Skip to comments.Will new fed guidelines force companies to hire more employees with criminal pasts?
Posted on 02/24/2013 6:02:21 PM PST by Red in Blue PA
Employers could be pressured to hire more workers with a criminal background under recent guidelines issued by the federal government. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commissions guidelines warn businesses about rejecting minority applicants who have committed a crime and recommend they eliminate policies that exclude people from employment based on a criminal record. The EEOC says civil rights laws already prohibit different treatment for job applicants who are of a different ethnic background but have identical criminal histories. The update was issued out of concern that employers might disproportionally exclude minorities from getting hired because more African Americans and Hispanics are getting arrested and going to prison, according to the guideline report.
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Ok, that, my FRiend is the clear and unequivocal statement of a died in the wool nanny state liberal.
And FWIW, died in the wool nanny state liberals shouldn't be allowed to pretend to be conservatives on Free Republic.
You will find that the owners of this site are very discriminating. Out yourself as a liberal troll and out you go.
I smell Ozone in the air.
Are there any Viking Kitties in the area?
Well said by the both of you.
If the newbie claimed to be a long time lurker before signing up and posting these clearly lib views either s/he didn’t learn anything from lurking or they’re not being honest.
Liberal troll seems to fit pretty well at this point.
Tell me this before you keep calling me a liberal troll.
Fired because www.freerepublic.com was on your web history.
Fired because company finds out you own guns.
Fired because you are a registered republican.
Fired because you were trained in the military, and they don’t want dangerous people around.
Fired because you had a drink at a bar after work.
Do you becoming angry, or write them a letter telling them how great it is that they preserve Liberty?
I am not a troll, and you did not post the rest of quote.
I came here to learn, and you shun me away. I came here on no ones accord but my own, and am a frequent visitor of the site.
The way it stands is not fair.
All you have to do is look at this ridiculous law forcing employers to hire convicts, to see my point.
Cannot discriminate against gays. But can discriminate against smokers.
I’m just angry because I have been looking for work for a long time, eating macaroni and cheese and top ramen for months, I would have had a job, but NO because I’m a smoker. It didn’t have anything to do with insurance purposes or anything like that. I even told them I would not smoke on the job during breaks or lunches, or come to work smelling like cigarettes. Nope, I still smoke cigarettes. Made me very very angry, and I’m very stressed.
I don’t want pity, I also don’t want to be labelled a Liberal troll, I might vomit.
Look, I don't know why you can't seem to find a job. I don't know how old you are, what your professional qualifications are or why you are currently unemployed. From your postings here you seem to be a very confused person who claims to believe in Liberty and yet who is convinced that someone else's private exercise of Liberty in discriminating against you because you smoke is somehow taking away your liberty to smoke.
No, my FRiend, you are still allowed to smoke in this nanny state and people who don't like it are pretty much at liberty to avoid hanging around you or liking you or thinking that you are a damn fool for continuing in a habit that will someday result in your either dying of cancer or drowning in your own mucous in a hopsice because your lungs are so filled with scar tissue that you can't cough it out.
You came on this thread announcing to the Freepers that you didn't think an employer has the right to discriminate against anyone. Those were your words. You seem to have backtracked from those words which means to me that you have a tendency to speak or type before you engage your brain. My guess is that this is probably the reason why you haven't been able to get employment. Either that or you are not qualified for the position for which you are applying. Probably both.
I gave you a word of advice early on. I suggested that you write the company that didn't hire you and tell them you understand their reluctance to hire someone who smoked and to thank then for having standards and that if you ever were able to stop smoking that you would consider it an honor to work for them.
You ignored my advice and suggested that maybe you would sue the employer. I advised you that that would be the worst career move of your life. I don't see that you have taken that advice.
You might want to go back in your own employment history and see whether or not there is some stain on your record that you managed to get posted somewhere. Perhaps you filed a labor lawsuit against a prior employer before. Perhaps you filed an injury claim for some bogus injury, hired an attorney and cost one of your employers an arm and a leg more than they ever paid you. These lawsuits are public records and any prospective employer can look them up and then come up with some other reason not to hire you.
My advice is to stop complaining about the people that won't hire you and come up with some really good reasons why someone in the position to hire you should hire you. If they suspect that you are going to be trouble, they are not going to hire you. If they think they can make a lot of money by putting you on the payroll, then you would already have a job by now.
Stop looking for laws that will force an employer to hire you. Start looking for solid economic reasons why an employer will profit from hiring you and if you can convince them of that, they will overlook the little flaws such as your compulsion to kill yourself or waste time and money injesting polluted air.
