam

surprised no one has commented on “The Sentencing Project analyzed prison populations from 2000 to 2009, finding the rates of incarceration for blacks dropped sharply during that period: 30.7 percent for black women and 9.8 percent for men.”


70 posted on 02/28/2013 10:48:09 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: wideawake; Buckeye McFrog; dfwgator
She is a self-made woman who was not appointed to her job by her husband.

Because the only way for him to get her that job was by direct appointment - indirect influence and favor-currying are nonexistent in Singapore's government.

Look, "Third World sh!thole" was an overstatement - but it's clear to me that Singapore, whatever its positive aspects, is not a place that our Land of the Free should emulate.

71 posted on 02/28/2013 10:48:12 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: wideawake; dfwgator

Thanks, folks, for your accurate rejoinders to “JustSayNoToNannies”.

Singapore works! Wonderful place.


72 posted on 02/28/2013 10:57:32 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: AppyPappy

There is, I repeat NO, comparison to be made between tobacco and meth.


73 posted on 02/28/2013 11:03:46 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Because the only way for him to get her that job was by direct appointment - indirect influence and favor-currying are nonexistent in Singapore's government.

She got the job before he was ever elected Prime Minister.

Temasek is a $90B investment fund.

It is considered the most transparent sovereign wealth fund in the world.

Because of this transparency, she makes considerably less money than she would in other roles that are under less public scrutiny.

If this were about nepotism, her husband could set her up much more profitably if she and he were both corrupt.

She is very smart, and she is very good at what she does.

Insinuating - with zero evidence - that she got her job underhandedly is pretty low.

Look, "Third World sh!thole" was an overstatement - but it's clear to me that Singapore, whatever its positive aspects, is not a place that our Land of the Free should emulate.

We don't need to emulate anyone. We have the world's best Constitution.

74 posted on 02/28/2013 11:06:02 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake; dfwgator

“We don’t need to emulate anyone.”

I’m glad we agree - dfwgator seemed to think otherwise (”do it like Singapore”).

More on Singapore:

“The visit of a government minister to the area last year provoked a cheeky protest, with cartoon cut-outs of a white elephant posted around the closed [light-rail commuter] station greeting his arrival.

“Singapore’s no-nonsense government took the matter seriously. The police launched an investigation to try to identify the culprits and issued a warning to local grassroots leaders.

“The police still had their eye on the troublesome area even after the government decided to open the station. A plan by a group of female high-school students to help raise money for charity by selling white elephant T-shirts at the station’s inauguration ceremony was seen as a potentially subversive act.”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d7d6f9c2-87b8-11da-8762-0000779e2340.html#ixzz2MDqcfCso


75 posted on 02/28/2013 11:11:44 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: BwanaNdege

ping to previous post


76 posted on 02/28/2013 11:12:56 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Gabz

Except that lawyers see $$$$ with both of them.


77 posted on 02/28/2013 11:15:30 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: wideawake
We don't need to emulate anyone. We have the world's best Constitution.

All I said was that if the US was really serious in the Drug War, and trying to stop it, that's what they'd do.....What they do now is ineffective and only serves to enrich the coffers of government without doing anything to solve the problem.

78 posted on 02/28/2013 11:19:34 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: wideawake; JustSayNoToNannies

Sorry, that post was meant for JustSayNo...


79 posted on 02/28/2013 11:20:55 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator; wideawake
We don't need to emulate anyone. We have the world's best Constitution.

All I said was that if the US was really serious in the Drug War, and trying to stop it, that's what they'd do

Do you advocate that the US do what Singapore does - yes or no?

80 posted on 02/28/2013 11:21:54 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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