Sorry, that should be up to the employer looking for new hires whether it matters, not the government.
No I have never been injured on the job or filed a lawsuit. There were many other things that they could have stopped the interview at. But they chose the smoking......this is what I don’t understand.
No I’m not going to SUE anyone.
“Why should ex-criminals, EVEN petty criminals be denied employment after their time is served. I dont know if you know this or not but a LOT of people that get out of jail want to do better with themselves, once they find out they cant. They go back to crime to survive.
I would gladly hire an ex con to guard my home, or take care of my child, or safeguard my companies finances. Theyve paid their debt to society. Maybe they made one mistake. It shouldnt haunt them for the rest of their lives.”
It’s also MY choice; I WON’T hire that person.
You probably are in favor of taking my power to choose away from me, but, so far, it’s still a free country!
Yes, your son or daughter will NOT get the job because they've been honest and law biding. Some lowlife - maybe the guy who raped the child down the street - will get the job instead. It's the Chicago Way....
You're watching the birth of a perverse incentive - one from hell...It'll damage everyone. Wait and see.
Yes, your son or daughter will NOT get the job because they've been honest and law biding. Some lowlife - maybe the guy who raped the child down the street - will get the job.Is that thrilling?
Aren't you happy you're NOT a democrat? I sure am.
If you want to be a fool that’s your choice - but for God’s sake don’t involve your child. I pray you don’t have children and that you were just using the idea as part of your argument... Oh, and that ‘oh so nice’ prince from Nigeria who needs a small amount of cash... he’s probably scamming you.
Sounds like the interview didn't go that well.
Before your next interview, write down a half dozen reasons why you would be an asset to the company you are applying for. The company you are interviewing for is looking for the person that can make them the most money and cost them the least money. If you have a unique skill set, then make sure you emphasize that. If you have a good reputation in the industry, then make sure you drop names of those that the company may know about who will vouch for your reputation.
Get prepared. Find out everything you can about the company and what they do and who you know that works there. Then figure out what individual assets that you have that you can bring to that company.
Trust me, if the company thinks you can make them money, they will overlook all the little foibles in your life. If they don't think you can make them money, then they will look for any reason they can to end the interview.
It is all about making money. Once you realize that fact, and the interviewer knows you understand that fact and are willing to do what it takes to achieve that end, then getting hired is not all that difficult of a proposition.
No Im not going to SUE anyone.
You don't know how many people I've seen in my business who have destroyed their own chances for career advancement in their professions by suing their employers.
A word to the wise. If you are going to continue to post on Free Republic, make sure your posts are consistent with the principles of limited government, original intent, Natural rights, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, i.e., having a government that will just leave people the hell alone.
Your first posts here were not consistent with those principles. FWIW, you are not alone. There are a lot of conservatives who become liberals when their own ox is gored. But even Jefferson was a bit of a hypocrite when it came to the defense of individual liberty. That didn't mean the principles he espoused were any less valid. It just meant that he was an occasional hypocrite. We all have that tendency, and when our ox is gored, we all have the tendency to react with the phrase "there ought to be a law." Well, as you discovered when you were discriminated against because you smoke, when you say that, then there probably already is a law.
IMO there ought to be a lot less laws. And I am a lawyer. My ox is fed when they pass new laws. Every law they pass is a full employment bill for lawyers. The more laws they pass the more money I make. But that doesn't mean I favor any new laws. We have enough. We have too many.
Good advice, and also a good thing to give young (?) conservatives a chance to figure out what exactly it is that they believe.
So, FreedomStar, there is such a thing as too much government. Conservatives favor limited government that is limited to those actions that governments tend to do better. Protecting life/liberty/pursuit of happiness: Defense, foreign and domestic, social and economic, and adjudication. I add transportation and highways to that list, but some don't, but I have no problem with individuals owning toll roads/bridges. It's just too big and expensive a project even for a corporation, anymore.
Conservatism also supports retaining the positive values that have been revealed to humanity over the eons by Nature's God.
It seems anymore that as soon as discussion of God enters the conversation that many modern conservatives become humanist libertarians.
Thank you for the advice. I’ve had awhile to cool down, and you’re both right. I am young, and generally frustrated about the state of the world and everything. I’m just irritated that when I try I don’t get anywhere.
I just want to work and support myself and loved ones. That’s it.
That, my FRiend, is an awesome place to start.
My advice would be to get an entry level job in anything remotely related to your field, and then make your value known by your work. IOW, outwork everyone else. Good luck to you.
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